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A lot of players have made the jump from BW over to SC2. I'm doing the exact reverse.
Why? Well, I'm not very good at SC2, and I figured maybe switching to a game that is harder might make me a better player of both games in the long term.
Because think about it....the ancient graphics...the noob-unfriendly UI, the way that units travel in lines and have terrible surround...all of this (and probably more) would be an excellent learning experience. It seems like so much more is demanded of the player in BW.
Methinks this'll be a great way to improve my mechanics.
I haven't played the game since 5th grade. First goal: beat the AI.
Here goes!
  
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good luck!
I'd personally start off with some ums (micro tourney, tma), but that's your choice.
hope you stick around with bw ^^
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A hiatus to BW will do you alot of good, check out iccup, spend time learning the game.. working on your apm etc... if you plan on returning to sc2, you wil have an advantage over others... bw will teach you somethings.. but honestly.. play sc2 as well dont wanna loose your game sense etc.. they are different games and the races play different
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Its great that you are picking up BW, but i feel you are doing it for the wrong reason. If you want to improve mechanics for sc2, then play more sc2 (practice makes perfect). BW will be hard at first, but once you get the basics, you will experience a whole new level of awesomeness.
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Check out iccup.
You'll find us in this channel:
op teamliquid
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On March 18 2011 14:10 Musiq wrote:
Its great that you are picking up BW, but i feel you are doing it for the wrong reason. If you want to improve mechanics for sc2, then play more sc2 (practice makes perfect). BW will be hard at first, but once you get the basics, you will experience a whole new level of awesomeness.
Ah, well another huge reason for why I decided to try BW is because one of my friends at school keeps telling me how awesome BW is in comparison to SC2, haha
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yea going from BW to sc2 was weird because of all the shortcuts.
can i get an amen if anyone remembers splitting probes? 1a2a3a? 5sh6sh7sh?
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In someways the BW graphics are better than SC2 graphics. Nothing more satisfying than seeing a goon explode into blue goo after it dies.
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Trust me, once you've actually played a decent amount of broodwar, you might never want to go back to SC2 again, unless you want to troll people with your BW-enhanced mechanics.
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GL hf... SC:BW will be harder.... than SC2
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Welcome to the fold. Play a few games, rage about how reavers/defilers/200/200 M&M are too hard to use, watch Stork/Jaedong/Flash, get your mind blown, become a fan for life.
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Hehe if you thought sc2 was hard...boy are you in for a rough ride with BW. By far the hardest game in the world to get good at...I think it even beats very high level chess. This is why I do not play it lol.
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hahaha, gl
ironic, using BW as traing for SC2
Honestly, I think it would be more productive if you just constantly ladder with SC2 and use apm management/micro management maps
BW will be much harder because you have 11 years worth of practice to catch up while SC2 is just 1 year of practice to catch up
gl
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On March 18 2011 14:15 DanceCommander wrote:
yea going from BW to sc2 was weird because of all the shortcuts.
can i get an amen if anyone remembers splitting probes? 1a2a3a? 5sh6sh7sh?
AMEN
0p9p0p9p09p09p0p9p0p
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do you know that in BW you have to tell your harvesters to harvest?
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On March 18 2011 14:01 punchabird wrote:
Because think about it....the ancient graphics...the noob-unfriendly UI, the way that units travel in lines and have terrible surround...all of this (and probably more) would be an excellent learning experience. It seems like so much more is demanded of the player in BW.
Oh man, you're going to love goon AI!
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On March 18 2011 14:10 Musiq wrote:
Its great that you are picking up BW, but i feel you are doing it for the wrong reason. If you want to improve mechanics for sc2, then play more sc2 (practice makes perfect). BW will be hard at first, but once you get the basics, you will experience a whole new level of awesomeness.
ssssshhhhhh <whispers> let him try, if he's one of us, he'll never go back
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Gl hf! BW is always something fun to play with. Its ageless. You will have a difficult journey in front of you, but im sure with enough effort you will do well
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On March 18 2011 14:10 Musiq wrote:
Its great that you are picking up BW, but i feel you are doing it for the wrong reason. If you want to improve mechanics for sc2, then play more sc2 (practice makes perfect). BW will be hard at first, but once you get the basics, you will experience a whole new level of awesomeness.
sometimes the difference is refreshing
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you just made the best decision in your life.
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Speaking of unit AI, wait 'til you see the Zergling conga line, or Dragoon-minefield soup, or dud scarabs lol
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Good luck with this
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It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.
Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.
Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds.
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Good luck! You're going to be in for a shock whether you expect it or not!
The 12 (?) unit control group, no MBS, no automine, worker splitting, dragoon/lurker/goliath AI, imba storms/dark swarm/lurkers, mineral sliding bug, weird-ass wall-off technicalities and fixed unit spawning might possibly just seem a little overwhelming at first
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On March 18 2011 15:27 TryThis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 14:15 DanceCommander wrote:
yea going from BW to sc2 was weird because of all the shortcuts.
can i get an amen if anyone remembers splitting probes? 1a2a3a? 5sh6sh7sh? AMEN 0p9p0p9p09p09p0p9p0p
oh yes :D
good luck bro, you're gonna need it. bw is like man vs. machine, you gotta fight not only the opponent, but tame the retarded unit ai as well, and you're gonna learn a lot working on the skills to do that
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On March 18 2011 18:11 anatem wrote:good luck bro, you're gonna need it. bw is like man vs. machine, you gotta fight not only the opponent, but tame the retarded unit ai as well, and you're gonna learn a lot working on the skills to do that
On the other hand, it's so rewarding when you do tame them. In SC2, you celebrate when you win. In BW, you celebrate when your dragoon goes where you tell it to.
<3 dragoons
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Play BW because its an awesome game rather than just for practice. I am sure you'll love it!
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Dragoons are my favorite unit, I never understood why they get so much hate
Have fun OP!
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lol Good choice
Remember that Firebat rush I was going to do?
I tried to do it today.
I got owned by 1hatch lurker. 
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On March 18 2011 22:02 Zergneedsfood wrote:I got owned by 1hatch lurker.
You and Ret both.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/?only_vods=on&no_spoiler=on&action=Update
i've found the TLPD vod archive is insanely useful for learning BW (especially compared to trying to muddle through liquipedia or forum posts) since you can sort everything. for example, i can look at all Light and Flash games vZ on fighting spirit if i'm trying to learn that matchup and map, and likewise for other matchups and proleague maps.
it's a convenience that doesn't really exist in sc2.
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Give it a month and i guarantee you wont come back to sc2, i know i couldnt even touch sc2 again after a month of BW.
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Man why does everyone hate goons. I find them fun to micro. Move, hold, move, hold...
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On March 18 2011 17:19 byFd wrote:
you just made the best decision in your life.
or worst depending on you look at it LOL
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Have fun :D You can call the graphics of BW ancient, but in my eyes they look better than 3D does right now.
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Yey, nice to hear. Good luck and more important have fun ;P
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On March 18 2011 17:50 DTK-m2 wrote:
It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.
Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.
Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds.
They didn't. It's there and you can assign even more than three screens.
Good luck, definitely try protoss first, it's the easiest to get used to 1a2a3a.
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On March 19 2011 00:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
Man why does everyone hate goons. I find them fun to micro. Move, hold, move, hold...
Yeah goon micro is fun and pretty intuitive. Playing on a map like Blue Storm is still pretty rough though. Dragoons hate Blue Storm
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On March 18 2011 22:02 Zergneedsfood wrote:lol Good choice Remember that Firebat rush I was going to do? I tried to do it today. I got owned by 1hatch lurker.
Aw man.....but it's the bacon build!
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On March 19 2011 00:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
Man why does everyone hate goons. I find them fun to micro. Move, hold, move, hold...
Just to make sure, you're masochistic or insane right?
Dunno, they sure like to wander off into random mines or freeze.
I don't even play Protoss and I complain about it, XD
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great game, but your logic makes no sense. If your goal is to get better at sc2... play more sc2.
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playing BW will make you a better BW player, not a better SC2 player..
Just because BW is harder doesn't mean they're not vastly different... You'll learn how to do manual surrounds, but the AI does it for you in SC2 so all your effort will be wasted there, etc.
Its a great game though, enjoy... Just your thought process is completely off.
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On March 19 2011 00:47 quirinus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 17:50 DTK-m2 wrote:
It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.
Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.
Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds. They didn't. It's there and you can assign even more than three screens. Good luck, definitely try protoss first, it's the easiest to get used to 1a2a3a.
Oh, really? I guess it's just not on Shift+Fkey anymore. Just curious, what's the hotkey for it?
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On March 19 2011 00:59 Aquafresh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 00:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
Man why does everyone hate goons. I find them fun to micro. Move, hold, move, hold... Yeah goon micro is fun and pretty intuitive. Playing on a map like Blue Storm is still pretty rough though. Dragoons hate Blue Storm
Oh God, don't remind me..
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On March 19 2011 09:09 DTK-m2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 00:47 quirinus wrote:On March 18 2011 17:50 DTK-m2 wrote:
It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.
Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.
Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds. They didn't. It's there and you can assign even more than three screens. Good luck, definitely try protoss first, it's the easiest to get used to 1a2a3a. Oh, really? I guess it's just not on Shift+Fkey anymore. Just curious, what's the hotkey for it?
SC2 camera save defaults to Shift+F9-12. I'm pretty sure it was implemented in a post-release patch that dealt with custom hotkeys so technically there was a period where it could've been considered "removed" from SC2.
If the OP's goal is to defeat the AI, every race is the easiest.
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On March 19 2011 09:36 EchOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 09:09 DTK-m2 wrote:On March 19 2011 00:47 quirinus wrote:On March 18 2011 17:50 DTK-m2 wrote:
It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.
Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.
Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds. They didn't. It's there and you can assign even more than three screens. Good luck, definitely try protoss first, it's the easiest to get used to 1a2a3a. Oh, really? I guess it's just not on Shift+Fkey anymore. Just curious, what's the hotkey for it? SC2 camera save defaults to Shift+F9-12. I'm pretty sure it was implemented in a post-release patch that dealt with custom hotkeys so technically there was a period where it could've been considered "removed" from SC2. If the OP's goal is to defeat the AI, every race is the easiest.
Lol, just worker harass and juke the retarded AI
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if your reasoning is to get better at SC2, playing BW will do it, but not as well or as quickly as playing SC2 will do.
If you just want to get better at a good game, however, go for BW.
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BW is a damn fun game, but chances are your not going to be able to get good at it if sc2 plat is where your capping out right now.
put more effort into your play, tyr hard to play faster, go through your keys more often, check energy more, just be more proactive, force yourself ot play good and it will become natural over time.
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Lol, once you have become decent at bw, sc2 will just be boring.
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