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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
ahahahahaahahahahaha I wonder what fancy bullshit GOM's gonna pull to explain this one. | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On March 29 2011 13:43 Lucumo wrote: On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: P.S. Some of you were confused about the time. The channel was found broadcasting a GSL match at 05:45 AM EST on March 9th, 2011 (UTC of Livestream, which is located in NY, USA) which translates into 7:45 PM KST on March 9th, 2011 (before daylight savings). Code A Semifinals match was being broadcasted at the time. SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact. I don't know about GSL because I don't watch it but according to the LR thread, the matches ended at about 7:06 PM KST. So...I guess they show the replays like 40 minutes later? But that doesn't even matter. The map on the screenshot is Scrap Station, but that can't be, because... On March 09 2011 14:58 skrzmark wrote: Set 1:  Alicia < Crossfire SE >  SuperNoVaSet 2: Alicia < Shakuras Plateau > SuperNoVaSet 3: Alicia < Xel'Naga Caverns > SuperNoVa...they didn't play on that map. And it doesn't help, that the screenshot is conveniently right from after the start of the match. Meh, started my post right before you wrote your one :/ Oh wow... I didn't even know this. Game, point, match, set. Server to GomTV now. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: Hello guys. This is Sam from Gretech/GOM TV. Just to clear things up, I will explain how the livestream takedown tool works. A screenshot of what the channel is broadcasting at the time when a takedown is issued is automatically taken by the system. And the list of the takedowns are saved. A poor word choice by us perhaps but the 'screenshot' given to the user is from that list. We believe this 'proof' is something that will hold its ground at the court trials. With that being said, I personally do not know who the user is and many of us do not. Do not take this the wrong way but we do not have so much free time on our hands or hold personal grudges to go after a specific user. We have simply seen our content being broadcasted illegally and issued a take down of the channel. Nothing more, nothing less. Please note that we only request for takedowns of our 'own content', not BW contents created by other companies. Livestream suggests that if you have a definite proof to show that you have been wrongly accused, to contact them with a notice under proper DMCA counter notice guideline. You could contact them personally to obtain a better 'proof' from them if you wish. We will be glad to be proved that we have wrongly accused of you illegally restreaming our GSL, StarCraft 2 content. We will not be responding to this thread anymore and like we have suggested in the e-mail if you have problems, we recommend contacting our legal team and Livestream. P.S. Some of you were confused about the time. The channel was found broadcasting a GSL match at 05:45 AM EST on March 9th, 2011 (UTC of Livestream, which is located in NY, USA) which translates into 7:45 PM KST on March 9th, 2011 (before daylight savings). Code A Semifinals match was being broadcasted at the time. SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact. Why are you posting wrong information and calling it proof and threatening legal action. I find this very confusing. So glad BW is still going strong | ||
Milkis
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
my roommate is trying to sleep you guys! >: 3 i've never found much use for this smily but this  is definitely me atm | ||
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Binky1842
United States2599 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
a) How do you expect me to prove I didn't stream something? That's virtually impossible. You make say that evidences holds in court, but I could care less because it doesn't change the fact that people can clearly see it proves nothing, and I have no reason to go to court internationally for something ridiculous like this, especially since I've already changed stream providers. b) The time you said the restream was change. It was 9:45pm PST (or PDT or something) before. Now it's 2:45am PST/PDT? I work every morning at 8am, there's no way I was even awake during that time. Now you can say that just means it was another producer on my channel and not me, but that doesn't change anything. I'll even prove I work 8am every weekday fulltime: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=169891 <- second paragraph. no chance in hell I was even awake at that time. c) I don't follow SC2 so I'm glad it was posted, but there was no game on scrap station apparently ahaha, and the proof was posted. You want me to prove I didn't do it anyways? There you go. This has gotten good. I would have been completely content not escalating this and leaving this as a standard blog, but I guess that couldn't happen. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
also On March 28 2011 23:41 floor exercise wrote: May I present to the jury exhibit B ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NBFCA.png) Incontrovertible proof that Grobyc infringed on the rights of one Gretech Corp. more convincing than the gom pic | ||
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
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nanashin
United States1584 Posts
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: we do not have so much free time on our hands What GOM does not have free time on their hands for: -Doing something as basic as creating clear, clean graphics for something as important as a finals match -Fact checking your summations -Having their English speakers un-Engrish their music video information. Seminars on time management, imo. | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On March 29 2011 14:25 nanashin wrote: What GOM does not have free time on their hands for: -Doing something as basic as creating clear, clean graphics for something as important as a finals match -Fact checking your summations -Having their English speakers un-Engrish their music video information. Seminars on time management, imo. How to efficiently use time to dominate and exercise control over an internet media in Starcraft streams?? | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On March 29 2011 14:25 nanashin wrote: What GOM does not have free time on their hands for: -Doing something as basic as creating clear, clean graphics for something as important as a finals match -Fact checking your summations -Having their English speakers un-Engrish their music video information. Seminars on time management, imo. korean-engrish tradition of game companies. who would dare break it? when trying to make teamliquid believe something... you better damn well make it bulletproof | ||
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Oozo
Finland432 Posts
 Or sufficient proof. Sad sad sad PR. | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
I like to see any of those posters earlier in the pages who supported GomTV and/or criticized Grobyc to come out and comment on this latest development. I'm curious of their thoughts and comments. | ||
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TealLurker
United States791 Posts
Let me get this straight...rather than conducting due diligence, they threw up a random screenshot of an illegal restream, claim it as irrefutable proof, and run away back to the shadows. That picture no longer holds up in court anyway with the list of matches played that night. All this incident tells me is that they simply take us as fools. | ||
pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
From what I see: Livestream's copyright crawler picks up grobyc's channel and reports it to GomTV. GomTV looks at the screenshot and verifies there is a GomTV logo and checks the time to see that it is a plausible time for a restream to be happening. GomTV clicks a yes box on the report like the many other reports it probably has to deal with. GomTV saves a copy of the report for bookkeeping. Issues: - If GomTV's screenshot is straight from Livestream and thats all Livestream gives them to work with, then its pretty fair to file the claim. Once another SCBW site used banners remarkably similar to ones that I made for TL except with a giant white box over where I wrote TL and I figured it was good enough evidence of theft. - Discolouration: If you want to prove something, you should check another GomTV vod to see if that has discoloration around the watermark too. Maybe even try compressing it too - Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
edit: actually you need access to vods to do that which is a nontrivial requirement | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote: This really shouldn't be such a big deal. From what I see: Livestream's copyright crawler picks up grobyc's channel and reports it to GomTV. GomTV looks at the screenshot and verifies there is a GomTV logo and checks the time to see that it is a plausible time for a restream to be happening. GomTV clicks a yes box on the report like the many other reports it probably has to deal with. GomTV saves a copy of the report for bookkeeping. Issues: - If GomTV's screenshot is straight from Livestream and thats all Livestream gives them to work with, then its pretty fair to file the claim. Once another SCBW site used banners remarkably similar to ones that I made for TL except with a giant white box over where I wrote TL and I figured it was good enough evidence of theft. - Discolouration: If you want to prove something, you should check another GomTV vod to see if that has discoloration around the watermark too. Maybe even try compressing it too - Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc. I agree and disagree with this. Yes from their GomTV standpoint, it was legit and reasonable to what they did to some extent. They obviously didn't clarify much into details for us, the community, to see so many flaws (which is a huge huge mistake for GomTV and PR disaster too) out in open to pull. And I know they stated they don't have "too much free time" in their hands yet they had enough to care to do this and even post several posts in this thread, not one, two but enough to use their free time resource on this. But really, is it not common sense to know what is favorable and justice/injustice in terms of public eye and the community vs their own strict policy causing them more harm than good? If that's the stance they want to take, then fine, but don't say we didn't told you so when things get worse because they were too ignorant of their demise. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote: This really shouldn't be such a big deal. From what I see: Livestream's copyright crawler picks up grobyc's channel and reports it to GomTV. GomTV looks at the screenshot and verifies there is a GomTV logo and checks the time to see that it is a plausible time for a restream to be happening. GomTV clicks a yes box on the report like the many other reports it probably has to deal with. GomTV saves a copy of the report for bookkeeping. Issues: - If GomTV's screenshot is straight from Livestream and thats all Livestream gives them to work with, then its pretty fair to file the claim. Once another SCBW site used banners remarkably similar to ones that I made for TL except with a giant white box over where I wrote TL and I figured it was good enough evidence of theft. - Discolouration: If you want to prove something, you should check another GomTV vod to see if that has discoloration around the watermark too. Maybe even try compressing it too - Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc. GOM clearly said they took a screenshot of the restream; they weren't given anything from livestream to show me (http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=199701¤tpage=6#110) Regardless of whether there is or is not a discolouration, the picture they posted proves nothing. It doesn't prove that it's a screenshot from my livestream, and it's not even of high enough quality to capture a livestream logo that appears on the stream if it existed either. Even if both of those were corrected, it is still completely nullified by the fact that the said game was not even played. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4209 Posts
On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote: - Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc. On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote: Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific. At first we thought no games were played that night but now that they specified... well yea | ||
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