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On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote:
Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta
Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell.
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On March 29 2011 01:13 Sayle wrote:
While I'm certainly not siding with GOM on this as anyone who's watched my stream can attest, I would like to point out one thing. No other BW streams have been shut down by GOM except Grobyc's. If they really were executing some evil plan to eliminate all BW streams, wouldn't they have reported several other (if not all) of the regular/high-profile BW streamers?
And yes, WTF is that image O_o
Killing BW streams slowly ensures there will still be users like "Inori" that will suck their dick regardless of how ridiculous the screenshot is.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51546 Posts
On March 29 2011 02:25 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 01:13 Sayle wrote:
While I'm certainly not siding with GOM on this as anyone who's watched my stream can attest, I would like to point out one thing. No other BW streams have been shut down by GOM except Grobyc's. If they really were executing some evil plan to eliminate all BW streams, wouldn't they have reported several other (if not all) of the regular/high-profile BW streamers?
And yes, WTF is that image O_o Killing BW streams slowly ensures there will still be users like "Inori" that will suck their dick regardless of how ridiculous the screenshot is.
I want to agree with you too but the thing is that until and unless they kill another person's stream I cannot.
But to be honest livestream sucks compared to other streaming websites.
I'm also sure that there is a perfectly reasonable explaination to all this nonsense.
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On March 29 2011 02:42 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 02:20 Marradron wrote:On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote:
Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell. If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them. Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say.
I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up.
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On March 29 2011 03:20 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:On March 29 2011 02:57 prototype. wrote:On March 29 2011 02:42 zeru wrote:On March 29 2011 02:20 Marradron wrote:On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote:
Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell. If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them. Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say. I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up. I probably follow BW more religiously than a lot of people in here, but it sounds so ridiculous what people are trying here. What is more likely: 1. One of the administrators of his stream shows GSL game, by mistake, whatever reason. 2. A huge company messes up, that company is known for often admitting where they have errors or say they can do things differently. But in this case, instead of admitting that they made 1 little error when shutting down restreams when they could easily just say they made an error and are sorry and know people would be perfectly fine with that, decide to photoshop a screenshot to not look foolish. The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all. Thank you! I was beginning to think BW community is filled with people that prefer to believe in conspiracy theories, rather than common sense.
GSL restreams aren't allowed on TL anyway. That doesn't make any sense lol.
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On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
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On March 29 2011 03:37 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all. Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.
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On March 29 2011 03:46 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:38 Myles wrote:On March 29 2011 03:37 prototype. wrote:On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all. Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't. Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all. Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you? I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
There is no evidence what so ever that it was taken at his stream. It could have been anybodys. If they want to shut somebodys livestream down they better have good proof. This is just some random screenshot with suspicious quality. I would not accept this as evidence.
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On March 29 2011 03:46 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:38 Myles wrote:On March 29 2011 03:37 prototype. wrote:On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all. Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't. Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all. Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you? I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
If its a SCREEN shot, where is the rest of the screen? And what GSL game is occuring? These are the issues most people in the thread have with the evidence provided by GOM. GOM stated the timeframe when the screen shot was taken, however, no GSL games were played then. The picture appears to be a screencapture of a GSL game, however, there is nothing in the capture that connects it to Grobyc's stream. It could be from ANY stream or VOD. Is it too much to ask for legitamate proof to shut down a stream?
On March 29 2011 03:46 Inori wrote:Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?
I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
They obviously found it worthy enough to post in this thread multiple times.
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On March 29 2011 04:03 Marradron wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:46 Inori wrote:On March 29 2011 03:38 Myles wrote:On March 29 2011 03:37 prototype. wrote:On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all. Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't. Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all. Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you? I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net. There is no evidence what so ever that it was taken at his stream. It could have been anybodys. If they want to shut somebodys livestream down they better have good proof. This is just some random screenshot with suspicious quality. I would not accept this as evidence.
Exactly. That screent proves nothing. It is a horrible quality screenshot of a VOD with some text they put beside it saying it was from my stream. There's no way that is evidence. And no Inori, I don't think it's a personal vendetta still, why would I? I think it's more likely they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up. The point is that the screenshot proves nothing, and unless they took down my stream from streaming BW I don't think it was justified.
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On March 29 2011 03:46 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:38 Myles wrote:On March 29 2011 03:37 prototype. wrote:On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote:
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all. Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't. Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all. Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you? I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
So you can niether confirm nor deny that some company/person did or did not do something that may or may not make sense... Shut up already.
The main point is that this screen shot really doesn't prove anything and this move is currently raising doubt about GOM's intentions with getting grobyc's stream shut down. These doubts are... just doubts. Why would GOM present such terrible evidence? Whether or not that screen shot is actually good evidence, should not be up for discussion. It obviously isn't.
Option 1: GOM is really just that stupid. - And livestream.com equally so and/or just won't risk anything with GOM.
Option 2: They're hiding something. There is no way of telling what that something is.
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Honestly if I was banned from my stream due to content I never have been shown, I'd be complaining with best of my abilities as well- and why not? It is my right. It is simple-minded to summarize Grobyc's actions as mere vendetta.
I remember when cable company once sent me a bill significantly higher than what I usually payed; I called them up and fought with them over half an hour, whoopedoo turns out they were wrong. I'd guess some people would just try to stay 'impartial' to their misfortunes and submissively take the unjust penalty without complaint or something.
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On March 29 2011 04:20 Hesmyrr wrote:
Honestly if I was banned from my stream due to content I never have been shown, I'd be complaining with best of my abilities as well- and why not? It is my right. It is simple-minded to summarize Grobyc's actions as mere vendetta.
I remember when cable company once sent me a bill significantly higher than what I usually payed; I called them up and fought with them over half an hour, whoopedoo turns out they were wrong. I'd guess some people would just try to stay 'impartial' to their misfortunes and submissively take the unjust penalty without complaint or something.
That's why I brought it up. Not only am I a pushover if I simply let something slide I'm not accountable for, but it's an embarassment to me and makes me look silly.
And about GOM not keeping SS to use as proof for my eyes, that's just stupid. You would really hold proof to something and not show it to someone because you don't feel obligated to when they ask? That comes off as extremely ignorant to me.
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On March 29 2011 04:24 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 04:20 Hesmyrr wrote:
Honestly if I was banned from my stream due to content I never have been shown, I'd be complaining with best of my abilities as well- and why not? It is my right. It is simple-minded to summarize Grobyc's actions as mere vendetta.
I remember when cable company once sent me a bill significantly higher than what I usually payed; I called them up and fought with them over half an hour, whoopedoo turns out they were wrong. I'd guess some people would just try to stay 'impartial' to their misfortunes and submissively take the unjust penalty without complaint or something. Would you also go fight with the company and try to get public attention to the issue, knowing that there were 10 people living in your house without even taking the time to ask if it was their fault?
Yeah I would, because I trust them enough that they have to respect to not do such a thing. Am I taking a chance from doing that? Yes, but I'm confident enough in my moderators that they wouldn't do such a thing. Can you give up on that argument now? I've said I trust them enough to not consider it likely, and the screenshot provided shows no actual proof of ANYONE restreaming GSL on my account.
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