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When the good do bad things.

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Sky
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Jordan812 Posts
March 27 2011 00:16 GMT
#1
The Milgram Experiment


Over half a century ago, the world was witness to one of the most powerful and brutal army ever seen. It started with a young German named Hitler, and ended with the extermination of 11 million Jewish, Roman, polish, and physically/socially abnormal people were exterminated. The areas in which a lot of the murders were perpetrated were known as concentration camps.

The common idea could have been that the German people who acted as guard and executioner in those camps were monsters, with no remorse for their actions. Yet a man by the name of Stanley Milgram sought to understand the context in which, possibly, good people can do bad things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2PGnHHnRMk&feature=related


In 1962, Stanley Milgram designed a study which included forty participants, one researcher, and one actor. The idea proposed to the participants was to understand the effect of negative reinforcement on performance (memory). One participant was able to meet another (actor) waiting for the experimenter to explain the study to them. The choice of placement for either of the participants was learner or teacher. In a faux choosing process, the actor was given placement as the learner. The result was to be hooked up to an device that would receive electric shocks, should the learner get answer wrong.

The teacher (the participants that were actually being studied) was given the task of administering electric shocks of increasing strength to the learner for every wrong answer. At a certain point the learner (actor) states his discomfort and his reluctance to finish the test. Further on he exclaims that he wants out of the test immediately, complaining of his heart condition. If the teacher shocks further, the learner no longer responds. Throughout the entirety of the study, the researcher (who sits in the room with the teacher) insists that the experiment continue on.

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The experimenter (E) orders the teacher (T), the subject of the experiment, to give what the latter believes are painful electric shocks to a learner (L), who is actually an actor and confederate. The subject believes that for each wrong answer, the learner was receiving actual electric shocks, though in reality there were no such punishments. Being separated from the subject, the confederate set up a tape recorder integrated with the electro-shock generator, which played pre-recorded sounds for each shock level.

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Source of pic and comment is either this, or a wiki contributor (not sure).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzYAdGl_0mA&feature=related


The question asked is how long the teachers would continue shocking even with the known distress of the learner. The answer, at least for this specific variation of the study, is a ~65% of the teachers. 26 out of 40 people, a majority, would do deliberate harm to a person knowing that person's distress if commanded by someone with perceived power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSiMM_GIiyA&feature=related


So in special situations, people can do bad things. While there may have been people involved in those prison camps that did enjoy committing harsh acts to other humans, there may have been far more that simply did so because of fear or diffusion of responsibility.

Note: Milgram was very thorough and as a result there are many variations of which were studied and are touched upon in the third video.

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Link to the article abstract.
Obedience to authority.


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BBC: The experiment done in 2009.




...jumping into cold water whenever I get the chance.
AyeH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States534 Posts
March 27 2011 00:26 GMT
#2
this is interesting. i read this in one of my psychology classes.
Is it in you?
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
March 27 2011 00:28 GMT
#3
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susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
March 27 2011 00:30 GMT
#4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbardo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

This experiment is also relevant, and also frightening.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 01:08:27
March 27 2011 00:32 GMT
#5
Just finished watching the first video, found it very interesting, on to the second ^^.

I'm watching the second series of the experiment, I was wondering if distinction was made between female and male participants? I would think that females would be more likely to stop upon the angst of the "learner".

OR they could be more "weak-willed" so to say, aggh idk.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45440 Posts
March 27 2011 00:38 GMT
#6
The main point, of course, is that the people did the bad things because of the social desirability/ expectation to conform under the authority figures. Their morality often took a backseat when clashing with orders given by people who were *clearly* experts (or in charge), and would assume all responsibility for any harm done to the victims.
However, these people with compromised moralities were laymen, and it showed that it could be the case that just about anyone could fall victim to the "just following orders" social trap, if it was portrayed in a convincing enough manner... like in a science experiment (or the Nazi regime).

But yeah, social experiments like these are often very telling about the population, and certainly interesting to see in action! My minor was in psychology, so I was fortunate enough to see videos about these things and study them

tl;dr: You think you're strong-willed, but you're really not
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
StarSense
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
206 Posts
March 27 2011 02:18 GMT
#7
I have a strong aversion to those who appear or claim to be in a position of authority, so I don't think I'd be willing to continue if pressed.
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
March 27 2011 04:41 GMT
#8
People are not inherently good, you never have to teach a child to be bad they seem to do those things on their own. You have to teach a child good behavior. Human nature at its core is very dark
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