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On March 29 2011 15:00 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote:
- Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc. Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote:
Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific. At first we thought no games were played but now that they specified... well yea
Good catch. Now the flaws thickens more. The longer they wait out, the louder this will get unless they try to clam the wave.... Will GomTV really sit quietly and do nothing now as they stated unless shown proof (which we, the community have done in relatively short time) or will they admit their mistakes of PR, words, etc or even worse... they will continue to deny until the court tells them no?
Stay tune to find out the conclusion of this big arc!
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imo the most likely outcome is we never hear from them again and none of this matters in the slightest because if you are aware of this event and have lost respect for gom you probably weren't watching gsl in the first place
that doesn't make it less hilarious though
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I like how they keep posting things that dont match up. The time of the SC changes. Now it's suddenly the code A finals which is not played on scrapstation. They should have just not responded or responed properly. The fault might even be at livestream. We don't know. And will most likely never find out.
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Well, I assume that someone at GOM is punching themselves in the face right now for screwing up the livestream ban, thus prompting the rest of the company to cover for his mistake by distributing some obviously fishy evidence and explanations instead of openly admitting their mistake.
It just seems like one huge misunderstanding. GOM screwed up the ban, then dug themselves an increasingly deep hole by not admitting their mistake. Quite a few of them are probably facepalming over this massive PR fuck-up, so I'm not surprised that they are panicking a bit and releasing some rather contradictory information.
Nevertheless, I don't see any signs of an anti-BW movement from GOM... yet. I don't think this is anything to worry about until another BW streamer gets hit. Until then, I wish Grobyc the best of luck on setting up a justin.tv account.
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On March 29 2011 15:30 eviltomahawk wrote:
Well, I assume that someone at GOM is punching themselves in the face right now for screwing up the livestream ban, thus prompting the rest of the company to cover for his mistake by distributing some obviously fishy evidence and explanations instead of openly admitting their mistake.
It just seems like one huge misunderstanding. GOM screwed up the ban, then dug themselves an increasingly deep hole by not admitting their mistake. Quite a few of them are probably facepalming over this massive PR fuck-up, so I'm not surprised that they are panicking a bit and releasing some rather contradictory information.
Nevertheless, I don't see any signs of an anti-BW movement from GOM... yet. I don't think this is anything to worry about until another BW streamer gets hit. Until then, I wish Grobyc the best of luck on setting up a justin.tv account.
your phrasing there gives me the funniest mental images
like kolll is streaming and then suddenly BAM, driveby banning, and we're all like NOOOOOOOOO
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On March 29 2011 15:33 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 15:30 eviltomahawk wrote:
Well, I assume that someone at GOM is punching themselves in the face right now for screwing up the livestream ban, thus prompting the rest of the company to cover for his mistake by distributing some obviously fishy evidence and explanations instead of openly admitting their mistake.
It just seems like one huge misunderstanding. GOM screwed up the ban, then dug themselves an increasingly deep hole by not admitting their mistake. Quite a few of them are probably facepalming over this massive PR fuck-up, so I'm not surprised that they are panicking a bit and releasing some rather contradictory information.
Nevertheless, I don't see any signs of an anti-BW movement from GOM... yet. I don't think this is anything to worry about until another BW streamer gets hit. Until then, I wish Grobyc the best of luck on setting up a justin.tv account. your phrasing there gives me the funniest mental images like kolll is streaming and then suddenly BAM, driveby banning, and we're all like NOOOOOOOOO
I think they might as well start investing some "GG Buttons" if you know what I mean. ^_^
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On March 29 2011 15:33 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 15:30 eviltomahawk wrote:
Well, I assume that someone at GOM is punching themselves in the face right now for screwing up the livestream ban, thus prompting the rest of the company to cover for his mistake by distributing some obviously fishy evidence and explanations instead of openly admitting their mistake.
It just seems like one huge misunderstanding. GOM screwed up the ban, then dug themselves an increasingly deep hole by not admitting their mistake. Quite a few of them are probably facepalming over this massive PR fuck-up, so I'm not surprised that they are panicking a bit and releasing some rather contradictory information.
Nevertheless, I don't see any signs of an anti-BW movement from GOM... yet. I don't think this is anything to worry about until another BW streamer gets hit. Until then, I wish Grobyc the best of luck on setting up a justin.tv account. your phrasing there gives me the funniest mental images like kolll is streaming and then suddenly BAM, driveby banning, and we're all like NOOOOOOOOO
I was thinking more along the lines of the GOMtv assassination squad quietly sniping and taking out BW streamers during the darkness of night, assuming that they are going for some kind of sneaky BW purge, which I currently doubt. Kinda hard to extrapolate a trend from just one event.
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And I was just starting to think that GOM had stopped acting like an organization run by five year olds...
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On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 02:57 prototype. wrote:On March 29 2011 02:42 zeru wrote:On March 29 2011 02:20 Marradron wrote:On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote:
Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell. If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them. Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say. I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up. I probably follow BW more religiously than a lot of people in here, but it sounds so ridiculous what people are trying here.What is more likely: 1. One of the administrators of his stream shows GSL game, by mistake, whatever reason. 2. A huge company messes up, that company is known for often admitting where they have errors or say they can do things differently. But in this case, instead of admitting that they made 1 little error when shutting down restreams when they could easily just say they made an error and are sorry and know people would be perfectly fine with that, decide to photoshop a screenshot to not look foolish. The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Follows Broodwar so religiously that 0/377 of your posts are about broodwar.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=zeru&gb=date
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horrible PR handling by GOM... they can't even provide a simple decent screenshot.
i'm sure this thread will come back to haunt gom in years to come.
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asdasd edit wrong everything
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On March 29 2011 15:00 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote:
- Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc. Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote:
Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific. At first we thought no games were played that night but now that they specified... well yea
Don't forget that they specified it even more:
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote:
SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
On March 29 2011 16:30 zerglingsfolife wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:On March 29 2011 02:57 prototype. wrote:On March 29 2011 02:42 zeru wrote:On March 29 2011 02:20 Marradron wrote:On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote:
Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell. If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them. Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say. I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up. I probably follow BW more religiously than a lot of people in here, but it sounds so ridiculous what people are trying here.What is more likely: 1. One of the administrators of his stream shows GSL game, by mistake, whatever reason. 2. A huge company messes up, that company is known for often admitting where they have errors or say they can do things differently. But in this case, instead of admitting that they made 1 little error when shutting down restreams when they could easily just say they made an error and are sorry and know people would be perfectly fine with that, decide to photoshop a screenshot to not look foolish. The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all. Follows Broodwar so religiously that 0/377 of your posts are about broodwar. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=zeru&gb=date
I wanted to answer to that post earlier but then decided to just let it be. Anyway, he has at least two posts in the BW section, so it's not 0 
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I dunno about recently but Grobyc did stream GSL during the open seasons. Is it possible that livestream's copyright crawler picked up an old VOD from those days...just super late? (lol 3 months later)
I seriously just spent the last hour combing through PvT games on scrap station trying to match the screenshot to a game and I'm pretty sure I finally got a match. December 9th, 2010 GSL Open Season 3, TSL_Rain vs HongUnPrime.WE Game 5. I'll include a screenshot of my own to compare to the blurry mess:
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/DPgP2.png)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/64TEQ.png)
I do know for a fact that Grobyc streamed during the GSL Open 1 & 2 but I'm not quite sure if he did 3 as well. If he did then isn't it entirely possible that the VOD was still saved on his livestream account, thus leaving it available to be spotted by any copyright crawler?
Is it possible?
Edit: This does mean that GOM was at least wrong on the date & exact game though, so by all means tear them new assholes for that. I at least thought I'd look for another explanation though. >:
Edit2: Added a cut from the blurry mess to compare so you don't have to go back 6 pages.
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On March 29 2011 17:07 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 15:00 prototype. wrote:On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote:
- Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc. On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote:
Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific. At first we thought no games were played that night but now that they specified... well yea Don't forget that they specified it even more: Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote:
SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 16:30 zerglingsfolife wrote:On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:On March 29 2011 02:57 prototype. wrote:On March 29 2011 02:42 zeru wrote:On March 29 2011 02:20 Marradron wrote:On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote:
Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell. If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them. Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say. I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up. I probably follow BW more religiously than a lot of people in here, but it sounds so ridiculous what people are trying here.What is more likely: 1. One of the administrators of his stream shows GSL game, by mistake, whatever reason. 2. A huge company messes up, that company is known for often admitting where they have errors or say they can do things differently. But in this case, instead of admitting that they made 1 little error when shutting down restreams when they could easily just say they made an error and are sorry and know people would be perfectly fine with that, decide to photoshop a screenshot to not look foolish. The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all. Follows Broodwar so religiously that 0/377 of your posts are about broodwar. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=zeru&gb=date I wanted to answer to that post earlier but then decided to just let it be. Anyway, he has at least two posts in the BW section, so it's not 0
In all fairness, what Sam basically said was "Grobyc was found to be streaming at this time." "The match going on at this time was SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova." In this particular post, he didn't explicitly say that it was that match being illegally streamed; just that the match was going on at the time Grobyc was apparently showing a GSL match. So that post alone isn't nearly as damning as it could be... it's when it's combined with the previous post where GOM did say that the match Grobyc was caught streaming was the match that was going on then.
Even if we were to side the other way and say that Grobyc is likely the one at fault, GOM has continued to shoot themselves in the foot even further. I could see siding with GOM before a screenshot was posted. But the combination of them saying Grobyc was streaming the current match, that the screenshot was from that match, and the map shown in the screenshot not having been played during that match set that GOM says it was taken from... yeah, I could see there being a language problem or something which resulted in a miscommunication, but this is just way too far.
For GOM, at best they really did catch Grobyc's channel streaming something GSL related, but all of their posts contradict each other as far as proving it goes. However, it doesn't matter to them as they're now done with this thread; chances are, as someone mentioned, this will have very little effect on them as it only serves to make the BW community hate them further while the SCII fans don't care/aren't aware.
At worst, it's basically the same, but they really did make a mistake and refuse to admit it.
Edit: Though the post above me might be an explanation. Don't know the details of Grobyc's previous streaming activities. Either way, if that's what the case is, GOM has still really made a mess of things by insisting that the screenshot was from the live match happening on March 9th.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 17:17 xBillehx wrote:I dunno about recently but Grobyc did stream GSL during the open seasons. Is it possible that livestream's copyright crawler picked up an old VOD from those days...just super late? (lol 3 months later) I seriously just spent the last hour combing through PvT games on scrap station trying to match the screenshot to a game and I'm pretty sure I finally got a match. December 9th, 2010 GSL Open Season 3, TSL_Rain vs HongUnPrime.WE Game 5. I'll include a screenshot of my own to compare to the blurry mess: I do know for a fact that Grobyc streamed during the GSL Open 1 & 2 but I'm not quite sure if he did 3 as well. If he did then isn't it entirely possible that the VOD was still saved on his livestream account, thus leaving it available to be spotted by any copyright crawler? Is it possible? Edit: This does mean that GOM was at least wrong on the date & exact game though, so by all means tear them new assholes for that. I at least thought I'd look for another explanation though. >: Edit2: Added a cut from the blurry mess to compare so you don't have to go back 6 pages.
Wow well done. It matches perfectly. Why would groby ever be watching this game 4 months later. Very Very Very Very unlikely. It doesn't make any sense. So the datematching is either wrong or made up. If they had just put the real date (and he was actually streaming the game at that date) I wouldn't blaim GOM but now it's just gettting silly.
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On March 29 2011 17:40 Marradron wrote:
Wow well done. It matches perfectly. Why would groby ever be watching this game 4 months later. Very Very Very Very unlikely. It doesn't make any sense. So the datematching is either wrong or made up.
On March 29 2011 17:28 So no fek wrote:
Edit: Though the post above me might be an explanation. Don't know the details of Grobyc's previous streaming activities. Either way, if that's what the case is, GOM has still really made a mess of things by insisting that the screenshot was from the live match happening on March 9th.
Yeah I agree the whole thing's a mess since their explanations contradict a lot. I'm thinking the livestream copyright crawler caught a GSL VOD really late, 3 months later, reported it to GOM for confirmation on March 9th & proceeded to ban it after confirmation was made that the content did belong to GOM.
There are old neogaf & TL threads that show Grobyc streaming GSL back then so I think my explanation is a lot more sound than the one of him streaming earlier this month.
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On March 29 2011 17:43 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 17:40 Marradron wrote:
Wow well done. It matches perfectly. Why would groby ever be watching this game 4 months later. Very Very Very Very unlikely. It doesn't make any sense. So the datematching is either wrong or made up. Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 17:28 So no fek wrote:
Edit: Though the post above me might be an explanation. Don't know the details of Grobyc's previous streaming activities. Either way, if that's what the case is, GOM has still really made a mess of things by insisting that the screenshot was from the live match happening on March 9th. Yeah I agree the whole thing's a mess since their explanations contradict a lot. I'm thinking the livestream copyright crawler caught a GSL VOD really late, 3 months later, reported it to GOM for confirmation on March 9th & proceeded to ban it after confirmation was made that the content did belong to GOM. There are old neogaf & TL threads that show Grobyc streaming GSL back then so I think my explanation is a lot more sound than the one of him streaming earlier this month.
Yeah gotta agree with you. But still 3 months later. With a crappy screenshot. Saying he restreamed a recent game. Messing up the game he restreamed in a response. GOM defenitly could have handled this better.
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On March 29 2011 17:17 xBillehx wrote:I dunno about recently but Grobyc did stream GSL during the open seasons. Is it possible that livestream's copyright crawler picked up an old VOD from those days...just super late? (lol 3 months later) I seriously just spent the last hour combing through PvT games on scrap station trying to match the screenshot to a game and I'm pretty sure I finally got a match. December 9th, 2010 GSL Open Season 3, TSL_Rain vs HongUnPrime.WE Game 5. I'll include a screenshot of my own to compare to the blurry mess: I do know for a fact that Grobyc streamed during the GSL Open 1 & 2 but I'm not quite sure if he did 3 as well. If he did then isn't it entirely possible that the VOD was still saved on his livestream account, thus leaving it available to be spotted by any copyright crawler? Is it possible? Edit: This does mean that GOM was at least wrong on the date & exact game though, so by all means tear them new assholes for that. I at least thought I'd look for another explanation though. >: Edit2: Added a cut from the blurry mess to compare so you don't have to go back 6 pages.
Teamliquid users are so awesome. Good work. There is no way in my mind Grobyc would be streaming a 4 month old game with neither player being someone a BW streamer like Grobyc would be interested in.
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I am rather amused that they randomly screenshotted a GSL game and said "this is your stream."
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On March 29 2011 20:50 Craton wrote:
I am rather amused that they randomly screenshotted a GSL game and said "this is your stream."
but craton, the gom man said it'd hold up in court!!!
/sarcasm
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