• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:53
CEST 16:53
KST 23:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters0Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)65Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!18Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" [D] Wireframe Casting Removed
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL22 General Discussion Animated Gateway NaDa's Body BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Role of Gaming on Mental Hea…
TrAiDoS
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 15829 users

Starcraft 2 n00b ep 19 - Early Expanding as Terran

Blogs > KingOctavious
Post a Reply
KingOctavious
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
March 25 2011 14:15 GMT
#1
I'm back!

Apologies for the very long delay. My comp, as you know if you read my last post, went down and took about two weeks to fix. After that, the heat sink fell off my sound card, and I didn't get around to ordering glue for it until about a week afterward, so while I have been back playing SC2 for about a week and a half now, I haven't had sound and haven't been able to record sound on Fraps.

Until now.

For this episode of SC2n, I wanted to do something related to the new ladder maps, and it just so happens that I had a textbook loss on Tal’Darim Altar. I rolled Terran against Protoss, and with the long rush distance, I knew I was probably safe from any super early push play. So, I built a command center at 14 supply (probably should have stuck with 13) and went from there.

I got the expansion up fine (though it did get scouted), and though I was naturally choked for resources for the short time afterward, things started to pick up economy-wise. I set up a bunker or two, got some siege tanks set up at that natural choke … and then didn’t really know what to do. I continued to pump out units, but something just didn’t feel right.

As my minerals begin to skyrocket, I tried harder and harder to get units out quickly, but it wasn’t going smoothly. I should have realized at that point (well, actually I should have realized it beforehand as a matter of logic) what I didn’t realize until after the match was over: When you expand early, you have to build extra production facilities to keep up with the economic boost you’re going to have later on. I’m used to expanding early only as Zerg, in which case expanding early inherently gives you the ability to boost production (with more larvae), so this was an unusual case for me. I kind of got stuck in “For now, I’m behind economically, so I only need a handful of barracks and one factory until I catch up”-mode, so even after my economy picked up and, I assume, surpassed that of my opponent, I couldn’t keep up with production. In the meantime, the other guy had been building units and teching the whole time.

Ironically, because of this, my opponent actually ended up taking his second expansion before I did. Why was he able to do this? Because I was stuck in my base trying to catch up with unit production while I left him free to do whatever he felt like. A medivac drop or two while I massed my army (with added production facilities) would have kept him confined to his bases a little more tightly, but, again, I was so far behind on unit production that I didn’t feel confident that I had enough units to leave my base.

Check out the replay with commentary (now with better video and sound quality — standalone mic and 1080p, woohoo!):



1. When fast expanding as Terran, you have to build plenty of extra production facilities in order to take advantage of your mid-game economic lead.

2. Also when fast expanding as Terran, you probably need to be dropping on the opponent’s mineral line(s) from time to time, or else they’re just free to expand all over the place.

3. A small point but worth noting: For the few scenarios in which it is appropriate to fast expand as Terran, build the command center on 13 supply, not 14. It takes so long to get up to 400 minerals already, that 14th SCV just delays the expansion a tad too much.

Check out my book, The Year in StarCraft II: 2011, http://yearinsc2.com/ :D:D
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
March 25 2011 14:35 GMT
#2
Decent overall, though your last two points in the post are simply inaccurate. With an early expand, to make the most use of it, you want to go for a really strong two base timing push. also, 15cc > 13cc.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
KingOctavious
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
March 25 2011 14:40 GMT
#3
On March 25 2011 23:35 Pokebunny wrote:
Decent overall, though your last two points in the post are simply inaccurate. With an early expand, to make the most use of it, you want to go for a really strong two base timing push. also, 15cc > 13cc.


So for Terran early expand, are you saying the timing should be based on the point that army unit count has surpassed your opponent's?

Also, why is 15 cc better than 13? It takes so long to get to 400, and barracks are fairly cheap afterward.
Check out my book, The Year in StarCraft II: 2011, http://yearinsc2.com/ :D:D
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Weekly
11:00
WardiTV Mondays #96
WardiTV1491
IntoTheiNu 903
OGKoka 536
Rex149
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 536
Ryung 350
SHIN 238
Rex 149
RushiSC 39
ProTech31
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 6256
Bisu 2647
Shuttle 1877
Soulkey 717
EffOrt 674
Mini 595
BeSt 487
Soma 403
firebathero 336
Light 290
[ Show more ]
ZerO 281
Stork 232
Larva 230
Snow 158
actioN 150
Rush 133
Hyun 117
Dewaltoss 104
Pusan 95
ggaemo 78
Sea.KH 61
soO 45
ToSsGirL 44
Free 44
scan(afreeca) 40
JYJ 37
Sexy 32
JulyZerg 31
910 28
Terrorterran 26
Hm[arnc] 21
yabsab 21
HiyA 20
Aegong 19
Sacsri 19
Noble 13
Bale 10
Yoon 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dota 2
qojqva2961
syndereN331
canceldota60
League of Legends
Trikslyr4
Counter-Strike
x6flipin156
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor130
Other Games
singsing2972
B2W.Neo964
Lowko439
crisheroes316
Liquid`VortiX229
Hui .181
KnowMe126
ToD80
QueenE27
ZerO(Twitch)19
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2263
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 531
Other Games
BasetradeTV272
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 8
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile119
• Adnapsc2 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 17
• HerbMon 6
• Michael_bg 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3725
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
1h 7m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 9h
The PondCast
1d 19h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 20h
OSC
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Clem vs ByuN
Serral vs SHIN
[ Show More ]
Online Event
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Solar
Rogue vs Lambo
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.