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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 12:55:16
March 29 2011 12:53 GMT
#341
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
March 29 2011 13:04 GMT
#342
To each his own.
I'm just glad it doesn't seem like they deliberately targeted BW streams as some people were preaching. Sloppy mistake from poor research but the ban seemed to really be for GOM SC2 content, not BW.
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 29 2011 13:14 GMT
#343
Grobyc, can you remember what you had on your autoplay? The stuff that streams when you are offline. Its possible thats where it came from and is causing all the fuss.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 14:43:31
March 29 2011 13:57 GMT
#344
I'm 100% positive I didn't even have autoplay on, and I had deleted anything SC2 from the time that I did have autoplay enabled still (probably like back in january). I had some BW VODs on demand, but that was it.

I did stream some GSL only in the first season, not the second as well, BEFORE they requested that the restreams stop. Once they did that I never touched it again. I only streamed the first couple days of season 1 until they gave the public warning. There's no chance that small streaming period is the result of this. I didn't even tune in to GSL long enough to watch the season one quarterfinals.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
March 29 2011 15:05 GMT
#345
Yeah well its great that i can see GOM for what they really are, incompetent fools. These guys were given rights to SC2 AND BW? Fuck me if they ACTUALLY ran BW the scene would die within a year without blizzard even trying to kill it. I guess that's why they gave them the rights in the first place =P
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
March 29 2011 16:28 GMT
#346
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote:
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.

never again =(
posting on liquid sites in current year
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 29 2011 16:42 GMT
#347
On March 30 2011 01:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote:
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.

never again =(

On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.

Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription...
I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.

And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.

Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
March 29 2011 17:05 GMT
#348
On March 30 2011 01:42 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 01:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote:
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.

never again =(

On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.

Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription...
I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.

And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.

Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.

Stream quality itself is okay.

However, the content puts me to sleep.
ppp
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
March 29 2011 17:53 GMT
#349
On March 30 2011 02:05 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 01:42 eviltomahawk wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote:
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.

never again =(

On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.

Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription...
I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.

And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.

Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.

Stream quality itself is okay.

However, the content puts me to sleep.

You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
March 29 2011 20:08 GMT
#350
On March 30 2011 02:53 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 02:05 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:42 eviltomahawk wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote:
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.

never again =(

On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.

Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription...
I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.

And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.

Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.

Stream quality itself is okay.

However, the content puts me to sleep.

You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.



I don't know how much the game quality has improved as people are learning the game, but the game itself just doesn't really interest me. I watched every single game in the first GSL season and a few in the second, and there was ONE single game that held my interest entirely. And I don't even really remember all the details anymore; just know that it was with TLO, and I'm pretty sure it was a TvT with some sick nukes from TLO.

I haven't really followed any of the leagues since then, but I've checked out the occasional game when I had nothing else to do, of if someone really recommended it... and even those highly recommended games bore me to death. For me, the game just doesn't hold the awe factor that BW has; even if Jaedong, Flash, etc were to transfer over to the game, I still probably wouldn't enjoy it.
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 29 2011 21:32 GMT
#351
On March 30 2011 05:08 So no fek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 02:53 Cedstick wrote:
On March 30 2011 02:05 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:42 eviltomahawk wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote:
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.

never again =(

On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.

Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription...
I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.

And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.

Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.

Stream quality itself is okay.

However, the content puts me to sleep.

You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.



I don't know how much the game quality has improved as people are learning the game, but the game itself just doesn't really interest me. I watched every single game in the first GSL season and a few in the second, and there was ONE single game that held my interest entirely. And I don't even really remember all the details anymore; just know that it was with TLO, and I'm pretty sure it was a TvT with some sick nukes from TLO.

I haven't really followed any of the leagues since then, but I've checked out the occasional game when I had nothing else to do, of if someone really recommended it... and even those highly recommended games bore me to death. For me, the game just doesn't hold the awe factor that BW has; even if Jaedong, Flash, etc were to transfer over to the game, I still probably wouldn't enjoy it.

Fair enough. It's mostly a matter of taste, really. I enjoy both SC2 and BW, though I can understand the reasons why some people do not like one or the other.

Nevertheless, the level of play has improved tremendously since GSL1, and it is continuing to improve and is also starting to gravitate towards more BW-esque play, especially with the introduction of newer, larger maps. If you ever get curious about the SC2 scene from time to time, then it's safe to say that the pool of entertaining matches is growing in size and quality.

And even if the entertaining SC2 games don't interest you, at least the wonders of Tastosis should continue to provide tons of humor. The Tastosis highlight vids on Youtube are pure comedy gold, though they don't necessarily include every hilarious joke they make during the casts.

Seriously, Tastosis can make any game seem entertaining, even Warcraft 3.
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So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
March 30 2011 00:08 GMT
#352
On March 30 2011 06:32 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 05:08 So no fek wrote:
On March 30 2011 02:53 Cedstick wrote:
On March 30 2011 02:05 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:42 eviltomahawk wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote:
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.

never again =(

On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.

Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription...
I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.

And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.

Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.

Stream quality itself is okay.

However, the content puts me to sleep.

You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.



I don't know how much the game quality has improved as people are learning the game, but the game itself just doesn't really interest me. I watched every single game in the first GSL season and a few in the second, and there was ONE single game that held my interest entirely. And I don't even really remember all the details anymore; just know that it was with TLO, and I'm pretty sure it was a TvT with some sick nukes from TLO.

I haven't really followed any of the leagues since then, but I've checked out the occasional game when I had nothing else to do, of if someone really recommended it... and even those highly recommended games bore me to death. For me, the game just doesn't hold the awe factor that BW has; even if Jaedong, Flash, etc were to transfer over to the game, I still probably wouldn't enjoy it.

Fair enough. It's mostly a matter of taste, really. I enjoy both SC2 and BW, though I can understand the reasons why some people do not like one or the other.

Nevertheless, the level of play has improved tremendously since GSL1, and it is continuing to improve and is also starting to gravitate towards more BW-esque play, especially with the introduction of newer, larger maps. If you ever get curious about the SC2 scene from time to time, then it's safe to say that the pool of entertaining matches is growing in size and quality.

And even if the entertaining SC2 games don't interest you, at least the wonders of Tastosis should continue to provide tons of humor. The Tastosis highlight vids on Youtube are pure comedy gold, though they don't necessarily include every hilarious joke they make during the casts.

Seriously, Tastosis can make any game seem entertaining, even Warcraft 3.


Yeah, I imagine the games will get more entertaining as they go along.

And as far as Tastosis goes... >_>

I liked the first couple seasons of GOM, but the last BW season was starting to get on my nerves as far as casting went, with the frequent plugging. From what I've heard (though I haven't experienced it first hand) the games have even more corporate plugging (didn't so much mind the Handsome nerd plugs, but I don't think I'd feel the same.. but like I said, I haven't experienced it myself, so I don't know how bad it is.) I still respect the work they've put into the scene over the years, and I liked their casting at one point, but I'd probably take Day9/Chill 100% of the time.
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
March 30 2011 00:38 GMT
#353
On March 30 2011 01:42 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 01:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote:
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.

never again =(

On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.

Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription...
I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.

And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.

Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.


Subscription or no, watching games live is 12908371098273928347928374x fun than watching VoDs, regardless of what game (SC2/BW) ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
March 30 2011 13:28 GMT
#354
On March 30 2011 02:53 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 02:05 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:42 eviltomahawk wrote:
On March 30 2011 01:28 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote:
well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.

never again =(

On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.

Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription...
I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.

And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.

Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.

Stream quality itself is okay.

However, the content puts me to sleep.

You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.

Team league barely kept me awake.

I slept through July's Ro4, then went to play some BW.
ppp
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 15:46:34
March 30 2011 15:44 GMT
#355
That screenshot looks horribly photoshopped really, no evidence whatsoever. Not paying a dime for any GSL or GTSL vods with this kind of horrible support and blatant fabrication(I can get them free anyway if I really want to). on the one hand they GomTV ''support'' E-sports by making the GSL on the other hand they destroy it, its really annoying.

Ow yeah Billeh, I applaud you for finding that, lol GomTv is just randomly pulling images out of their....magic hat it seems.

As for SC2

Maps improve. a step in the good direction, but nevertheless the distinct lack of micro is still offputting. I personally watch SC2 halfheartedly, if its on I might watch it, if not I wont bother. I don't get up at odd korean times to watch SC2, but I do to watch BW At first I actually thought some of the GTSL games were good, but then I started thinking about it and it was really like..... its not really impressive(not to me anyway).

Its just not my cup of tea I suppose.
WriterXiao8~~
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
April 09 2011 12:01 GMT
#356
Morrow appeared in the stream of the final today. GOM gonna close the stream now :O
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
April 09 2011 15:09 GMT
#357
On April 09 2011 21:01 Arnstein wrote:
Morrow appeared in the stream of the final today. GOM gonna close the stream now :O


gom has no rights anymore.:D
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 09 2011 15:44 GMT
#358
They don't have rights to SC:BW, they still have rights to SC2.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
April 09 2011 16:00 GMT
#359
On March 09 2011 16:42 Grobyc wrote:
Yeah I'll probably make a justin.tv account. The only thing bugging me about justin.tv is that we aren't supposed to be allowed to play our own music while streaming o.O . I guess it's not that bad since I usually just game with my own music anyway, but I'll be damned if the account gets locked from the rare time I do ~_~

thats for producers. they dont seem to enforce that on regular streamers, just the people getting $$ from advertising.
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