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punchabird
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States32 Posts
March 18 2011 05:01 GMT
#1
A lot of players have made the jump from BW over to SC2. I'm doing the exact reverse.

Why? Well, I'm not very good at SC2, and I figured maybe switching to a game that is harder might make me a better player of both games in the long term.

Because think about it....the ancient graphics...the noob-unfriendly UI, the way that units travel in lines and have terrible surround...all of this (and probably more) would be an excellent learning experience. It seems like so much more is demanded of the player in BW.

Methinks this'll be a great way to improve my mechanics.

I haven't played the game since 5th grade. First goal: beat the AI.

Here goes!

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Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
March 18 2011 05:03 GMT
#2
good luck!
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Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
March 18 2011 05:05 GMT
#3
good luck!

I'd personally start off with some ums (micro tourney, tma), but that's your choice.

hope you stick around with bw ^^
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
March 18 2011 05:05 GMT
#4
Best of luck to you!
. . . nevermore
GriMeR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States148 Posts
March 18 2011 05:10 GMT
#5
A hiatus to BW will do you alot of good, check out iccup, spend time learning the game.. working on your apm etc... if you plan on returning to sc2, you wil have an advantage over others... bw will teach you somethings.. but honestly.. play sc2 as well dont wanna loose your game sense etc.. they are different games and the races play different
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TurboDreams
Profile Joined April 2009
United States427 Posts
March 18 2011 05:10 GMT
#6
Its great that you are picking up BW, but i feel you are doing it for the wrong reason. If you want to improve mechanics for sc2, then play more sc2 (practice makes perfect). BW will be hard at first, but once you get the basics, you will experience a whole new level of awesomeness.
Music is the medicine of the mind || Kill a Zergling and a hundred more will take its place.
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3454 Posts
March 18 2011 05:11 GMT
#7
Check out iccup.
You'll find us in this channel:
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punchabird
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States32 Posts
March 18 2011 05:12 GMT
#8
On March 18 2011 14:10 Musiq wrote:
Its great that you are picking up BW, but i feel you are doing it for the wrong reason. If you want to improve mechanics for sc2, then play more sc2 (practice makes perfect). BW will be hard at first, but once you get the basics, you will experience a whole new level of awesomeness.


Ah, well another huge reason for why I decided to try BW is because one of my friends at school keeps telling me how awesome BW is in comparison to SC2, haha
"Yes, you do have a soul. And it tastes like butterscotch pudding."
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
March 18 2011 05:15 GMT
#9
yea going from BW to sc2 was weird because of all the shortcuts.

can i get an amen if anyone remembers splitting probes? 1a2a3a? 5sh6sh7sh?
Reuental
Profile Joined July 2009
United States457 Posts
March 18 2011 05:19 GMT
#10
In someways the BW graphics are better than SC2 graphics. Nothing more satisfying than seeing a goon explode into blue goo after it dies.
I'm a Crab made of men.
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
March 18 2011 05:23 GMT
#11
Trust me, once you've actually played a decent amount of broodwar, you might never want to go back to SC2 again, unless you want to troll people with your BW-enhanced mechanics.

Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
By.Fantasy
Profile Joined February 2011
Thailand123 Posts
March 18 2011 05:44 GMT
#12
GL hf... SC:BW will be harder.... than SC2
My english is not very good.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
March 18 2011 05:46 GMT
#13
Welcome to the fold. Play a few games, rage about how reavers/defilers/200/200 M&M are too hard to use, watch Stork/Jaedong/Flash, get your mind blown, become a fan for life.
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Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
March 18 2011 05:53 GMT
#14
Hehe if you thought sc2 was hard...boy are you in for a rough ride with BW. By far the hardest game in the world to get good at...I think it even beats very high level chess. This is why I do not play it lol.
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
March 18 2011 06:20 GMT
#15
hahaha, gl

ironic, using BW as traing for SC2

Honestly, I think it would be more productive if you just constantly ladder with SC2 and use apm management/micro management maps

BW will be much harder because you have 11 years worth of practice to catch up while SC2 is just 1 year of practice to catch up

gl
A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
March 18 2011 06:27 GMT
#16
On March 18 2011 14:15 DanceCommander wrote:
yea going from BW to sc2 was weird because of all the shortcuts.

can i get an amen if anyone remembers splitting probes? 1a2a3a? 5sh6sh7sh?


AMEN
0p9p0p9p09p09p0p9p0p
Dwell
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
March 18 2011 06:50 GMT
#17
do you know that in BW you have to tell your harvesters to harvest?
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 06:58:40
March 18 2011 06:58 GMT
#18
On March 18 2011 14:01 punchabird wrote:
Because think about it....the ancient graphics...the noob-unfriendly UI, the way that units travel in lines and have terrible surround...all of this (and probably more) would be an excellent learning experience. It seems like so much more is demanded of the player in BW.


Oh man, you're going to love goon AI!
Voidsoul
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany154 Posts
March 18 2011 07:05 GMT
#19
On March 18 2011 14:10 Musiq wrote:
Its great that you are picking up BW, but i feel you are doing it for the wrong reason. If you want to improve mechanics for sc2, then play more sc2 (practice makes perfect). BW will be hard at first, but once you get the basics, you will experience a whole new level of awesomeness.


ssssshhhhhh <whispers> let him try, if he's one of us, he'll never go back
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
March 18 2011 07:20 GMT
#20
Gl hf! BW is always something fun to play with. Its ageless. You will have a difficult journey in front of you, but im sure with enough effort you will do well
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 18 2011 07:21 GMT
#21
On March 18 2011 14:10 Musiq wrote:
Its great that you are picking up BW, but i feel you are doing it for the wrong reason. If you want to improve mechanics for sc2, then play more sc2 (practice makes perfect). BW will be hard at first, but once you get the basics, you will experience a whole new level of awesomeness.

sometimes the difference is refreshing
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byFd
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany620 Posts
March 18 2011 08:19 GMT
#22
you just made the best decision in your life.
(>°_°)>
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
March 18 2011 08:23 GMT
#23
Speaking of unit AI, wait 'til you see the Zergling conga line, or Dragoon-minefield soup, or dud scarabs lol
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 18 2011 08:25 GMT
#24
Good luck with this
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YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
March 18 2011 08:50 GMT
#25
It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.

Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.

Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds.
안지호
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
March 18 2011 09:11 GMT
#26
Good luck! You're going to be in for a shock whether you expect it or not!

The 12 (?) unit control group, no MBS, no automine, worker splitting, dragoon/lurker/goliath AI, imba storms/dark swarm/lurkers, mineral sliding bug, weird-ass wall-off technicalities and fixed unit spawning might possibly just seem a little overwhelming at first
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anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 09:12:52
March 18 2011 09:11 GMT
#27
On March 18 2011 15:27 TryThis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 14:15 DanceCommander wrote:
yea going from BW to sc2 was weird because of all the shortcuts.

can i get an amen if anyone remembers splitting probes? 1a2a3a? 5sh6sh7sh?


AMEN
0p9p0p9p09p09p0p9p0p


oh yes :D

good luck bro, you're gonna need it. bw is like man vs. machine, you gotta fight not only the opponent, but tame the retarded unit ai as well, and you're gonna learn a lot working on the skills to do that
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
March 18 2011 11:32 GMT
#28
On March 18 2011 18:11 anatem wrote:
good luck bro, you're gonna need it. bw is like man vs. machine, you gotta fight not only the opponent, but tame the retarded unit ai as well, and you're gonna learn a lot working on the skills to do that


On the other hand, it's so rewarding when you do tame them. In SC2, you celebrate when you win. In BW, you celebrate when your dragoon goes where you tell it to.

<3 dragoons
IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
March 18 2011 11:40 GMT
#29
Play BW because its an awesome game rather than just for practice. I am sure you'll love it!
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9499 Posts
March 18 2011 12:46 GMT
#30
Dragoons are my favorite unit, I never understood why they get so much hate

Have fun OP!
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 13:02:19
March 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#31
lol Good choice

Remember that Firebat rush I was going to do?

I tried to do it today.

I got owned by 1hatch lurker.
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Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
March 18 2011 13:04 GMT
#32
On March 18 2011 22:02 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I got owned by 1hatch lurker.


You and Ret both.
qdenser
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada133 Posts
March 18 2011 13:17 GMT
#33
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/?only_vods=on&no_spoiler=on&action=Update

i've found the TLPD vod archive is insanely useful for learning BW (especially compared to trying to muddle through liquipedia or forum posts) since you can sort everything. for example, i can look at all Light and Flash games vZ on fighting spirit if i'm trying to learn that matchup and map, and likewise for other matchups and proleague maps.

it's a convenience that doesn't really exist in sc2.
BW is still out there and a lots of people still watch it. SC2 is a different game and different people. Please go back to BW if you think sc2 is not suited for you - Dustin Browder
Lumire
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States607 Posts
March 18 2011 14:21 GMT
#34
Give it a month and i guarantee you wont come back to sc2, i know i couldnt even touch sc2 again after a month of BW.
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 18 2011 15:07 GMT
#35
Man why does everyone hate goons. I find them fun to micro. Move, hold, move, hold...
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 18 2011 15:08 GMT
#36
On March 18 2011 17:19 byFd wrote:
you just made the best decision in your life.


or worst depending on you look at it LOL
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 18 2011 15:13 GMT
#37
Have fun :D You can call the graphics of BW ancient, but in my eyes they look better than 3D does right now.
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GeckoVOD
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Germany814 Posts
March 18 2011 15:37 GMT
#38
Yey, nice to hear. Good luck and more important have fun ;P
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quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
March 18 2011 15:47 GMT
#39
On March 18 2011 17:50 DTK-m2 wrote:
It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.

Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.

Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds.


They didn't. It's there and you can assign even more than three screens.

Good luck, definitely try protoss first, it's the easiest to get used to 1a2a3a.
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Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
March 18 2011 15:59 GMT
#40
On March 19 2011 00:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
Man why does everyone hate goons. I find them fun to micro. Move, hold, move, hold...


Yeah goon micro is fun and pretty intuitive. Playing on a map like Blue Storm is still pretty rough though. Dragoons hate Blue Storm
punchabird
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States32 Posts
March 18 2011 16:02 GMT
#41
On March 18 2011 22:02 Zergneedsfood wrote:
lol Good choice

Remember that Firebat rush I was going to do?

I tried to do it today.

I got owned by 1hatch lurker.


Aw man.....but it's the bacon build!
"Yes, you do have a soul. And it tastes like butterscotch pudding."
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
March 18 2011 17:42 GMT
#42
On March 19 2011 00:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
Man why does everyone hate goons. I find them fun to micro. Move, hold, move, hold...


Just to make sure, you're masochistic or insane right?
Dunno, they sure like to wander off into random mines or freeze.
I don't even play Protoss and I complain about it, XD
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32051 Posts
March 18 2011 19:55 GMT
#43
great game, but your logic makes no sense. If your goal is to get better at sc2... play more sc2.
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mesohawny
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 21:51:35
March 18 2011 21:50 GMT
#44
playing BW will make you a better BW player, not a better SC2 player..

Just because BW is harder doesn't mean they're not vastly different... You'll learn how to do manual surrounds, but the AI does it for you in SC2 so all your effort will be wasted there, etc.

Its a great game though, enjoy... Just your thought process is completely off.
love you long time
YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
March 19 2011 00:09 GMT
#45
On March 19 2011 00:47 quirinus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 17:50 DTK-m2 wrote:
It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.

Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.

Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds.


They didn't. It's there and you can assign even more than three screens.

Good luck, definitely try protoss first, it's the easiest to get used to 1a2a3a.


Oh, really? I guess it's just not on Shift+Fkey anymore. Just curious, what's the hotkey for it?
안지호
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
March 19 2011 00:33 GMT
#46
On March 19 2011 00:59 Aquafresh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 00:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
Man why does everyone hate goons. I find them fun to micro. Move, hold, move, hold...


Yeah goon micro is fun and pretty intuitive. Playing on a map like Blue Storm is still pretty rough though. Dragoons hate Blue Storm

Oh God, don't remind me..
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
March 19 2011 00:36 GMT
#47
On March 19 2011 09:09 DTK-m2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 00:47 quirinus wrote:
On March 18 2011 17:50 DTK-m2 wrote:
It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.

Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.

Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds.


They didn't. It's there and you can assign even more than three screens.

Good luck, definitely try protoss first, it's the easiest to get used to 1a2a3a.


Oh, really? I guess it's just not on Shift+Fkey anymore. Just curious, what's the hotkey for it?

SC2 camera save defaults to Shift+F9-12. I'm pretty sure it was implemented in a post-release patch that dealt with custom hotkeys so technically there was a period where it could've been considered "removed" from SC2.

If the OP's goal is to defeat the AI, every race is the easiest.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
March 19 2011 00:48 GMT
#48
On March 19 2011 09:36 EchOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 09:09 DTK-m2 wrote:
On March 19 2011 00:47 quirinus wrote:
On March 18 2011 17:50 DTK-m2 wrote:
It's definitely an excellent way to improve your mechanics. Your mouse accuracy will increase ridiculously, as will your finger speed on your left hand.

Also, take full advantage of location hotkeys. Go anywhere, and shit Shift + F(2 or 3 or 4 here). Then, even if you move your screen away, by hitting the respective F key, you can instantly jump back to that screen. Whatever units you have selected will remain selected. It doesn't change anything but where your screen focus is. I don't know why they got rid of it in SC2. It's a ridiculously useful feature.

Keep your main mineral line binded to F2, your natural binded to F3, and your third binded to F4. Then, if any one of those bases is getting harassed, you hit F2, select 12 workers, F3 right click on a patch, F2, select the rest of the workers, F3, right click on a patch. You can transfer all your workers between bases in less than two seconds.


They didn't. It's there and you can assign even more than three screens.

Good luck, definitely try protoss first, it's the easiest to get used to 1a2a3a.


Oh, really? I guess it's just not on Shift+Fkey anymore. Just curious, what's the hotkey for it?

SC2 camera save defaults to Shift+F9-12. I'm pretty sure it was implemented in a post-release patch that dealt with custom hotkeys so technically there was a period where it could've been considered "removed" from SC2.

If the OP's goal is to defeat the AI, every race is the easiest.

Lol, just worker harass and juke the retarded AI
Betrayed by EG.BuK
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
March 19 2011 01:03 GMT
#49
if your reasoning is to get better at SC2, playing BW will do it, but not as well or as quickly as playing SC2 will do.

If you just want to get better at a good game, however, go for BW.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 19 2011 01:13 GMT
#50
dont try to smart cast
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Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
March 19 2011 02:51 GMT
#51
BW is a damn fun game, but chances are your not going to be able to get good at it if sc2 plat is where your capping out right now.

put more effort into your play, tyr hard to play faster, go through your keys more often, check energy more, just be more proactive, force yourself ot play good and it will become natural over time.
exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
March 20 2011 10:07 GMT
#52
Lol, once you have become decent at bw, sc2 will just be boring.
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