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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 19:33:20
March 28 2011 19:32 GMT
#261
On March 29 2011 04:24 Inori wrote:
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On March 29 2011 04:20 Hesmyrr wrote:
Honestly if I was banned from my stream due to content I never have been shown, I'd be complaining with best of my abilities as well- and why not? It is my right. It is simple-minded to summarize Grobyc's actions as mere vendetta.

I remember when cable company once sent me a bill significantly higher than what I usually payed; I called them up and fought with them over half an hour, whoopedoo turns out they were wrong. I'd guess some people would just try to stay 'impartial' to their misfortunes and submissively take the unjust penalty without complaint or something.

Would you also go fight with the company and try to get public attention to the issue, knowing that there were 10 people living in your house without even taking the time to ask if it was their fault?

Meh, I guess not though I think the timing of the event justifiably makes it much more politicized than my example. Also note that I was able to resolve my concerns quickly, contrary to this situation which is pity because it would be nice for all this uncertainty to be concluded once and for all. How long it takes for the communication between Grobyc and GOM to progress is pretty disappointing.

A.K.A. I mean, by act of calling itself I "fought". Since my concern was addressed quickly, there was no longer need for more.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
March 28 2011 19:37 GMT
#262
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 19:58:15
March 28 2011 19:56 GMT
#263
On March 29 2011 03:46 Inori wrote:
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On March 29 2011 03:38 Myles wrote:
On March 29 2011 03:37 prototype. wrote:
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.

Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.


Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.

Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?

I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.


Fuck you, man ! Andy Dufresne got a lifetime sentence despite the fact the police had nothing on him. Now you come here and preach whats common sense and you are calling out the BW community ? Speaking of common sense that SS cannot be serious, I'm really terrible at photoshop and I could do better than that. And how is that thread not going anywhere? No matter what happened GOM are just failing to defend themselves or to justify their actions. If they made a mistake its ok to admit it, with a SS like that they are making themselves look utterly incompetent. Not that I care much about what you have to say but I got fucking annoyed from you trying to steer the thread.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 19:59:57
March 28 2011 19:59 GMT
#264
And I thought we might get a few days peace (whether with insightful response from GOM or equally enlightening update of "lol GOM keep ignoring me")

Edit: Hmm I actually should be following what I wrote on my sig long time ago, bah.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 20:07:28
March 28 2011 20:03 GMT
#265
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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 20:06:22
March 28 2011 20:04 GMT
#266
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
March 28 2011 20:08 GMT
#267
On March 29 2011 05:03 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 04:56 disciple wrote:
On March 29 2011 03:46 Inori wrote:
On March 29 2011 03:38 Myles wrote:
On March 29 2011 03:37 prototype. wrote:
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.

Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.


Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.

Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?

I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.


Fuck you, man ! Andy Dufresne got a lifetime sentence despite the fact the police had nothing on him. Now you come here and preach whats common sense and you are calling out the BW community ? Speaking of common sense that SS cannot be serious, I'm really terrible at photoshop and I could do better than that. And how is that thread not going anywhere? No matter what happened GOM are just failing to defend themselves or to justify their actions. If they made a mistake its ok to admit it, with a SS like that they are making themselves look utterly incompetent. Not that I care much about what you have to say but I got fucking annoyed from you trying to steer the thread.

You don't even understand what the SS is showing. Do you not see that it is a screenshot of either GOM or livestreams list of banned streams? If you actually don't think Gom could've actually photoshopped a picture together to look like his livestream site i dont know what to say... Sometimes the BW community really makes me facepalm, thank god the SC2 one hasn't set the bar that high.

And he is right, this thread is going nowhere. It's gonna be a clash of opinions in this thread in the end anyway. One side claiming logic is on their side and that Gom probably is right and maybe one of grobycs mods did it. Then the other side saying Gom made a mistake and instead of admitting it they try to cover it up.

Unless livestream admins have some magic stored up to save the day all we have is opinions, a screenshot, and not a single way to prove any side right or wrong. Especially since screenshots are photoshoppable.

The only thing i'd even bother to complain about is how long it took for the response, but w/e.


dude I can photoshop you shaking hands with Nelson Mandela inside that picture and it will look like it really happened. SS is the most ridiculous way to prove something like that. I dont think you even bothered reading my post but whatever
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
March 28 2011 20:09 GMT
#268
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote:
When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.

At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream
streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right
and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.

We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.

If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.

P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.

Thank you.
GOMtv.net


This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.

5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.

FURTHERMORE:
From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.

RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
March 28 2011 20:09 GMT
#269
COuld be a vod..but I stand with cyborg on this one..
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 20:12:14
March 28 2011 20:09 GMT
#270
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Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
March 28 2011 20:15 GMT
#271
On March 29 2011 05:09 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:09 Snipinpanda wrote:
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote:
When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.

At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream
streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right
and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.

We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.

If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.

P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.

Thank you.
GOMtv.net


This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.

5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.

FURTHERMORE:
From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.

RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
VoDs. It being non-live is actually what makes me think GOM was right. Could easily be someone with access to the account watching with some friends by restreaming.


In any case, that's a very, very weak screenshot. Outside of the logo, there is no other indication that it is a GSL or GSTL game.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
March 28 2011 20:16 GMT
#272
On March 29 2011 05:09 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:09 Snipinpanda wrote:
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote:
When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.

At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream
streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right
and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.

We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.

If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.

P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.

Thank you.
GOMtv.net


This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.

5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.

FURTHERMORE:
From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.

RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
VoDs. It being non-live is actually what makes me think GOM was right. Could easily be someone with access to the account watching with some friends by restreaming.

And GOM just so happens to stumble onto the stream? I find it odd that no one on TL ever witnessed grobyc's livestream account streaming GSL yet GOM was able to.
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
March 28 2011 20:18 GMT
#273
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prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 20:25:55
March 28 2011 20:22 GMT
#274
On March 29 2011 05:18 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:16 prototype. wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:09 zeru wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:09 Snipinpanda wrote:
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote:
When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.

At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream
streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right
and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.

We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.

If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.

P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.

Thank you.
GOMtv.net


This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.

5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.

FURTHERMORE:
From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.

RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
VoDs. It being non-live is actually what makes me think GOM was right. Could easily be someone with access to the account watching with some friends by restreaming.

And GOM just so happens to stumble onto the stream? I find it odd that no one on TL ever witnessed grobyc's livestream account streaming GSL yet GOM was able to.

Eh, anyone can report restreams, hell even i have reported several restreams myself.

Who would report it? The small group of friends, you used as an example, that were watching the VOD together?
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
March 28 2011 20:25 GMT
#275
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Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
March 28 2011 20:26 GMT
#276
Actually come to think of it, I recall grobyc's stream as one of the lower quality streams. As in, even BW looked kinda crappy when he streamed it. Supposing that GOMtv's logo is there to begin with and he did restream it, why would the difference in pixelation be so different anyways?

Well, correct me if I'm wrong.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
March 28 2011 20:29 GMT
#277
On March 29 2011 05:25 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:22 prototype. wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:18 zeru wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:16 prototype. wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:09 zeru wrote:
On March 29 2011 05:09 Snipinpanda wrote:
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote:
When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.

At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream
streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right
and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.

We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.

If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.

P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.

Thank you.
GOMtv.net


This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.

5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.

FURTHERMORE:
From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.

RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
VoDs. It being non-live is actually what makes me think GOM was right. Could easily be someone with access to the account watching with some friends by restreaming.

And GOM just so happens to stumble onto the stream? I find it odd that no one on TL ever witnessed grobyc's livestream account streaming GSL yet GOM was able to.

Eh, anyone can report restreams, hell even i have reported several restreams myself.

Who would report it? The small group of friends, you used as an example, that were watching the VOD together?

No idea, but if you "follow" a stream it notifies you when it goes online.

I guess that makes sense... but these specific situations are still very unlikely.
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 20:51:04
March 28 2011 20:30 GMT
#278
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 20:42:31
March 28 2011 20:40 GMT
#279
Also don't gsl vods always have the standard overlay with player names etc. on there? Why doesn't the screenshot provided have it?
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
March 28 2011 20:47 GMT
#280
On March 29 2011 05:40 Megaliskuu wrote:
Also don't gsl vods always have the standard overlay with player names etc. on there? Why doesn't the screenshot provided have it?

Wow is that true?
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
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