Content streamed on Livestream channel grobycsstarcraftstream, located at http://www.livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream and associated with your Livestream account was the subject of a takedown notice we received from GOMtv pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (.DMCA.). GOMtv has asserted ownership of content that you streamed on your Livestream channel without permission. We have disabled access to that Livestream channel and terminated your Livestream account.
Ballin'
Off to some other provider I suppose.
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On March 09 2011 16:29 Grobyc wrote: Nope, I don't touch GSL or kpop. From streaming BW ...
lol wow they really are trying to kill BW. I guess they want to pick on the little guys until they build enough confidence to actually think they can take KeSPA/OGN/MBC
On March 09 2011 16:40 Kiante wrote: how can gom get u shut down if its not their content? Unless you streamed some gomtv classic stuff or something? also: this sucks
GomTV holds the rights to all starcraft content in Korea. Meaning if you are streaming korean BW, technically they have the rights to it. Livestream will bow to those rights. KeSPA/OGN/MBC won't and are fighting them on it.
Yeah I'll probably make a justin.tv account. The only thing bugging me about justin.tv is that we aren't supposed to be allowed to play our own music while streaming o.O . I guess it's not that bad since I usually just game with my own music anyway, but I'll be damned if the account gets locked from the rare time I do ~_~
On March 09 2011 16:40 Kiante wrote: how can gom get u shut down if its not their content? Unless you streamed some gomtv classic stuff or something? also: this sucks
GomTV holds the rights to all starcraft content in Korea. Meaning if you are streaming korean BW, technically they have the rights to it. Livestream will bow to those rights. KeSPA/OGN/MBC won't and are fighting them on it.
Wow is that for real? D= Keep on trucking Grobyc!! We need more BW!!
May I suggest own3d.tv? Highest quality, I like their interface stream wise, with no buttons that pop up letting viewers pick quality all the damn time, etc. Looks good, and is a clean program (plus I know some people who work there).
That doesn't make shit for sense. I guess they were like 'hey, code S is on and 95 people on that stream are watching bw instead!'
Isn't the ownership to bw broadcasting still legally ambiguous? I doubt the specific issue is in Korean legal codes and there are no precedents... I mean, why would an internet company not tell GOM to fuck off and talk to them after they win in court.
Fucking GOM, more reason to hate those assholes. Goto Justin.tv, not ustream please, ustream discriminates against Australians and that shit just ain't cool (mass lag when watching).
On March 09 2011 17:26 thopol wrote: That doesn't make shit for sense. I guess they were like 'hey, code S is on and 95 people on that stream are watching bw instead!'
Isn't the ownership to bw broadcasting still legally ambiguous? I doubt the specific issue is in Korean legal codes and there are no precedents... I mean, why would an internet company not tell GOM to fuck off and talk to them after they win in court.
Yeah, seems like a good way to attract hate from the community with a very small upside.
I dunno i switched to justin and played music and haven't got any notices. Are you sure thats not only for producers? (aka: people getting advertising money from jtv)
You can play music as long as ur not a premium broadcaster (I think that's when money is involved because you're not suppose to be earning money through copyrighted content that you do not own) on justin.tv
I heard ngame.tv is opening up march 11th (Use to be called ufrag.tv but i guess that site closed down) Its made for people to exclusively stream their games on it. I heard really really good stuff about it saying how it was justin.tv before they added a lot of stupid stuff to it. (The chat to jtv use to be twice as big but theres a giant ad on top of the stream.)
This is standard for all stream sites, we just know about jtv because someone asked. Just ask to any other streaming site and the answer will be the same, how could it not, broadcasting without holding right is illegal, be it on jtv, ustream, livestream or owned...
Anyway op, livestream is doing you a favor, this is the worst streaming site of all, just go to owned or justin
meeh. GomTv is acting very childish. pick someone your own size! we will always support you Grobyc, please continue your contribution to the BW society.
On March 09 2011 18:03 Kiante wrote: I dunno i switched to justin and played music and haven't got any notices. Are you sure thats not only for producers? (aka: people getting advertising money from jtv)
well, what streaming service to use then? only ones left i know are ustream, own3d, scstreams?
I'm using ustream, which is working fine imo... Some people have been complaining a bit about lag recently (mainly people from Australia I believe?), but I would think it's just a short period since it's not specific to sc streams. They will fix it if there it a problem.
This is standard for all stream sites, we just know about jtv because someone asked. Just ask to any other streaming site and the answer will be the same, how could it not, broadcasting without holding right is illegal, be it on jtv, ustream, livestream or owned...
Anyway op, livestream is doing you a favor, this is the worst streaming site of all, just go to owned or justin
No, it was an email they sent out to their users. I was not just based off a single person asking. Furthermore, when day9 was using ustream (I believe he is on jtv now?) he was streaming copyrighted music almost every episode (though not inside recordings!). If ustream actually had a problem with it I don't think they would let him, considering how many regular viewers he has.
Content streamed on Livestream channel grobycsstarcraftstream, located at http://www.livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream and associated with your Livestream account was the subject of a takedown notice we received from GOMtv pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (.DMCA.). GOMtv has asserted ownership of content that you streamed on your Livestream channel without permission. We have disabled access to that Livestream channel and terminated your Livestream account.
On March 09 2011 16:29 Grobyc wrote: Nope, I don't touch GSL or kpop. From streaming BW ...
If you didn't stream anything Gretech/GOM owns, then the procedure is that you send a DMCA counternotification, which means that GOM has 10 days to file a lawsuit or your content goes back up. You can't really blame livestream for obeying the law when they receive a properly filed DMCA notice (even if the notice is bogus).
Content streamed on Livestream channel grobycsstarcraftstream, located at http://www.livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream and associated with your Livestream account was the subject of a takedown notice we received from GOMtv pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (.DMCA.). GOMtv has asserted ownership of content that you streamed on your Livestream channel without permission. We have disabled access to that Livestream channel and terminated your Livestream account.
Ballin'
Off to some other provider I suppose.
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On March 09 2011 16:29 Grobyc wrote: Nope, I don't touch GSL or kpop. From streaming BW ...
If you didn't stream anything Gretech/GOM owns, then the procedure is that you send a DMCA counternotification, which means that GOM has 10 days to file a lawsuit or your content goes back up. You can't really blame livestream for obeying the law when they receive a properly filed DMCA notice (even if the notice is bogus).
One of the problems is it's a legally gray area. Can't blame Livestream for following the normal rules, but can move to another more preferrable streaming service because Livestream sucks in comparison. Though most people here are hating on GOM for doing this. Can't blame them for claiming rights for something that they probably own (I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to say any sure things) but at the same time this is for their "profit" and if this happened more often where are foreigners going to get their BW fix?
livestream sux anyway. In fact, i think this gave out good results since alot of people that watch BW rely on your stream, and watching through livestream is a pain. Of course, thats not to say that gom did the right thing.
I wanted to stir up the community by thanking to my favorite streamers in a special way, and this is the shit that we get in return.
I blame myself for the whole incident.
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Putting my guilt behind,
I'm not too quite sure, but I think KeSPA knows that these streams are being rebroadcasted and such. I even sent them few twit messages during the Jon747 incident, and they replied that they never took any action against that account (found out that it was 1 GOMTV (irony) and 2 WCG warnings).
I hate Gom. You know how everyone hates Kespa when they penalize a player for not typing pp, or for some other stupid in the moment decision that causes tons of backlash? That's how I feel about Gom, but always, because I feel like Korean SC2 is one big error in judgement (also Blizzard)
On March 09 2011 17:26 thopol wrote: That doesn't make shit for sense. I guess they were like 'hey, code S is on and 95 people on that stream are watching bw instead!'
Isn't the ownership to bw broadcasting still legally ambiguous? I doubt the specific issue is in Korean legal codes and there are no precedents... I mean, why would an internet company not tell GOM to fuck off and talk to them after they win in court.
Well, ownership to BW broadcasting is only being contested in Korea, not the US. Here, since Blizzard is a US company, what Blizzard says goes. And GomTV legally has full rights.
Still, what a disgusting thing for them to do. I'm not going to watch any GSL matches unless its a foreigner. TLAF FIGHTING!
TL has cracked down on people restreaming GSL because Gom had ownership issues with that. I wonder if the same thing will happen with people streaming BW.
The problem right now is that GOM went public with the statement 'No restream of SC2'
This was never the case for BW. They've been streaming BW for years and years, and we never had trouble on this website (with Korean events at least... maybe another exception for GOMTV Classics).
Nah, I was thinking of switching anyway, I'm just rolling my eyes at GOM because it feels like such a bold and pointless move.
My new computer is a fucking beast and will be build in the next week or so hopefully, so that'll hope with more streaming, because my current rig blows pretty bad. If I have to I might even end up upgrading internet (15 download/2Mbps upload is like $67 here though :S) so I can stream more effectively. I really do like streaming, but my setup is pretty bad to be honest.
Thank you for not bowing down and continuing with your streaming! That goes for all the streamers, you are keeping BW accessible and alive for all of us.
Anyway op, livestream is doing you a favor, this is the worst streaming site of all, just go to owned or justin
lol. livestream is clearly the best at my end. justin is ok, always used to have terrible quality but it's improved of recent. anything but ustream though.
Everyone knows that the best way to promote the game is to start at the roots. That means crackdown on kids trying to "have a good time" by playing on a LAN, banning those awful people trying to stream and show off what they love, and starting a system where people have to actually pay money if they want to enjoy features that were previously enjoyed for free!
A+ Blizzard, I love what you're doing.
/endsarcasm
edit: I know it was GOM's doing, but Blizzard is the enabler
On March 10 2011 00:14 zeru wrote: I actually don't even think GOM did it on purpose. There are so many restreams of gsl that they need to take down and mistakes happen. If it happens again or happens to another streamer for BW content then it might be quite suspicious.
I do love GOM for all the entertainment they have brought however nothing will beat the excitement BW games bring. Never give up, BW streamers.
On a sidenote livestream is probably my least favourite stream service, for me: own3d.>ustream>jtv>livestream
I personally would've said this in the first place.
However, given the 2nd case between MBC/OGN and GOMtv, I doubt that it was done by mistake.
On March 10 2011 00:14 zeru wrote: I actually don't even think GOM did it on purpose. There are so many restreams of gsl that they need to take down and mistakes happen. If it happens again or happens to another streamer for BW content then it might be quite suspicious.
I do love GOM for all the entertainment they have brought however nothing will beat the excitement BW games bring. Never give up, BW streamers.
On a sidenote livestream is probably my least favourite stream service, for me: own3d.>ustream>jtv>livestream
I personally would've said this in the first place.
However, given the 2nd case between MBC/OGN and GOMtv, I doubt that it was done by mistake.
On March 10 2011 00:14 zeru wrote: I actually don't even think GOM did it on purpose. There are so many restreams of gsl that they need to take down and mistakes happen. If it happens again or happens to another streamer for BW content then it might be quite suspicious.
I do love GOM for all the entertainment they have brought however nothing will beat the excitement BW games bring. Never give up, BW streamers.
On a sidenote livestream is probably my least favourite stream service, for me: own3d.>ustream>jtv>livestream
I personally would've said this in the first place.
However, given the 2nd case between MBC/OGN and GOMtv, I doubt that it was done by mistake.
On March 09 2011 18:05 Jayme wrote: Yea well now people understand why I don't pay for season tickets anymore.
Kespa is pretty gay, but GomTV is no angel.
this doesn't make any sense. you don't pay to watch gom because they shut down an illegal osl/msl stream? gom have the BW broadcast rights now, remember.
On March 10 2011 00:07 Jugan wrote: Everyone knows that the best way to promote the game is to start at the roots. That means crackdown on kids trying to "have a good time" by playing on a LAN, banning those awful people trying to stream and show off what they love, and starting a system where people have to actually pay money if they want to enjoy features that were previously enjoyed for free!
A+ Blizzard, I love what you're doing.
/endsarcasm
edit: I know it was GOM's doing, but Blizzard is the enabler
Wouldn't surprise me to learn that Blizzard is actively encouraging Gom to go enforce the IP rights. In fact I'd be surprised to learn otherwise.
I wonder if shutting down pro brood war viewership in the west is going to be their policy going forward. I really, really hope not. It's technically illegal but unless they can offer an alternative of some kind this is pretty bad.
I'm trying to think of reasons for this to happen. either: 1) there was a time you played a pack of highlits that included something from a GOM invitational 2) some one saw starcraft and confused the two 3) GOM is getting more agressive about their pseudo-rights, and other industries are reconising them.
All seem unlikely, but I can't think of another. Athough reading through the thread, people seem pretty set on number 3.
I don't understand this. It shouldn't matter for them in terms of profitz right? We don't even have access to korean broodwar, why can't people have restreams going? :S I think it was MBC went to town on youtube a while back taking down a shitload of videos as well. Don't understand it.
Can we stop giving GOM money now? Seriously? As consumers we have a responsibility to make sure we're only giving money to companies that have our interests at heart. GOM clearly does not.
On March 10 2011 01:52 Chef wrote: Can we stop giving GOM money now? Seriously? As consumers we have a responsibility to make sure we're only giving money to companies that have our interests at heart. GOM clearly does not.
I would say that the executives don't. I think John and a lot of the other people clearly really do, but :/
On March 10 2011 01:45 hifriend wrote: I don't understand this. It shouldn't matter for them in terms of profitz right? We don't even have access to korean broodwar, why can't people have restreams going? :S I think it was MBC went to town on youtube a while back taking down a shitload of videos as well. Don't understand it.
Companies do this stuff a lot. They have irregular patterns of giving a shit about their IP rights. It's super common with big music labels; they'll take stuff off Youtube that they haven't printed in years and have no intention to print in the future. Really lame.
The only thing that gives me a slim hope is that Gom has been fairly fan-friendly in GSL and have responded to a lot of criticisms. Plus they catered to foreign fans in the GomTV Classic by having English commentary. If they mean for BW to be broadcasted in Korea under their own terms at some point they may be willing to provide a means for foreigners to enjoy it, though it may end up having to be a pay stream because companies(including gom) usually shun unofficial restreams because they don't want their content to be associated with any other content that the streamer may have, such as fedor streaming TerrorfOu humping his chair or something.
On March 10 2011 01:52 Chef wrote: Can we stop giving GOM money now? Seriously? As consumers we have a responsibility to make sure we're only giving money to companies that have our interests at heart. GOM clearly does not.
But we have to support esports. If we don't support esports, what do you think will happen to esports?
On March 10 2011 01:52 Chef wrote: Can we stop giving GOM money now? Seriously? As consumers we have a responsibility to make sure we're only giving money to companies that have our interests at heart. GOM clearly does not.
But we have to support esports. If we don't support esports, what do you think will happen to esports?
Won't somebody please think of the esports!!!!
Cutting off the vast majority of the population from the largest esport in the world (that has the most infrastructure biggest audiences and the largest prizes) due to geographical limitations is not good for esports. And neither is supporting people who would want to do that.
On March 10 2011 01:52 Chef wrote: Can we stop giving GOM money now? Seriously? As consumers we have a responsibility to make sure we're only giving money to companies that have our interests at heart. GOM clearly does not.
But we have to support esports. If we don't support esports, what do you think will happen to esports?
Won't somebody please think of the esports!!!!
screw GomTV, just support the Nasl and other tournaments
On March 10 2011 01:52 Chef wrote: Can we stop giving GOM money now? Seriously? As consumers we have a responsibility to make sure we're only giving money to companies that have our interests at heart. GOM clearly does not.
But we have to support esports. If we don't support esports, what do you think will happen to esports?
Won't somebody please think of the esports!!!!
Cutting off the vast majority of the population from the largest esport in the world (that has the most infrastructure biggest audiences and the largest prizes) due to geographical limitations is not good for esports. And neither is supporting people who would want to do that.
please tell me you aren't being romanian
also, gom -___- gl finding a new place to restream grobyc! <3 for what you do
On March 10 2011 01:52 Chef wrote: Can we stop giving GOM money now? Seriously? As consumers we have a responsibility to make sure we're only giving money to companies that have our interests at heart. GOM clearly does not.
But we have to support esports. If we don't support esports, what do you think will happen to esports?
Won't somebody please think of the esports!!!!
Cutting off the vast majority of the population from the largest esport in the world (that has the most infrastructure biggest audiences and the largest prizes) due to geographical limitations is not good for esports. And neither is supporting people who would want to do that.
please tell me you aren't being romanian
also, gom -___- gl finding a new place to restream grobyc! <3 for what you do
On March 10 2011 01:52 Chef wrote: Can we stop giving GOM money now? Seriously? As consumers we have a responsibility to make sure we're only giving money to companies that have our interests at heart. GOM clearly does not.
mm, seriously, I see so many people say that they're "SUPPORTING ESPORTS!" by buying season tickets, I die a little inside whenever I see this.
On March 10 2011 01:52 Chef wrote: Can we stop giving GOM money now? Seriously? As consumers we have a responsibility to make sure we're only giving money to companies that have our interests at heart. GOM clearly does not.
mm, seriously, I see so many people say that they're "SUPPORTING ESPORTS!" by buying season tickets, I die a little inside whenever I see this.
Well, someone has to pay for the salaries of Tasteless, Artosis, and John the Translator.
Anyways, it's disappointing to see GOM do this, especially with all the recent drama involving Craton and John747 that stifles the exposure of the Korean BW scene to the non-Korean audience. The decision really seems like a huge mistake and misunderstanding, and I have a feeling that everything can be better clarified by contacting GOM and asking about the takedown notice.
Everyone jumping on the hate train without even knowing the full story.
Have you tried contacting GOM? They obviously didn't just come to TL and shut down all the BW streams, so everyone should quit their stupid conspiracy theories.
On March 10 2011 09:46 Backpack wrote: Everyone jumping on the hate train without even knowing the full story.
Have you tried contacting GOM? They obviously didn't just come to TL and shut down all the BW streams, so everyone should quit their stupid conspiracy theories.
No I haven't. To be honest I don't care about the livestream account in particular; it just annoys me that they would take this initiative. I have a own3d.tv account that I am content with, and unless they try to touch that too then I don't think it's worth the effort considering the chances of it paying off.
They could have just issued that to livestream to shutdown any GSL restreams and let livestream figure out what to shutdown (GOM having to send a new statement everytime to livestream might get tedious and too slow to remove the restreams) and they got confused. Would like to hear their side of the story, pretty stupid if they actually did it themselves. It just doesn't seem like any other streamer has had this problem that isn't using livestream, and if gom was targeting BW streamers they could just pull them from TL and go through there.
On March 10 2011 11:12 Combine wrote: They could have just issued that to livestream to shutdown any GSL restreams and let livestream figure out what to shutdown (GOM having to send a new statement everytime to livestream might get tedious and too slow to remove the restreams) and they got confused. Would like to hear their side of the story, pretty stupid if they actually did it themselves. It just doesn't seem like any other streamer has had this problem that isn't using livestream, and if gom was targeting BW streamers they could just pull them from TL and go through there.
Yeah some pretty one-sided hate here. Would like to know the story from the other side, and were you restreaming Korean BW-tournaments or your own games?
Killing off your stream if you where restreaming Korean BW-tournaments would be a douche move but they are involved in a law suit regarding IP rights of thoose very tournaments so yeah, quite possible they do not want them restreamed. Douche move for sure if so but nothing that would make me horribly upset either.
Japanese anime/manga companies usually turn a somewhat blind eye to fan translations of work that otherwise would not get translated (i.e. before it has been licensed by a western company) but some crack down on this aswell. Since fan translating involves spreading of the raw scans that makes it possible for the Japanese readers to download and read aswell, or read the english translations for free.
Douche move for sure, but would not get me to not buy/support a company.
On March 10 2011 11:12 Combine wrote: They could have just issued that to livestream to shutdown any GSL restreams and let livestream figure out what to shutdown (GOM having to send a new statement everytime to livestream might get tedious and too slow to remove the restreams) and they got confused. Would like to hear their side of the story, pretty stupid if they actually did it themselves. It just doesn't seem like any other streamer has had this problem that isn't using livestream, and if gom was targeting BW streamers they could just pull them from TL and go through there.
Yeah some pretty one-sided hate here. Would like to know the story from the other side, and were you restreaming Korean BW-tournaments or your own games?
Killing off your stream if you where restreaming Korean BW-tournaments would be a douche move but they are involved in a law suit regarding IP rights of thoose very tournaments so yeah, quite possible they do not want them restreamed. Douche move for sure if so but nothing that would make me horribly upset either.
Japanese anime/manga companies usually turn a somewhat blind eye to fan translations of work that otherwise would not get translated (i.e. before it has been licensed by a western company) but some crack down on this aswell. Since fan translating involves spreading of the raw scans that makes it possible for the Japanese readers to download and read aswell, or read the english translations for free.
Douche move for sure, but would not get me to not buy/support a company.
Gom are douches? is there a better reason to dislike them? i don't know what you are trying to get at..
When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
That is impossible, Grobyc doesn't stream GSL series. The best I can think of is that OGN/MBC did a replay of a GomTV Classic series while Grobyc happened to be restreaming BW matches. That is out of Grobyc's control.
Yeah Grobyc quit restreaming GSL yo, stop making BW fans not buy ther GSL ticket to support ESPORTS <- note the caps
-_- /sarcasm
I'm fairly sure Grobyc hasn't streamed anything lately, let alone any possible GOM content like GSL or Kpop videos. Even if he did restream something like GOMTV MSL the GOM rep said that they don't take down BW content (even though I've read that one warning on jon747 account was from them), which I doubt he's even done.
Pretty puzzling. Keep fighting Grobyc, Hite Entus is behind you!
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
On March 11 2011 16:23 Arnstein wrote: This is a little off-topic, but how/why did they censor Jinro? I read about that in one of the answers on the GOM page.
Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific.
If the aforementioned livestream user does believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of his livestream account then he should contact GOMtv.net and livestream to resolve the issue. We have not received any form of contact from the user.
On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote: Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific.
If the aforementioned livestream user does believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of his livestream account then he should contact GOMtv.net and livestream to resolve the issue. We have not received any form of contact from the user.
You said it was 9 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC), which is 9 Mar 14.45 KST, 2 days ago. What GSL match was on at that time?
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
There is no need for TL users to defend Grobyc to GomTV. He's perfectly capable of going to them himself and disputing the takedown notice. But so far, he's pretty much flat out admitted he hasn't even bothered to do that much, and everyone has just jumped on the hate train along with him like a bunch of idiots.
GOM comes in and gives a reasonable post addressing the concerns, and instead of everyone just stepping back and saying "Ok, Grobyc, looks like GOM is willing to talk, sort the shit out!" you all jump all over GOM automatically assuming they're the bad guys.
On March 11 2011 17:29 Dhalphir wrote: There is no need for TL users to defend Grobyc to GomTV. He's perfectly capable of going to them himself and disputing the takedown notice. But so far, he's pretty much flat out admitted he hasn't even bothered to do that much, and everyone has just jumped on the hate train along with him like a bunch of idiots.
GOM comes in and gives a reasonable post addressing the concerns, and instead of everyone just stepping back and saying "Ok, Grobyc, looks like GOM is willing to talk, sort the shit out!" you all jump all over GOM automatically assuming they're the bad guys.
Not good.
The posts after gom posted have been asking for the screenshot, or an offtopic thing about jinro censorship. I haven't seen the screenshot yet, have you?
it doesn't matter. we don't need to see the screenshot. The only person who needs to be talking to Gom about Grobyc being banned injustly or not is Grobyc. And if he can't be bothered to do so himself, he obviously doesn't care that much, so why should we?
My point is, you said after gom posted "everyone was jumping over them assuming they're the bad guys". In fact, thats wrong, people simply asked for a screenshot. People jumped on gom BEFORE gom posted, not after. I'm not so concerned about how this gets addressed, more you posting stuff thats wrong.
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM.
The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is
"oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that.
Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc.
What is wrong with a community acting together against unjustified actions taken against one of the members?
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM.
The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is
"oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that.
Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc.
I don't really see what the problem is here. If GOM has stated that they have proof, of course we're going to want to see it. Asking us to take their word at face value is silly when the image in question isn't even confidential information. Grobyc is a prominent streamer here on Teamliquid. Obviously we'd be concerned as to whether or not the accusations of restreaming were accurate.
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM.
The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is
"oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that.
Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc.
what's wrong with asking for proof? I, too, would like to see the screenshot of Grobyc streaming GSL
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM.
The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is
"oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that.
Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc.
gom posted publicly that they had proof. this issue affects everyone. Why should we sit quietly while "maybe grobyc and gom can talk". Why cant we ask for proof. Considering grobyc has been streaming BW for ages, and i've literally never seen him stream any sc2 garbage, i think the community is more than justified to see the screenshot.
On March 11 2011 17:42 Dhalphir wrote: it doesn't matter. we don't need to see the screenshot. The Only person WhO needs to be talking to Gom about Grobyc being banned injustly or not is Grobyc. And if he can't be bothered to do so himself, he obviously doesn't care that much, so why should we?
Yea, we do. Grobyc to the best of his knowledge has never streamed GSL. GOM is claiming he did. Either GOM is blatantly lying, Grobyc someone accidently brought up a GSL stream at some point, or Grobyc is lying (highly unlikely). If GOM is blatantly lying that effects the community as a whole because it brings GOM's credibility into question, which unquestionably effects the entire community. As does Grobyc's stream. He regularly streams proleague and other events which make his stream relevant to more than just himself.
On March 11 2011 17:48 Dhalphir wrote: Addressing a reasonable explanation post with "screenshot or it didn't happen!" is a pretty clear example of jumping on GOM.
The only response from TL users after GOM posted their explanation is
"oh, okay. looking forward to seeing how discussions between Grobyc and you progress" or something similar to that.
Anything else is irrelevant, its between GOM and Grobyc.
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
Thank you. GOMtv.net
Post the screenshot please.
Kiante and Mani asked politely for the screenshot. You are making things up.
We are unable to release the information (screenshot) since it is a personal information pertaining to the livestream user.
We are however able to provide the information to the user: grobycsstarcraftstream upon the request of the user.
There could be times when mistakes are made. However, we are aware of the consequences that arise from falsely accusing a user as a company and at this moment we are certain that no mistake was made from our end. We would be glad to talk to the user if he wishes to talk to us in regards to this issue.
I trust Grobyc that he has not shown any form of GSL and disagree with the truth from GOMTV that they claim until further evidence is shown. If it is such a personal information for the livestream user affected (Grobyc), then I believe that also affects to all of us here or a big chunk of us who solely watch and view BW games via streamers' livestream. Grobyc have been one of the big public streamers for OSL, MSL, and BW Proleague and thus deemed as a public figure in this stand among the viewers of the internet.
The screenshot that is used as evidence for this lockdown of the public stream should not be kept as private personal information as the "incident" was shown publicly among the audience and by creating such a term of unable to reveal this information to the public also gives some skepticism to the GOMTV. Since they announced they made absolute no mistake whatsoever to this and Grobyc announced he made no mistake as well, this will need to be cleared up to see who is the right and wrong for the internet audience to make comments and remarks on, which may affect the entire community and the future of streamers.
Clearly, we have three possible outcomes here: either GOMTV stating the truth and Grobyc have made a mistake in which the decision can be justiciable but the internet laws of Korea enforcing to countries outside of Korea being a problem itself (since the viewers are mainly international) or GOMTV has made a mistake which undermine their policies and give a negative attention and image to the company itself or GOMTV not making further action and neglect the need to review this situation.
So in my opinion, this action itself have triggered a lose-lose-lose situation for GOMTV for affecting viewers all around the world as well as potentially discouraging potential consumers and donors for the company as well.
On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote: Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific.
If the aforementioned livestream user does believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of his livestream account then he should contact GOMtv.net and livestream to resolve the issue. We have not received any form of contact from the user.
You said it was 9 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC), which is 9 Mar 14.45 KST, 2 days ago. What GSL match was on at that time?
I bring this to attention again. It's highly unlikely that Groby restreamed GSL during a time where there were no GSL matches ongoing (at least according to the calendar) and BW matches were.
On March 11 2011 20:30 GOMTV wrote: We are unable to release the information (screenshot) since it is a personal information pertaining to the livestream user.
We are however able to provide the information to the user: grobycsstarcraftstream upon the request of the user.
There could be times when mistakes are made. However, we are aware of the consequences that arise from falsely accusing a user as a company and at this moment we are certain that no mistake was made from our end. We would be glad to talk to the user if he wishes to talk to us in regards to this issue.
if it was publicly streamed (hence you want to take it down) why is it suddenly too private too release? this makes literally no sense
On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote: Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific.
If the aforementioned livestream user does believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of his livestream account then he should contact GOMtv.net and livestream to resolve the issue. We have not received any form of contact from the user.
You said it was 9 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC), which is 9 Mar 14.45 KST, 2 days ago. What GSL match was on at that time?
I bring this to attention again. It's highly unlikely that Groby restreamed GSL during a time where there were no GSL matches ongoing (at least according to the calendar) and BW matches were.
I think Grobyc is too lazy to deal with Gom's BS considering he's already got himself a new stream. Why would he go thru the hassle of dealing with them? GOM is trying to save face here, but it's clear they're not worth anyone's time. You're terrible GOM. I hope people stop giving you money. I can't believe there are people who don't even watch your awful streams but still give you money to 'support esports.' Have people lost their minds? It's sad for SC2 fans that they have to deal with such an incompetent organization.
On March 11 2011 20:30 GOMTV wrote: We are unable to release the information (screenshot) since it is a personal information pertaining to the livestream user.
We are however able to provide the information to the user: grobycsstarcraftstream upon the request of the user.
There could be times when mistakes are made. However, we are aware of the consequences that arise from falsely accusing a user as a company and at this moment we are certain that no mistake was made from our end. We would be glad to talk to the user if he wishes to talk to us in regards to this issue.
Basically they don't want to release screenshots probably because it would implicate them. Maybe it wasn't for GSL, but maybe it was for *gasp*, streaming BW -- after all, Gretech does have "exclusive" rights to broadcast Brood War from Blizzard, so technically they have that right.
well.. if gom has a screenshot, i'm sure they should present it. like what kiante said, if it was already showing on stream why will a screenshot be private material?.
that aside, i'm glad to see grobyc has not quit streaming. i don't think he's guilty unless proven by the screenshot. then again, i dont think grobyc will do such a thing.
1) "Material" with the gom logo was spotted? could it have been a TL page? 2) If the info on the screenie is private how did you get the screenie. Point has been raised before etc etc 3) To people saying we shouldn't meddle in something that "between Gom and Grobyc": For years and years people have struggled to get sound SC streams from Korea. Those people dedicated enough to stay up til 5 am have been such huge contributions to the TL community that we'll defend our case if someone takes a stab at them.
Someone needs to make one of those meme's with the dude on the hat on backwards with a gom logo in it with the text "says they support esports............shuts down BW streams" or something like that. I would if i had the photoshop skills
On March 11 2011 20:30 GOMTV wrote: We are unable to release the information (screenshot) since it is a personal information pertaining to the livestream user.
We are however able to provide the information to the user: grobycsstarcraftstream upon the request of the user.
There could be times when mistakes are made. However, we are aware of the consequences that arise from falsely accusing a user as a company and at this moment we are certain that no mistake was made from our end. We would be glad to talk to the user if he wishes to talk to us in regards to this issue.
If Grobyc were to say that it's fine to release of the screenshot, would you do so?
We all want to see the truth behind this incident. So please, unless its really private, can you tell us what's going on, or at least try to get the screenshot up?
To people saying we shouldn't meddle in something that "between Gom and Grobyc": For years and years people have struggled to get sound SC streams from Korea. Those people dedicated enough to stay up til 5 am have been such huge contributions to the TL community that we'll defend our case if someone takes a stab at them.
But surely if Grobyc has a problem with GOM's screenshot he'd just say so? What's the point of speculating about it?
The point is that a lot of people hate GOM right now, and they're digging themselves deeper by having petty legal fights with huge contributors who actually care about ESPORTS. Grobyc is more or less a small fry, but we can't forget that Jon747 was shut down, that MBC Game and OnGameNet are being threatened... I won't claim to be too well informed on the topic, but GOM needs some serious PR help if they're going to be seen in a positive light. The only thing they seem to know how to do is make lame excuses.
On March 13 2011 11:46 Chef wrote: The point is that a lot of people hate GOM right now, and they're digging themselves deeper by having petty legal fights with huge contributors who actually care about ESPORTS. Grobyc is more or less a small fry, but we can't forget that Jon747 was shut down, that MBC Game and OnGameNet are being threatened... I won't claim to be too well informed on the topic, but GOM needs some serious PR help if they're going to be seen in a positive light. The only thing they seem to know how to do is make lame excuses.
Jon747 got a warning from GOM because of GOM Classic, not MBC/OGN/Proleague.
I supported GOM during season 1 of StarCraft II (and when they ran BW tourneys, I was sad to hear that Kespa basically killed them.) I would have been more than happy if BW and SCII could have coexisted, as it would strengthen the community overall and hopefully bring more attention to BW (for those who came in with SCII.) Once it became apparent that coexistence wasn't a possibility, I decided I would side with BW.
This shit with GOM, no matter what the deal really is, makes me think I made the right decision.
Uh... I know that. But it wasn't a warning... It was... All his videos... literally 1000s... gone because he uploaded a video or two from GOM's league. To someone who has spent the last few years of his life tirelessly helping the foreign community enjoy ESPORTS, do you think that is a very nice way to treat him? No, that's called GOM having no presence of mind for the fans.
Anyway, I don't have any doubt that they have a legit screenshot with their logo in his stream... The point is that they could have easily warned him (like they could have easily warned jon747) and it would never happen again. Instead they make this a pain in the butt with this no tolerance stance, when they are still in a transitional phase with the community. Yeah, they have a legal right to do whatever they want with this, but that doesn't mean we as consumers have to accept it. We can say 'no, I don't want to support a company that destroys things I like and makes life hard for contributors I admire.'
On March 13 2011 12:04 Chef wrote: Uh... I know that. But it wasn't a warning... It was... All his videos... literally 1000s... gone because he uploaded a video or two from GOM's league. To someone who has spent the last few years of his life tirelessly helping the foreign community enjoy ESPORTS, do you think that is a very nice way to treat him? No, that's called GOM having no presence of mind for the fans.
It was 1 warning from GOM and 2 warnings from WCG.
On March 13 2011 11:46 Chef wrote: The point is that a lot of people hate GOM right now, and they're digging themselves deeper by having petty legal fights with huge contributors who actually care about ESPORTS. Grobyc is more or less a small fry, but we can't forget that Jon747 was shut down, that MBC Game and OnGameNet are being threatened... I won't claim to be too well informed on the topic, but GOM needs some serious PR help if they're going to be seen in a positive light. The only thing they seem to know how to do is make lame excuses.
Jon747 got a warning from GOM because of GOM Classic, not MBC/OGN/Proleague.
On March 13 2011 11:46 Chef wrote: The point is that a lot of people hate GOM right now, and they're digging themselves deeper by having petty legal fights with huge contributors who actually care about ESPORTS. Grobyc is more or less a small fry, but we can't forget that Jon747 was shut down, that MBC Game and OnGameNet are being threatened... I won't claim to be too well informed on the topic, but GOM needs some serious PR help if they're going to be seen in a positive light. The only thing they seem to know how to do is make lame excuses.
Jon747 got a warning from GOM because of GOM Classic, not MBC/OGN/Proleague.
Nope, he got a warning the GomTV MSLs
mb that explains why i couldnt find those msl on his channel b4
Also, I did contact livestream about the takedown last week through email to their guys that deal with copyright issues.
My livestream (http://www.livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream) recently for shut down for an apparent copyright infringement and I would like to look in to this more. I'd like to know what content of theirs I streamed on my channel without permission. Is it possible to request a screenshot or proof of some other sort?
On March 09 2011 16:40 Kiante wrote: how can gom get u shut down if its not their content? Unless you streamed some gomtv classic stuff or something? also: this sucks
GomTV holds the rights to all starcraft content in Korea. Meaning if you are streaming korean BW, technically they have the rights to it. Livestream will bow to those rights. KeSPA/OGN/MBC won't and are fighting them on it.
Its funny how laws of specifik countrys dont apply to the internet. I live in Denmark where we got jandelov that means i could be trolling everyone here legally, but i would still get a ban.. :s stupid internet laws
No I haven't contacted GOM directly yet, I'll do that now. I don't care for arguing my livestream channel back, but I would like to see where they got this screenshot from. I stopped watching GSL near the end of the first season, and I haven't seen a game since. The only possible way they could have a screenshot showing me resteaming illegally would be a) another producer on my channel was streaming for whatever reason (I had probably about 7-8 other people will producer capabilities) b) the screenshot isn't real
On March 21 2011 23:06 Grobyc wrote: No I haven't contacted GOM directly yet, I'll do that now. I don't care for arguing my livestream channel back, but I would like to see where they got this screenshot from. I stopped watching GSL near the end of the first season, and I haven't seen a game since. The only possible way they could have a screenshot showing me resteaming illegally would be a) another producer on my channel was streaming for whatever reason (I had probably about 7-8 other people will producer capabilities) b) the screenshot isn't real
The only other possibility is if you have GOM-related BW events (GOM Classic), though I think you said you didn't have those at all.
On March 13 2011 11:46 Chef wrote: The point is that a lot of people hate GOM right now, and they're digging themselves deeper by having petty legal fights with huge contributors who actually care about ESPORTS. Grobyc is more or less a small fry, but we can't forget that Jon747 was shut down, that MBC Game and OnGameNet are being threatened... I won't claim to be too well informed on the topic, but GOM needs some serious PR help if they're going to be seen in a positive light. The only thing they seem to know how to do is make lame excuses.
Jon747 got a warning from GOM because of GOM Classic, not MBC/OGN/Proleague.
Nope, he got a warning the GomTV MSLs
Either way, MSL/OGN never contacted Jon747 since. I even hinted on KeSPA's thread that people in America watch the streams (and afreeca blocks foreigners watching, so does Daum TVPOT. There's NO WAY that we can watch MBC without paying) through restreams/youtube.
On March 21 2011 23:06 Grobyc wrote: No I haven't contacted GOM directly yet, I'll do that now. I don't care for arguing my livestream channel back, but I would like to see where they got this screenshot from. I stopped watching GSL near the end of the first season, and I haven't seen a game since. The only possible way they could have a screenshot showing me resteaming illegally would be a) another producer on my channel was streaming for whatever reason (I had probably about 7-8 other people will producer capabilities) b) the screenshot isn't real
The only other possibility is if you have GOM-related BW events (GOM Classic), though I think you said you didn't have those at all.
Well GOMTV posted
Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific.
So this means it was SC2.
Which means that either grobyc is lying/forgetting about streaming GSL (unlikely), some other people streamed on his channel (dunno how likely this is), or GOM has made a mistake (most likely in my opinion). I guess we will find out. Personally I don't really mind as justin.tv always works at least as well for me, but I'm certainly interested in seeing what gom provides grobyc as evidence.
Also just wanted to say to grobyc that I (along with many others) really appreciate the effort you make to bring BW to us.
I recall one of the main streamers (grobyc, xsebt or kiante.... ((could be someone else can't remember them all))) who were doing bw event, opening video link to game which was recorded from gomplayer or similiar. It flashed in the screen for less than 1 second, before it was pulled away and shutted down.
Instead of being overreactive, they could send warning before requiring total shutdown of streams. Also I think 1 screenshot is not good enough proof for this kind of action, they should record something like 5 sec clip of showing that there was misuse of their product. Screenshot is easy to fabricate and can be taken from mistake that was not intended at all.
Also, Grobyc is hero in my eyes even if this turns out to be true. Hope to see more of you streaming bw.
On March 22 2011 01:01 Jienny wrote: I recall one of the main streamers (grobyc, xsebt or kiante.... ((could be someone else can't remember them all))) who were doing bw event, opening video link to game which was recorded from gomplayer or similiar. It flashed in the screen for less than 1 second, before it was pulled away and shutted down.
Instead of being overreactive, they could send warning before requiring total shutdown of streams. Also I think 1 screenshot is not good enough proof for this kind of action, they should record something like 5 sec clip of showing that there was misuse of their product. Screenshot is easy to fabricate and can be taken from mistake that was not intended at all.
Also, Grobyc is hero in my eyes even if this turns out to be true. Hope to see more of you streaming bw.
The possiblity of that crossed my mind as well, but I don't even recall touching GOM player in ages. I'm actually pretty sure I uninstalled it a few weeks ago.
On March 22 2011 01:47 Marradron wrote: Doesn't live stream automaticly put up the videos of what you've streamed ? Can't you just show that. Or is the account completely inaccesible ?
You can set it to record them, yeah. I don't believe I had it set to record automatically though. The account is completely inaccessible, so I can't check regardless.
On March 23 2011 06:35 Marradron wrote: Still no response ? How long does it take to upload a screenshot and send a link to the OP. Something is fishy here
He contacted a company by internet in a language they don't speak, like, 24 hours ago. Relax.
On March 23 2011 06:35 Marradron wrote: Still no response ? How long does it take to upload a screenshot and send a link to the OP. Something is fishy here
He contacted a company by internet in a language they don't speak, like, 24 hours ago. Relax.
Ehh the representative of GOM posted in this thread that he was willing to to send the screenshot. Yet he has not done so. He had plenty of time. Language is not a problem here since he posts in english just fine. And it has been like 32 hours by now.
Yeah, you're right, obviously GomTV just hates Grobyc. They camp TL all day and obviously they saw the PM but aren't responding because they don't want him to have a livestream account in particular.
On March 23 2011 07:23 Turgid wrote: GomTV logged into Grobyc's account using brute force hacking methods, streamed GSL on it, took screenshots, and then got him BANNED.
I dont know why are you defending them. They accused the OP of restreaming their contents but Did not yet to deliver any evidence. I don't see any reason they shouldnt check the account daily. Obviously you're some kind of Gom TV fanboy. To be honost I dont expect them to answer him at all any more.
I dunno dude I think you're overreacting! I don't think I'm going to be able to say anything to convince you if you think that it's reasonable to demand a response to a TL PM from GomTV in this amount of time so I don't think I'll bother too much.
On March 23 2011 07:32 Turgid wrote: I dunno dude I think you're overreacting! I don't think I'm going to be able to say anything to convince you if you think that it's reasonable to demand a response to a TL PM from GomTV in this amount of time so I don't think I'll bother too much.
Well, it did take GOM 2 days to respond to the OP in this thread. Bothering around with a single stream ban is probably a minor chore for them, and I don't think they have people sitting around refreshing TL.net 24/7 when there are possibly other, more time sensitive matters at hand. I would give them up to a week for a full response before grabbing my torch and pitchfork.
To be honest, I don't really care for a quick response. I've already switched to own3d.tv, and I've tried to contact livestream and GOM for more info without a response from either yet. On the other hand, my torch and pitchfork are getting pretty rusty...
On March 23 2011 07:32 Turgid wrote: I dunno dude I think you're overreacting! I don't think I'm going to be able to say anything to convince you if you think that it's reasonable to demand a response to a TL PM from GomTV in this amount of time so I don't think I'll bother too much.
I actually think this is good since grobyc is a high profile bw streamer so that if gom is actually trying to get rid of bw streams (and I'm not saying they are, evidence pending) then I'm glad he's bringing this out in the light, not letting them shut down any bw restream they want. And if they aren't and he did accidentally restream GSL, then that's good as well cause people won't hate on GOM for trying to snub out the competition with any means necessary.
Judging by the delay in response and the quality of their inhouse produced charts and graphics in the only handful of GOM SC2 minutes I've experienced, it's clear that they are attempting to get a screenshot shopped but had to resort to outsourcing.
I'd bet the commission will be completed three to four days from now and will require GOM to go over its planned expenditure.
On March 25 2011 17:34 nanashin wrote: Judging by the delay in response and the quality of their inhouse produced charts and graphics in the only handful of GOM SC2 minutes I've experienced, it's clear that they are attempting to get a screenshot shopped but had to resort to outsourcing.
I'd bet the commission will be completed three to four days from now and will require GOM to go over its planned expenditure.
Be nice, uploading images takes a lot of time and bandwidth. We'll get it when its damn ready!
I wonder how long gom can ignore this thread and grobyc. maybe its time we start sending messages to gom as a community to get them to listen. I'd love nothing more than to see them doing a full 180. oh the embaressment
On March 21 2011 23:06 Grobyc wrote: No I haven't contacted GOM directly yet, I'll do that now. I don't care for arguing my livestream channel back, but I would like to see where they got this screenshot from. I stopped watching GSL near the end of the first season, and I haven't seen a game since. The only possible way they could have a screenshot showing me resteaming illegally would be a) another producer on my channel was streaming for whatever reason (I had probably about 7-8 other people will producer capabilities) b) the screenshot isn't real
No one have reacted to this post ? If I understand it correctly, there are like 8 other people with the login/password of your account, and you don't know if or what they are streaming. Have you asked them if they have re-streamed GSL ? (I guess they would answer "no" even if they had a good % of the time to not be blamed) And with this new information people here still think GOM has randomly asked a ban and photoshoped a screenshot instead of accepting the more probable answer : one of the other person who use this account have really re-streamed GSL...
GOM player is fucking shit. It always pauses and I get irritated when something juicy just happens. I'm thankful everyday that a person has the balls to stream the GSL/GSTL for me, they are lifesavers!
Grobyc just keep ya head up and keeeeeep on streaming
On March 21 2011 23:06 Grobyc wrote: No I haven't contacted GOM directly yet, I'll do that now. I don't care for arguing my livestream channel back, but I would like to see where they got this screenshot from. I stopped watching GSL near the end of the first season, and I haven't seen a game since. The only possible way they could have a screenshot showing me resteaming illegally would be a) another producer on my channel was streaming for whatever reason (I had probably about 7-8 other people will producer capabilities) b) the screenshot isn't real
No one have reacted to this post ? If I understand it correctly, there are like 8 other people with the login/password of your account, and you don't know if or what they are streaming. Have you asked them if they have re-streamed GSL ? (I guess they would answer "no" even if they had a good % of the time to not be blamed) And with this new information people here still think GOM has randomly asked a ban and photoshoped a screenshot instead of accepting the more probable answer : one of the other person who use this account have really re-streamed GSL...
My understanding of the situation may be flawed, but did GOM kinda screw themselves when they said it was a game from "last night at time X" and there wasn't a single GOM broadcast on at that time, but proleague was on?
While it's possible that someone was re-streaming GSL/streaming a VOD without Grobyc's knowledge, the fact that GOM is claiming it was a re-stream of a live broadcast during a time that nothing was happening is pretty fishy.
Normally, I stay right out of these BW vs SC2 / GOM vs kespa arguments because I like both games and would like them both to succeed... but if they don't post the screenshot or give it to Grobyc soon... Wow.. -SHIT- PR move...
On March 21 2011 23:06 Grobyc wrote: No I haven't contacted GOM directly yet, I'll do that now. I don't care for arguing my livestream channel back, but I would like to see where they got this screenshot from. I stopped watching GSL near the end of the first season, and I haven't seen a game since. The only possible way they could have a screenshot showing me resteaming illegally would be a) another producer on my channel was streaming for whatever reason (I had probably about 7-8 other people will producer capabilities) b) the screenshot isn't real
No one have reacted to this post ? If I understand it correctly, there are like 8 other people with the login/password of your account, and you don't know if or what they are streaming. Have you asked them if they have re-streamed GSL ? (I guess they would answer "no" even if they had a good % of the time to not be blamed) And with this new information people here still think GOM has randomly asked a ban and photoshoped a screenshot instead of accepting the more probable answer : one of the other person who use this account have really re-streamed GSL...
They don't have the login of my account. If they are producers then they can broadcast to my channel with their livestream ID using procaster. Whether or not they would use my channel for such blasphemy is beyond me, but it's said and done with now, so I'm not going to go around asking everybody.
What I don't understand is that you knew a lot of people could have used your account, but your first thought was "GOM is screwing me for no reason". It's like you have a safe in a bank, 10 peoples have the key. One day you open it and the money is gone, and you think "Wow, the bank have stolen my money !". (Obviously a bank is less likely to do this than GOM really screwing up, I know) I mean, there are a lot of broodwar restream chans who never had problem for a long time, I would assume that one of the other 8 producers have screwed up before assuming anything else. This doesn't make a lot of sense.
I didn't just give a dozen people complete access to my stream you know... I know all the moderators on my stream well enough that I don't believe they would even think of it. 90% of the people that had the access don't like SC2 anyway...
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
So it's not probably out of the question. In fact, we're questioning it until we get proof! :O can you believe the nerve of us??? Asking for the screenshot they'd happily present!
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
So it's not probably out of the question. In fact, we're questioning it until we get proof! :O can you believe the nerve of us??? Asking for the screenshot they'd happily present!
On March 26 2011 16:07 Inori wrote: Oh, my bad. If only they invented a way to see a video after it's been broadcasted. Like a video. Only on demand. Oh I wish..
The fact that they're not releasing SS is weird, I agree with that.
Dang, I was gonna argue that no one who doesn't follow GOM would buy the videos (AKA Grobyc) but the other people... :/ Either way, I think Grobyc's in the clear for sure.
On March 26 2011 06:37 Grobyc wrote: I didn't just give a dozen people complete access to my stream you know... I know all the moderators on my stream well enough that I don't believe they would even think of it. 90% of the people that had the access don't like SC2 anyway...
Wait, what?
So when you have a choice of a.) out of a bunch of people one turns out to be an idiot or b.) a company as big as GOM has a personal vendetta against you and would go as far as photoshopping SS (which is illegal btw) to prove them right
you immediately think it's b without even considering a? What???
When did I say I immediately thought it was that second option? I have no idea where you are accumulating these thoughts from.
GOM has ownership over BW and GSL broadcasting rights. They can legally shutdown a pro scene restream of mine if they like. I never said they had a vendetta against me or anything of that sort. In the OP I just posted a portion of the email I got from livestream, which doesn't even say what copyrighted content I was streaming. For all I know they could have been planning to shut down all sorts of BW streams. Any part of me that was being serious about them photoshopping a SS wouldn't have even crossed my mind until GOMTV posted saying that they had one of me streaming GSL. That was also around the time that I clued in that other people had broadcasting access to my livestream. I simply posted my situation; there was no rant or rage towards anybody in my original post. How the hell did you come to the conclusion that I immediately thought I GOM was out to get me personally?
I also do trust the moderators I had well enough to not be an idiot, and they know it. I trust them well enough that I would consider your option b long before I assumed someone wanted to screw me over, and I was nowhere near coming to that conclusion...
I think someone with a GOM account should make a thread on their forums about this incident seeing how that got their attention the first time. I really want to see that screenshot... and I've been stalking this blog for days =.=
Since it's been a few days I left a thread on their World Championship forums. It'll definitely be moderated but someone who needs to see it might see it first.
They won't think I'm some rabid Gom hater because I have a subscription to every single GSL event so far
LOL AHAHAAHAHAH ARE YOU SERIOUS? That's the fucking size they sent me too. I can't even make out a fucking livestream logo in the picture LOL, nonetheless any proof that it would have been my stream if they did. The grobycsstarcraft print on there was obviously added manually after the "screenshot" was taken along with those other numbers for reference; they don't tell us anything about the actual screenshot. I rest my fucking case, if this is the best they've got I'm 100% content.
LOL AHAHAAHAHAH ARE YOU SERIOUS? That's the fucking size they sent me too. I can't even make out a fucking livestream logo in the picture LOL, nonetheless any proof that it would have been my stream if they did. The grobycsstarcraft print on there was obviously added manually after the "screenshot" was taken along with those other numbers for reference; they don't tell us anything about the actual screenshot. I rest my fucking case, if this is the best they've got I'm 100% content.
We can't see the image, I don't think you can link attachments like that.
LOL AHAHAAHAHAH ARE YOU SERIOUS? That's the fucking size they sent me too. I can't even make out a fucking livestream logo in the picture LOL, nonetheless any proof that it would have been my stream if they did. The grobycsstarcraft print on there was obviously added manually after the "screenshot" was taken along with those other numbers for reference; they don't tell us anything about the actual screenshot. I rest my fucking case, if this is the best they've got I'm 100% content.
We can't see the image, I don't think you can link attachments like that.
Agreed. I've been waiting an eternity for GOM's proof, so it's rather anti-climatic to have the proof before my eyes in a broken link.
On March 28 2011 23:32 Shana wrote: What the fuck is that image
Haha. My thoughts exactly.
I assume that it's only a slice from a larger list, with the rest of the list being whited out (assuming the image is real).
Nevertheless, this still seems like a rather anti-climatic revelation in this string of events. It only raises more questions than it answers, and I'm like "wtf, lol."
Honestly it wouldnt surprise me at all, if you were in gom's position and you needed your company to survive it would only make sense to shut down every single BW stream out there
Zooming in on the gomtv logo you can see the blur is different as the other pixels. My conclusion The logo is fotoshopped in. Blur should be almost constant across the screen but you can clearly see a rectangle where the GOMTV logo was edited.
On March 28 2011 23:39 Marradron wrote: Zooming in on the gomtv logo you can see the blur is different as the other pixels. My conclusion The logo is fotoshopped in. Blur should be almost constant across the screen but you can clearly see a rectangle where the GOMTV logo was edited.
Yeah I picked up on that too. Looks suspicious, but it still doesn't even prove anything as it is. I'm rolling on the floor laughing here :>
On March 28 2011 23:41 floor exercise wrote: May I present to the jury exhibit B
Incontrovertible proof that Grobysc infringed on the rights of one Gretech Corp.
That is conclusive, there is no question about it. I'm so disappointed in you grobyc, i thought of you highly, i am disgusted that you have streamed GOM content.
If you take a screen shot of a vod and zoom in the logo does the same pixelization. My guess is because it is a rectangle done with a transparent layer so it looks like it was photoshopped because it is a photoshopped layer with some transparency. Either way that is a weak screenshot.
On March 29 2011 00:44 Kralic wrote: If you take a screen shot of a vod and zoom in the logo does the same pixelization. My guess is because it is a rectangle done with a transparent layer so it looks like it was photoshopped because it is a photoshopped layer with some transparency. Either way that is a weak screenshot.
SO it is either GOMTV screenshotting their own VOD. Or grobyc was watching a VOD with his stream on ? Either way gotta agree that it is a weak screenshot giving no proof whatsoever. They say they make screenshots. Well i want to see a screenshot of the entire browser with the livestream window, adress bar, time and everything. This picture was like 200-350 pixels or something. If you take a normal screenshot it should still have the ammount of pixels of your screen.
That's not a screenshot really, it's scaled down so much DX. A screenshot should be the size of the screen lol. Alt + Print Screen would easily give a way better resolution picture, so I still haven't seen much proof at all. Nice picture they made though, I'm glad they showed me some probes mining on Scrap Station.
While I'm certainly not siding with GOM on this as anyone who's watched my stream can attest, I would like to point out one thing. No other BW streams have been shut down by GOM except Grobyc's. If they really were executing some evil plan to eliminate all BW streams, wouldn't they have reported several other (if not all) of the regular/high-profile BW streamers?
LOL AHAHAAHAHAH ARE YOU SERIOUS? That's the fucking size they sent me too. I can't even make out a fucking livestream logo in the picture LOL, nonetheless any proof that it would have been my stream if they did. The grobycsstarcraft print on there was obviously added manually after the "screenshot" was taken along with those other numbers for reference; they don't tell us anything about the actual screenshot. I rest my fucking case, if this is the best they've got I'm 100% content.
It's kind of ironic that Gretech/GomTV out of all companies are charging large fees on MBC/OGN to ensure that broadcasters are of significant quality and are willing to put in the work when they do shit like this (and the entirety of GSL, but that's okay, GSL is going to die in Korea anyway).
On March 29 2011 02:02 Inori wrote: SS looks weird, yes, but I'm still not buying the "GOM has a personal vendetta against me and will go as far as photoshop SS to stop me".
They didn't close a single BW stream before/after, so let's get the "oh noes, they're after my precious BW" out of the way. It's either a.) Out of a bunch of people that had access to streaming rights fucked up (very likely) b.) GOM fucked up (maybe, but up until now if they made a mistake they admitted and apologized, so I prefer to believe that's not it. Especially now after they released a SS (anyone seriously thinking a company as big as GOM would go as far as photoshop a SS over some dude on the internet should get himself checked)) c.) GOM has personal vendetta (probably it!!)
Also livestream admins aren't stupid. They most likely have means to check logs and such. If they felt like this SS was enough of a proof, then it probably was, no matter how it looks to others.
TL;DL: rofl @ GOM bashers.
where the hell are you getting that from? I clearly said in my last reply to you I didn't feel that. Did you even read that post? You may find it likely my admins broadcasted GSL on my stream, but you don't even know how. How can you claim that? I know them all very well and I find it unlikely.
On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote: Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta
Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell.
On March 29 2011 01:13 Sayle wrote: While I'm certainly not siding with GOM on this as anyone who's watched my stream can attest, I would like to point out one thing. No other BW streams have been shut down by GOM except Grobyc's. If they really were executing some evil plan to eliminate all BW streams, wouldn't they have reported several other (if not all) of the regular/high-profile BW streamers?
And yes, WTF is that image O_o
Killing BW streams slowly ensures there will still be users like "Inori" that will suck their dick regardless of how ridiculous the screenshot is.
On March 29 2011 01:13 Sayle wrote: While I'm certainly not siding with GOM on this as anyone who's watched my stream can attest, I would like to point out one thing. No other BW streams have been shut down by GOM except Grobyc's. If they really were executing some evil plan to eliminate all BW streams, wouldn't they have reported several other (if not all) of the regular/high-profile BW streamers?
And yes, WTF is that image O_o
Killing BW streams slowly ensures there will still be users like "Inori" that will suck their dick regardless of how ridiculous the screenshot is.
I want to agree with you too but the thing is that until and unless they kill another person's stream I cannot.
But to be honest livestream sucks compared to other streaming websites.
I'm also sure that there is a perfectly reasonable explaination to all this nonsense.
On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote: Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta
Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell.
If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them.
Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say.
I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up.
On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote: Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta
Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell.
If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them.
Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say.
I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up.
I probably follow BW more religiously than a lot of people in here, but it sounds so ridiculous what people are trying here.
What is more likely: 1. One of the administrators of his stream shows GSL game, by mistake, whatever reason.
2. A huge company messes up, that company is known for often admitting where they have errors or say they can do things differently. But in this case, instead of admitting that they made 1 little error when shutting down restreams when they could easily just say they made an error and are sorry and know people would be perfectly fine with that, decide to photoshop a screenshot to not look foolish.
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Thank you! I was beginning to think BW community is filled with people that prefer to believe in conspiracy theories, rather than common sense.
GSL restreams aren't allowed on TL anyway. That doesn't make any sense lol.
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote: The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote: The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote: The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.
Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?
I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
There is no evidence what so ever that it was taken at his stream. It could have been anybodys. If they want to shut somebodys livestream down they better have good proof. This is just some random screenshot with suspicious quality. I would not accept this as evidence.
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote: The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.
Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?
I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
If its a SCREEN shot, where is the rest of the screen? And what GSL game is occuring? These are the issues most people in the thread have with the evidence provided by GOM. GOM stated the timeframe when the screen shot was taken, however, no GSL games were played then. The picture appears to be a screencapture of a GSL game, however, there is nothing in the capture that connects it to Grobyc's stream. It could be from ANY stream or VOD. Is it too much to ask for legitamate proof to shut down a stream?
On March 29 2011 03:46 Inori wrote:Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?
I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
They obviously found it worthy enough to post in this thread multiple times.
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote: The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.
Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?
I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
There is no evidence what so ever that it was taken at his stream. It could have been anybodys. If they want to shut somebodys livestream down they better have good proof. This is just some random screenshot with suspicious quality. I would not accept this as evidence.
Exactly. That screent proves nothing. It is a horrible quality screenshot of a VOD with some text they put beside it saying it was from my stream. There's no way that is evidence. And no Inori, I don't think it's a personal vendetta still, why would I? I think it's more likely they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up. The point is that the screenshot proves nothing, and unless they took down my stream from streaming BW I don't think it was justified.
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote: The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.
Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?
I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
So you can niether confirm nor deny that some company/person did or did not do something that may or may not make sense... Shut up already. The main point is that this screen shot really doesn't prove anything and this move is currently raising doubt about GOM's intentions with getting grobyc's stream shut down. These doubts are... just doubts. Why would GOM present such terrible evidence? Whether or not that screen shot is actually good evidence, should not be up for discussion. It obviously isn't. Option 1: GOM is really just that stupid. - And livestream.com equally so and/or just won't risk anything with GOM. Option 2: They're hiding something. There is no way of telling what that something is.
Honestly if I was banned from my stream due to content I never have been shown, I'd be complaining with best of my abilities as well- and why not? It is my right. It is simple-minded to summarize Grobyc's actions as mere vendetta.
I remember when cable company once sent me a bill significantly higher than what I usually payed; I called them up and fought with them over half an hour, whoopedoo turns out they were wrong. I'd guess some people would just try to stay 'impartial' to their misfortunes and submissively take the unjust penalty without complaint or something.
On March 29 2011 04:20 Hesmyrr wrote: Honestly if I was banned from my stream due to content I never have been shown, I'd be complaining with best of my abilities as well- and why not? It is my right. It is simple-minded to summarize Grobyc's actions as mere vendetta.
I remember when cable company once sent me a bill significantly higher than what I usually payed; I called them up and fought with them over half an hour, whoopedoo turns out they were wrong. I'd guess some people would just try to stay 'impartial' to their misfortunes and submissively take the unjust penalty without complaint or something.
That's why I brought it up. Not only am I a pushover if I simply let something slide I'm not accountable for, but it's an embarassment to me and makes me look silly.
And about GOM not keeping SS to use as proof for my eyes, that's just stupid. You would really hold proof to something and not show it to someone because you don't feel obligated to when they ask? That comes off as extremely ignorant to me.
On March 29 2011 04:20 Hesmyrr wrote: Honestly if I was banned from my stream due to content I never have been shown, I'd be complaining with best of my abilities as well- and why not? It is my right. It is simple-minded to summarize Grobyc's actions as mere vendetta.
I remember when cable company once sent me a bill significantly higher than what I usually payed; I called them up and fought with them over half an hour, whoopedoo turns out they were wrong. I'd guess some people would just try to stay 'impartial' to their misfortunes and submissively take the unjust penalty without complaint or something.
Would you also go fight with the company and try to get public attention to the issue, knowing that there were 10 people living in your house without even taking the time to ask if it was their fault?
Yeah I would, because I trust them enough that they have to respect to not do such a thing. Am I taking a chance from doing that? Yes, but I'm confident enough in my moderators that they wouldn't do such a thing. Can you give up on that argument now? I've said I trust them enough to not consider it likely, and the screenshot provided shows no actual proof of ANYONE restreaming GSL on my account.
On March 29 2011 04:20 Hesmyrr wrote: Honestly if I was banned from my stream due to content I never have been shown, I'd be complaining with best of my abilities as well- and why not? It is my right. It is simple-minded to summarize Grobyc's actions as mere vendetta.
I remember when cable company once sent me a bill significantly higher than what I usually payed; I called them up and fought with them over half an hour, whoopedoo turns out they were wrong. I'd guess some people would just try to stay 'impartial' to their misfortunes and submissively take the unjust penalty without complaint or something.
Would you also go fight with the company and try to get public attention to the issue, knowing that there were 10 people living in your house without even taking the time to ask if it was their fault?
Meh, I guess not though I think the timing of the event justifiably makes it much more politicized than my example. Also note that I was able to resolve my concerns quickly, contrary to this situation which is pity because it would be nice for all this uncertainty to be concluded once and for all. How long it takes for the communication between Grobyc and GOM to progress is pretty disappointing.
A.K.A. I mean, by act of calling itself I "fought". Since my concern was addressed quickly, there was no longer need for more.
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote: The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.
Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?
I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
Fuck you, man ! Andy Dufresne got a lifetime sentence despite the fact the police had nothing on him. Now you come here and preach whats common sense and you are calling out the BW community ? Speaking of common sense that SS cannot be serious, I'm really terrible at photoshop and I could do better than that. And how is that thread not going anywhere? No matter what happened GOM are just failing to defend themselves or to justify their actions. If they made a mistake its ok to admit it, with a SS like that they are making themselves look utterly incompetent. Not that I care much about what you have to say but I got fucking annoyed from you trying to steer the thread.
On March 29 2011 03:12 zeru wrote: The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Not saying that the image was photoshopped but it definitely doesn't prove anything. You'd think they would take a screenshot that would actually clear any doubts about their actions since they're such huge company as you say... but nooooo they didn't.
Yup, regardless of a GOM mistake, conspiracy, or coverup, they've been incredibly incompetent during this whole fiasco. Their 'proof' doesn't prove anything at all.
Doesn't prove anything to who? to you? who are you?
I'm pretty sure when somebody from GOM takes SS it's to prove something to livestream admins and/or some higher ups in their company, not random dudes on tl.net.
Fuck you, man ! Andy Dufresne got a lifetime sentence despite the fact the police had nothing on him. Now you come here and preach whats common sense and you are calling out the BW community ? Speaking of common sense that SS cannot be serious, I'm really terrible at photoshop and I could do better than that. And how is that thread not going anywhere? No matter what happened GOM are just failing to defend themselves or to justify their actions. If they made a mistake its ok to admit it, with a SS like that they are making themselves look utterly incompetent. Not that I care much about what you have to say but I got fucking annoyed from you trying to steer the thread.
You don't even understand what the SS is showing. Do you not see that it is a screenshot of either GOM or livestreams list of banned streams? If you actually don't think Gom could've actually photoshopped a picture together to look like his livestream site i dont know what to say... Sometimes the BW community really makes me facepalm, thank god the SC2 one hasn't set the bar that high.
And he is right, this thread is going nowhere. It's gonna be a clash of opinions in this thread in the end anyway. One side claiming logic is on their side and that Gom probably is right and maybe one of grobycs mods did it. Then the other side saying Gom made a mistake and instead of admitting it they try to cover it up.
Unless livestream admins have some magic stored up to save the day all we have is opinions, a screenshot, and not a single way to prove any side right or wrong. Especially since screenshots are photoshoppable.
The only thing i'd even bother to complain about is how long it took for the response, but w/e.
dude I can photoshop you shaking hands with Nelson Mandela inside that picture and it will look like it really happened. SS is the most ridiculous way to prove something like that. I dont think you even bothered reading my post but whatever
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
Thank you. GOMtv.net
This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.
5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.
FURTHERMORE: From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
Thank you. GOMtv.net
This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.
5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.
FURTHERMORE: From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.
RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
VoDs. It being non-live is actually what makes me think GOM was right. Could easily be someone with access to the account watching with some friends by restreaming.
In any case, that's a very, very weak screenshot. Outside of the logo, there is no other indication that it is a GSL or GSTL game.
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
Thank you. GOMtv.net
This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.
5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.
FURTHERMORE: From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.
RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
VoDs. It being non-live is actually what makes me think GOM was right. Could easily be someone with access to the account watching with some friends by restreaming.
And GOM just so happens to stumble onto the stream? I find it odd that no one on TL ever witnessed grobyc's livestream account streaming GSL yet GOM was able to.
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
Thank you. GOMtv.net
This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.
5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.
FURTHERMORE: From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.
RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
VoDs. It being non-live is actually what makes me think GOM was right. Could easily be someone with access to the account watching with some friends by restreaming.
And GOM just so happens to stumble onto the stream? I find it odd that no one on TL ever witnessed grobyc's livestream account streaming GSL yet GOM was able to.
Eh, anyone can report restreams, hell even i have reported several restreams myself.
Who would report it? The small group of friends, you used as an example, that were watching the VOD together?
Actually come to think of it, I recall grobyc's stream as one of the lower quality streams. As in, even BW looked kinda crappy when he streamed it. Supposing that GOMtv's logo is there to begin with and he did restream it, why would the difference in pixelation be so different anyways?
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
Thank you. GOMtv.net
This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.
5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.
FURTHERMORE: From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.
RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
VoDs. It being non-live is actually what makes me think GOM was right. Could easily be someone with access to the account watching with some friends by restreaming.
And GOM just so happens to stumble onto the stream? I find it odd that no one on TL ever witnessed grobyc's livestream account streaming GSL yet GOM was able to.
Eh, anyone can report restreams, hell even i have reported several restreams myself.
Who would report it? The small group of friends, you used as an example, that were watching the VOD together?
No idea, but if you "follow" a stream it notifies you when it goes online.
I guess that makes sense... but these specific situations are still very unlikely.
On March 29 2011 05:40 Megaliskuu wrote: Also don't gsl vods always have the standard overlay with player names etc. on there? Why doesn't the screenshot provided have it?
On March 29 2011 05:40 Megaliskuu wrote: Also don't gsl vods always have the standard overlay with player names etc. on there? Why doesn't the screenshot provided have it?
Wow is that true?
From the looks of the screenshot, it looks like it could've been taken during the early game shortly after the announcer shouts out the player names but before the overlays start fading in.
On March 11 2011 14:42 GOMTV wrote: When we take down a re-stream we make sure to take a screenshot of each illegal re-stream.
At 09 Mar 2011 05:45 (UTC) we found livestream.com/grobycsstarcraftstream streaming a content with visible GOMTV.net logo (GSL series) on the top right and have requested for the takedown of the illegal restream.
We have checked the screenshot taken at the time againt today and we have verified that there was no mistake with our decision.
If you truly believe that we have unreasonably requested for the termination of your livestream account then we suggest you contact livestream and GOMtv.net.
P.S. We have been taking down the materials that violate our copyrights such as GSTL and GSL series.. That means that we have not been taking down BW materials.
Thank you. GOMtv.net
This is completely impossible given the evidence that grobyc has received.
5:45 UTC converts to 14:45 KST. Incidentally, no GSL match occurred at this time, as Ryo has pointed out, check the calendar if you want.
FURTHERMORE: From the screenshot, it is a PvX on Scrap Station. There were no PvX on Scrap Station on either March 8th or 9th.
RESTREAMING GOM!? RESTREAMING WHAT?!
VoDs. It being non-live is actually what makes me think GOM was right. Could easily be someone with access to the account watching with some friends by restreaming.
And GOM just so happens to stumble onto the stream? I find it odd that no one on TL ever witnessed grobyc's livestream account streaming GSL yet GOM was able to.
Eh, anyone can report restreams, hell even i have reported several restreams myself.
Who would report it? The small group of friends, you used as an example, that were watching the VOD together?
No idea, but if you "follow" a stream it notifies you when it goes online.
Where is that option? Either my scripts are blocking it or such a function doesn't exist on livestream.com(or I'm just blind, rarely use it nowadays anyway).
On March 29 2011 05:52 Megaliskuu wrote: Well from looking at the vods, it seems the overlay is not there for the first few seconds of the game..so I guess I've proved nothing ;;.
Well, GOM has to prove something first anyway. So far, we only have a picture and not even a screenshot which is completely useless.
On March 29 2011 06:06 etheovermind wrote: Why doesn't Gom actually post a screenshot of the stream rather than zooming in on the screen? You can't even see whether or not it really is Grobyc.
Because they don't give a shit about what a few people on a forum want. They did what they did and a bunch of angry nerds aren't going to scare them.
I suggest everyone just get over it as Grobyc already has. It's not the end of the world, and it's not the end of GOM's popularity. Getting mad about it will only ruin your day, not GOM's.
On March 29 2011 02:42 zeru wrote: if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them. .
Haven't really kept myself abreast with all things GOM, but up until 2009 they've been operating out of an old high school building. When I took a peek at the latest finals, in hope of catching sight of some lip-synching Secret, I found myself looking at a chart made by the their graphics department wherein player names were exploding through the margins of the graph.
I, personally, would not go around making assumptions that they have access to 'professionals'.
Well I'm just happy that they couldn't provided proper proof of me restreaming GSL, because I know I didn't. There's no way what they provided proves I did anything wrong, and I didn't expect anything less. I think I've been honest and I don't think GOM successfully achieved anything through this. If anything they have lost support. You guys can keep up the discussion if you like, but I don't think there's anything I need to say anymore.
This seems to be pretty consistent with GOM's ability to produce quality products. The only thing that would make this more GOM is if they charged you 20 dollars to view the screen shot and it didn't load half the time.
On March 29 2011 06:39 Grobyc wrote: Well I'm just happy that they couldn't provided proper proof of me restreaming GSL, because I know I didn't. There's no way what they provided proves I did anything wrong, and I didn't expect anything less. I think I've been honest and I don't think GOM successfully achieved anything through this. If anything they have lost support. You guys can keep up the discussion if you like, but I don't think there's anything I need to say anymore.
ditto. GOM lost my support long ago and I'm stopping completely. if i do end up watching sc2, it certainly wont be GSL.
Totally baffling from Gom. I can't make sense of it. If they want to shut down BW streams, why not just do it? If it's a personal vendetta against Grobyc, why not just send assassins to his house? If somehow, someway, GSL really got onto Grobyc's stream, then wtf is that screenshot? Do you guys think this might be some kind of ARG?
Just to clear things up, I will explain how the livestream takedown tool works. A screenshot of what the channel is broadcasting at the time when a takedown is issued is automatically taken by the system. And the list of the takedowns are saved.
A poor word choice by us perhaps but the 'screenshot' given to the user is from that list. We believe this 'proof' is something that will hold its ground at the court trials.
With that being said, I personally do not know who the user is and many of us do not. Do not take this the wrong way but we do not have so much free time on our hands or hold personal grudges to go after a specific user. We have simply seen our content being broadcasted illegally and issued a take down of the channel. Nothing more, nothing less.
Please note that we only request for takedowns of our 'own content', not BW contents created by other companies.
Livestream suggests that if you have a definite proof to show that you have been wrongly accused, to contact them with a notice under proper DMCA counter notice guideline. You could contact them personally to obtain a better 'proof' from them if you wish. We will be glad to be proved that we have wrongly accused of you illegally restreaming our GSL, StarCraft 2 content.
We will not be responding to this thread anymore and like we have suggested in the e-mail if you have problems, we recommend contacting our legal team and Livestream.
P.S. Some of you were confused about the time. The channel was found broadcasting a GSL match at 05:45 AM EST on March 9th, 2011 (UTC of Livestream, which is located in NY, USA) which translates into 7:45 PM KST on March 9th, 2011 (before daylight savings). Code A Semifinals match was being broadcasted at the time. SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
Edit: It does seem like I have mistaken the infringing material as a match from Code A Semifinals and I do apologize for the mistake. Please note that not only restreaming our content but having VODs of our content on the channel could be subjected to your channel being shutdown.
And I do realize my word choices and ability to express are quite limited. When I said we do not have 'free time' I was pointing out that we do not flag one user and follow his every single move on the Internet.
I've been following this thread and reading the comments but I feel the need to break down, question and make comments on GOM's latest comments....
A screenshot of what the channel is broadcasting at the time when a takedown is issued is automatically taken by the system. And the list of the takedowns are saved.
Exhibit #1: So GOM claims that at any given time and day, whatever content a channel may have at that point of the time is automatically recorded by the livestream system and saved. So they can look through any and every single channel that may have some sort of relation to GSL, SC2, w/e and claim that "screenshot" was taken at the time they mentioned and is sufficient evidence to claim copyright infringement and a takedown at end result?
A poor word choice by us perhaps but the 'screenshot' given to the user is from that list. We believe this 'proof' is something that will hold its ground at the court trials.
Exhibit #2: So GOM claims that this screenshot is from Groybc's channel at the time and this is enough evidence to win a possible court case against Groybc, implying they are strongly holding their ground and claim they are absolutely confident the jury, the lawyer, and the judge would accept this single piece of picture into their favor?
Livestream suggests that if you have a definite proof to show that you have been wrongly accused, to contact them with a notice under proper DMCA counter notice guideline. You could contact them personally to obtain a better 'proof' from them if you wish. We will be glad to be proved that we have wrongly accused of you illegally restreaming our GSL, StarCraft 2 content.
Exhibit #3: After stating that their one evidence is more than enough to take down Groybc's stream, they are reassuring and challenging their statement and word to contact livestream directly onwards regarding this issue and dare to be proven wrong to GOM. Overconfident?
There's other things I want to go on but these three just mind boggles me. From these statement, I get the feeling GOM is so overconfident and correct of their statement that they are even willing to go to the court in order to prove themselves the absolute victor. They indirectly stated of a possible mistake could happen but are only willing if Groybc invest more of his time to prove his innocence which doesn't even guarantee his release nor promise anything except telling him that they will be "glad" to be proved wrong, giving him a dare contest with the darer not losing anything because everything they did was completely right (which I'm not objecting to that part but makes you wonder of a company that's supported and build largely on community..). Finally as if that isn't enough, GOM concluded their case and now tells Grobyc to take it to livestream and don't come back to them unless Grobyc have something that accepts GOM to be proven wrong. That's real nice GOM, real nice for a company that builds its success on community and PRs and popularity.
Now free feel for anyone to correct me if I was wrong or misguided at any form or any way but this is how I saw GOM's message display to Grobyc and to us, the community. Also feel free to pick at other things I didn't pick out on the message since I only saw these three parts in my eyes to comment on.
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: P.S. Some of you were confused about the time. The channel was found broadcasting a GSL match at 05:45 AM EST on March 9th, 2011 (UTC of Livestream, which is located in NY, USA) which translates into 7:45 PM KST on March 9th, 2011 (before daylight savings). Code A Semifinals match was being broadcasted at the time. SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: P.S. Some of you were confused about the time. The channel was found broadcasting a GSL match at 05:45 AM EST on March 9th, 2011 (UTC of Livestream, which is located in NY, USA) which translates into 7:45 PM KST on March 9th, 2011 (before daylight savings). Code A Semifinals match was being broadcasted at the time. SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
I don't know about GSL because I don't watch it but according to the LR thread, the matches ended at about 7:06 PM KST. So...I guess they show the replays like 40 minutes later? But that doesn't even matter. The map on the screenshot is Scrap Station, but that can't be, because...
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: P.S. Some of you were confused about the time. The channel was found broadcasting a GSL match at 05:45 AM EST on March 9th, 2011 (UTC of Livestream, which is located in NY, USA) which translates into 7:45 PM KST on March 9th, 2011 (before daylight savings). Code A Semifinals match was being broadcasted at the time. SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
On scrap station? nope.
Meh, started my post right before you wrote your one :/
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: P.S. Some of you were confused about the time. The channel was found broadcasting a GSL match at 05:45 AM EST on March 9th, 2011 (UTC of Livestream, which is located in NY, USA) which translates into 7:45 PM KST on March 9th, 2011 (before daylight savings). Code A Semifinals match was being broadcasted at the time. SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
I don't know about GSL because I don't watch it but according to the LR thread, the matches ended at about 7:06 PM KST. So...I guess they show the replays like 40 minutes later? But that doesn't even matter. The map on the screenshot is Scrap Station, but that can't be, because...
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: P.S. Some of you were confused about the time. The channel was found broadcasting a GSL match at 05:45 AM EST on March 9th, 2011 (UTC of Livestream, which is located in NY, USA) which translates into 7:45 PM KST on March 9th, 2011 (before daylight savings). Code A Semifinals match was being broadcasted at the time. SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
On scrap station? nope.
Meh, started my post right before you wrote your one :/
Just to clear things up, I will explain how the livestream takedown tool works. A screenshot of what the channel is broadcasting at the time when a takedown is issued is automatically taken by the system. And the list of the takedowns are saved.
A poor word choice by us perhaps but the 'screenshot' given to the user is from that list. We believe this 'proof' is something that will hold its ground at the court trials.
With that being said, I personally do not know who the user is and many of us do not. Do not take this the wrong way but we do not have so much free time on our hands or hold personal grudges to go after a specific user. We have simply seen our content being broadcasted illegally and issued a take down of the channel. Nothing more, nothing less.
Please note that we only request for takedowns of our 'own content', not BW contents created by other companies.
Livestream suggests that if you have a definite proof to show that you have been wrongly accused, to contact them with a notice under proper DMCA counter notice guideline. You could contact them personally to obtain a better 'proof' from them if you wish. We will be glad to be proved that we have wrongly accused of you illegally restreaming our GSL, StarCraft 2 content.
We will not be responding to this thread anymore and like we have suggested in the e-mail if you have problems, we recommend contacting our legal team and Livestream.
P.S. Some of you were confused about the time. The channel was found broadcasting a GSL match at 05:45 AM EST on March 9th, 2011 (UTC of Livestream, which is located in NY, USA) which translates into 7:45 PM KST on March 9th, 2011 (before daylight savings). Code A Semifinals match was being broadcasted at the time. SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
Why are you posting wrong information and calling it proof and threatening legal action. I find this very confusing. So glad BW is still going strong
LOL hahaha ok I know I said I was done, but that last GOM post warrants another reply.
a) How do you expect me to prove I didn't stream something? That's virtually impossible. You make say that evidences holds in court, but I could care less because it doesn't change the fact that people can clearly see it proves nothing, and I have no reason to go to court internationally for something ridiculous like this, especially since I've already changed stream providers.
b) The time you said the restream was change. It was 9:45pm PST (or PDT or something) before. Now it's 2:45am PST/PDT? I work every morning at 8am, there's no way I was even awake during that time. Now you can say that just means it was another producer on my channel and not me, but that doesn't change anything. I'll even prove I work 8am every weekday fulltime: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=169891 <- second paragraph. no chance in hell I was even awake at that time.
c) I don't follow SC2 so I'm glad it was posted, but there was no game on scrap station apparently ahaha, and the proof was posted. You want me to prove I didn't do it anyways? There you go.
This has gotten good. I would have been completely content not escalating this and leaving this as a standard blog, but I guess that couldn't happen.
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: we do not have so much free time on our hands
What GOM does not have free time on their hands for: -Doing something as basic as creating clear, clean graphics for something as important as a finals match -Fact checking your summations -Having their English speakers un-Engrish their music video information.
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: we do not have so much free time on our hands
What GOM does not have free time on their hands for: -Doing something as basic as creating clear, clean graphics for something as important as a finals match -Fact checking your summations -Having their English speakers un-Engrish their music video information.
Seminars on time management, imo.
How to efficiently use time to dominate and exercise control over an internet media in Starcraft streams??
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: we do not have so much free time on our hands
What GOM does not have free time on their hands for: -Doing something as basic as creating clear, clean graphics for something as important as a finals match -Fact checking your summations -Having their English speakers un-Engrish their music video information.
Seminars on time management, imo.
korean-engrish tradition of game companies. who would dare break it?
when trying to make teamliquid believe something... you better damn well make it bulletproof
Like I previously mentioned in my post way earlier in this thread, they created themselves in their 3-way lose-lose-lose situation and they better do something or they lose it all!
I like to see any of those posters earlier in the pages who supported GomTV and/or criticized Grobyc to come out and comment on this latest development. I'm curious of their thoughts and comments.
It seems pretty convenient that they will no longer respond to this thread. They know they can't defend themselves.
Let me get this straight...rather than conducting due diligence, they threw up a random screenshot of an illegal restream, claim it as irrefutable proof, and run away back to the shadows. That picture no longer holds up in court anyway with the list of matches played that night. All this incident tells me is that they simply take us as fools.
From what I see: Livestream's copyright crawler picks up grobyc's channel and reports it to GomTV. GomTV looks at the screenshot and verifies there is a GomTV logo and checks the time to see that it is a plausible time for a restream to be happening. GomTV clicks a yes box on the report like the many other reports it probably has to deal with. GomTV saves a copy of the report for bookkeeping.
Issues: - If GomTV's screenshot is straight from Livestream and thats all Livestream gives them to work with, then its pretty fair to file the claim. Once another SCBW site used banners remarkably similar to ones that I made for TL except with a giant white box over where I wrote TL and I figured it was good enough evidence of theft.
- Discolouration: If you want to prove something, you should check another GomTV vod to see if that has discoloration around the watermark too. Maybe even try compressing it too
- Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc.
right now what i'm wondering is how many vods we would have to go through to either find out what game that was or determine that no such game exists. we know it's a protoss vs not-zerg on scrap station, we know the position of the protoss, and we can see the hotkeys. maybe it is possible to read the player name on that probe? probably not. if anyone has a lot of time to waste...
edit: actually you need access to vods to do that which is a nontrivial requirement
On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote: This really shouldn't be such a big deal.
From what I see: Livestream's copyright crawler picks up grobyc's channel and reports it to GomTV. GomTV looks at the screenshot and verifies there is a GomTV logo and checks the time to see that it is a plausible time for a restream to be happening. GomTV clicks a yes box on the report like the many other reports it probably has to deal with. GomTV saves a copy of the report for bookkeeping.
Issues: - If GomTV's screenshot is straight from Livestream and thats all Livestream gives them to work with, then its pretty fair to file the claim. Once another SCBW site used banners remarkably similar to ones that I made for TL except with a giant white box over where I wrote TL and I figured it was good enough evidence of theft.
- Discolouration: If you want to prove something, you should check another GomTV vod to see if that has discoloration around the watermark too. Maybe even try compressing it too
- Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc.
I agree and disagree with this.
Yes from their GomTV standpoint, it was legit and reasonable to what they did to some extent. They obviously didn't clarify much into details for us, the community, to see so many flaws (which is a huge huge mistake for GomTV and PR disaster too) out in open to pull. And I know they stated they don't have "too much free time" in their hands yet they had enough to care to do this and even post several posts in this thread, not one, two but enough to use their free time resource on this. But really, is it not common sense to know what is favorable and justice/injustice in terms of public eye and the community vs their own strict policy causing them more harm than good? If that's the stance they want to take, then fine, but don't say we didn't told you so when things get worse because they were too ignorant of their demise.
On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote: This really shouldn't be such a big deal.
From what I see: Livestream's copyright crawler picks up grobyc's channel and reports it to GomTV. GomTV looks at the screenshot and verifies there is a GomTV logo and checks the time to see that it is a plausible time for a restream to be happening. GomTV clicks a yes box on the report like the many other reports it probably has to deal with. GomTV saves a copy of the report for bookkeeping.
Issues: - If GomTV's screenshot is straight from Livestream and thats all Livestream gives them to work with, then its pretty fair to file the claim. Once another SCBW site used banners remarkably similar to ones that I made for TL except with a giant white box over where I wrote TL and I figured it was good enough evidence of theft.
- Discolouration: If you want to prove something, you should check another GomTV vod to see if that has discoloration around the watermark too. Maybe even try compressing it too
- Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc.
GOM clearly said they took a screenshot of the restream; they weren't given anything from livestream to show me (http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=199701¤tpage=6#110)
Regardless of whether there is or is not a discolouration, the picture they posted proves nothing. It doesn't prove that it's a screenshot from my livestream, and it's not even of high enough quality to capture a livestream logo that appears on the stream if it existed either. Even if both of those were corrected, it is still completely nullified by the fact that the said game was not even played.
On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote: - Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc.
On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote: Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific.
At first we thought no games were played that night but now that they specified... well yea
On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote: - Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc.
On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote: Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific.
At first we thought no games were played but now that they specified... well yea
Good catch. Now the flaws thickens more. The longer they wait out, the louder this will get unless they try to clam the wave.... Will GomTV really sit quietly and do nothing now as they stated unless shown proof (which we, the community have done in relatively short time) or will they admit their mistakes of PR, words, etc or even worse... they will continue to deny until the court tells them no?
Stay tune to find out the conclusion of this big arc!
imo the most likely outcome is we never hear from them again and none of this matters in the slightest because if you are aware of this event and have lost respect for gom you probably weren't watching gsl in the first place
I like how they keep posting things that dont match up. The time of the SC changes. Now it's suddenly the code A finals which is not played on scrapstation. They should have just not responded or responed properly. The fault might even be at livestream. We don't know. And will most likely never find out.
Well, I assume that someone at GOM is punching themselves in the face right now for screwing up the livestream ban, thus prompting the rest of the company to cover for his mistake by distributing some obviously fishy evidence and explanations instead of openly admitting their mistake.
It just seems like one huge misunderstanding. GOM screwed up the ban, then dug themselves an increasingly deep hole by not admitting their mistake. Quite a few of them are probably facepalming over this massive PR fuck-up, so I'm not surprised that they are panicking a bit and releasing some rather contradictory information.
Nevertheless, I don't see any signs of an anti-BW movement from GOM... yet. I don't think this is anything to worry about until another BW streamer gets hit. Until then, I wish Grobyc the best of luck on setting up a justin.tv account.
On March 29 2011 15:30 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, I assume that someone at GOM is punching themselves in the face right now for screwing up the livestream ban, thus prompting the rest of the company to cover for his mistake by distributing some obviously fishy evidence and explanations instead of openly admitting their mistake.
It just seems like one huge misunderstanding. GOM screwed up the ban, then dug themselves an increasingly deep hole by not admitting their mistake. Quite a few of them are probably facepalming over this massive PR fuck-up, so I'm not surprised that they are panicking a bit and releasing some rather contradictory information.
Nevertheless, I don't see any signs of an anti-BW movement from GOM... yet. I don't think this is anything to worry about until another BW streamer gets hit. Until then, I wish Grobyc the best of luck on setting up a justin.tv account.
your phrasing there gives me the funniest mental images like kolll is streaming and then suddenly BAM, driveby banning, and we're all like NOOOOOOOOO
On March 29 2011 15:30 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, I assume that someone at GOM is punching themselves in the face right now for screwing up the livestream ban, thus prompting the rest of the company to cover for his mistake by distributing some obviously fishy evidence and explanations instead of openly admitting their mistake.
It just seems like one huge misunderstanding. GOM screwed up the ban, then dug themselves an increasingly deep hole by not admitting their mistake. Quite a few of them are probably facepalming over this massive PR fuck-up, so I'm not surprised that they are panicking a bit and releasing some rather contradictory information.
Nevertheless, I don't see any signs of an anti-BW movement from GOM... yet. I don't think this is anything to worry about until another BW streamer gets hit. Until then, I wish Grobyc the best of luck on setting up a justin.tv account.
your phrasing there gives me the funniest mental images like kolll is streaming and then suddenly BAM, driveby banning, and we're all like NOOOOOOOOO
I think they might as well start investing some "GG Buttons" if you know what I mean. ^_^
On March 29 2011 15:30 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, I assume that someone at GOM is punching themselves in the face right now for screwing up the livestream ban, thus prompting the rest of the company to cover for his mistake by distributing some obviously fishy evidence and explanations instead of openly admitting their mistake.
It just seems like one huge misunderstanding. GOM screwed up the ban, then dug themselves an increasingly deep hole by not admitting their mistake. Quite a few of them are probably facepalming over this massive PR fuck-up, so I'm not surprised that they are panicking a bit and releasing some rather contradictory information.
Nevertheless, I don't see any signs of an anti-BW movement from GOM... yet. I don't think this is anything to worry about until another BW streamer gets hit. Until then, I wish Grobyc the best of luck on setting up a justin.tv account.
your phrasing there gives me the funniest mental images like kolll is streaming and then suddenly BAM, driveby banning, and we're all like NOOOOOOOOO
I was thinking more along the lines of the GOMtv assassination squad quietly sniping and taking out BW streamers during the darkness of night, assuming that they are going for some kind of sneaky BW purge, which I currently doubt. Kinda hard to extrapolate a trend from just one event.
On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote: Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta
Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell.
If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them.
Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say.
I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up.
I probably follow BW more religiously than a lot of people in here, but it sounds so ridiculous what people are trying here.
What is more likely: 1. One of the administrators of his stream shows GSL game, by mistake, whatever reason.
2. A huge company messes up, that company is known for often admitting where they have errors or say they can do things differently. But in this case, instead of admitting that they made 1 little error when shutting down restreams when they could easily just say they made an error and are sorry and know people would be perfectly fine with that, decide to photoshop a screenshot to not look foolish.
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Follows Broodwar so religiously that 0/377 of your posts are about broodwar.
On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote: - Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc.
On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote: Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific.
At first we thought no games were played that night but now that they specified... well yea
Don't forget that they specified it even more:
On March 29 2011 11:52 GOM.Sam wrote: SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova to be exact.
On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote: Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta
Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell.
If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them.
Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say.
I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up.
I probably follow BW more religiously than a lot of people in here, but it sounds so ridiculous what people are trying here.
What is more likely: 1. One of the administrators of his stream shows GSL game, by mistake, whatever reason.
2. A huge company messes up, that company is known for often admitting where they have errors or say they can do things differently. But in this case, instead of admitting that they made 1 little error when shutting down restreams when they could easily just say they made an error and are sorry and know people would be perfectly fine with that, decide to photoshop a screenshot to not look foolish.
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Follows Broodwar so religiously that 0/377 of your posts are about broodwar.
I dunno about recently but Grobyc did stream GSL during the open seasons. Is it possible that livestream's copyright crawler picked up an old VOD from those days...just super late? (lol 3 months later)
I seriously just spent the last hour combing through PvT games on scrap station trying to match the screenshot to a game and I'm pretty sure I finally got a match. December 9th, 2010 GSL Open Season 3, TSL_Rain vs HongUnPrime.WE Game 5. I'll include a screenshot of my own to compare to the blurry mess:
I do know for a fact that Grobyc streamed during the GSL Open 1 & 2 but I'm not quite sure if he did 3 as well. If he did then isn't it entirely possible that the VOD was still saved on his livestream account, thus leaving it available to be spotted by any copyright crawler?
Is it possible?
Edit: This does mean that GOM was at least wrong on the date & exact game though, so by all means tear them new assholes for that. I at least thought I'd look for another explanation though. >:
Edit2: Added a cut from the blurry mess to compare so you don't have to go back 6 pages.
On March 29 2011 14:46 pachi wrote: - Map: GomTV just said the time that it was flagged. They didn't say it had to be that semifinals. It was just the most likely for them. It could be a VOD etc.
On March 11 2011 16:35 GOMTV wrote: Like we have said, the material was not a BW material but a GSL material. A match from last night to be more specific.
At first we thought no games were played that night but now that they specified... well yea
On March 29 2011 02:14 Inori wrote: Did you even read the rest of the post?
since you're so sure it's not somebody broadcasting and gom fucking up is unlikely (please tell me you don't think they would photoshop SS to prove a point to random dude on the internets) then obviously it's personal vendetta
Or maybe they claimed they had a ss. Found out they didnt and tried to cover it up but making the fake SS. To not look totaly stupid by lying. There are plenty witnesses that saw his stream. Yet nobody has seen him ever look at GSL. GOM is the one accusing. Theyre the one that should be able to provide proper evidence. Not a crappy half screenshot pixelated to hell.
If gom realized that there had been a mistake im pretty sure they would admit it. I dont know where an SS like this is from (probably some livestream admin functionality?), but if they actually wanted to photoshop something they have professionals working for them.
Some of you guys are thinking way too highly of 1 little livestream, and if you really think gom is trying to shut down bw restreams, i dont know what to say.
I think when most ppl say they're targetting BW streams, they're just joking around. But I do still believe they made a mistake and are trying to cover it up.
I probably follow BW more religiously than a lot of people in here, but it sounds so ridiculous what people are trying here.
What is more likely: 1. One of the administrators of his stream shows GSL game, by mistake, whatever reason.
2. A huge company messes up, that company is known for often admitting where they have errors or say they can do things differently. But in this case, instead of admitting that they made 1 little error when shutting down restreams when they could easily just say they made an error and are sorry and know people would be perfectly fine with that, decide to photoshop a screenshot to not look foolish.
The SS look exactly like either their own or livestreams list/db of streams shutdown. People thinking the picture is photoshopped because of the GOMTV logo are being even more clueless and don''t know much about that subject at all.
Follows Broodwar so religiously that 0/377 of your posts are about broodwar.
I wanted to answer to that post earlier but then decided to just let it be. Anyway, he has at least two posts in the BW section, so it's not 0
In all fairness, what Sam basically said was "Grobyc was found to be streaming at this time." "The match going on at this time was SlayerS_Alicia vs. oGsSuperNova." In this particular post, he didn't explicitly say that it was that match being illegally streamed; just that the match was going on at the time Grobyc was apparently showing a GSL match. So that post alone isn't nearly as damning as it could be... it's when it's combined with the previous post where GOM did say that the match Grobyc was caught streaming was the match that was going on then.
Even if we were to side the other way and say that Grobyc is likely the one at fault, GOM has continued to shoot themselves in the foot even further. I could see siding with GOM before a screenshot was posted. But the combination of them saying Grobyc was streaming the current match, that the screenshot was from that match, and the map shown in the screenshot not having been played during that match set that GOM says it was taken from... yeah, I could see there being a language problem or something which resulted in a miscommunication, but this is just way too far.
For GOM, at best they really did catch Grobyc's channel streaming something GSL related, but all of their posts contradict each other as far as proving it goes. However, it doesn't matter to them as they're now done with this thread; chances are, as someone mentioned, this will have very little effect on them as it only serves to make the BW community hate them further while the SCII fans don't care/aren't aware.
At worst, it's basically the same, but they really did make a mistake and refuse to admit it.
Edit: Though the post above me might be an explanation. Don't know the details of Grobyc's previous streaming activities. Either way, if that's what the case is, GOM has still really made a mess of things by insisting that the screenshot was from the live match happening on March 9th.
On March 29 2011 17:17 xBillehx wrote: I dunno about recently but Grobyc did stream GSL during the open seasons. Is it possible that livestream's copyright crawler picked up an old VOD from those days...just super late? (lol 3 months later)
I seriously just spent the last hour combing through PvT games on scrap station trying to match the screenshot to a game and I'm pretty sure I finally got a match. December 9th, 2010 GSL Open Season 3, TSL_Rain vs HongUnPrime.WE Game 5. I'll include a screenshot of my own to compare to the blurry mess:
I do know for a fact that Grobyc streamed during the GSL Open 1 & 2 but I'm not quite sure if he did 3 as well. If he did then isn't it entirely possible that the VOD was still saved on his livestream account, thus leaving it available to be spotted by any copyright crawler?
Is it possible?
Edit: This does mean that GOM was at least wrong on the date & exact game though, so by all means tear them new assholes for that. I at least thought I'd look for another explanation though. >:
Edit2: Added a cut from the blurry mess to compare so you don't have to go back 6 pages.
Wow well done. It matches perfectly. Why would groby ever be watching this game 4 months later. Very Very Very Very unlikely. It doesn't make any sense. So the datematching is either wrong or made up. If they had just put the real date (and he was actually streaming the game at that date) I wouldn't blaim GOM but now it's just gettting silly.
On March 29 2011 17:40 Marradron wrote: Wow well done. It matches perfectly. Why would groby ever be watching this game 4 months later. Very Very Very Very unlikely. It doesn't make any sense. So the datematching is either wrong or made up.
On March 29 2011 17:28 So no fek wrote: Edit: Though the post above me might be an explanation. Don't know the details of Grobyc's previous streaming activities. Either way, if that's what the case is, GOM has still really made a mess of things by insisting that the screenshot was from the live match happening on March 9th.
Yeah I agree the whole thing's a mess since their explanations contradict a lot. I'm thinking the livestream copyright crawler caught a GSL VOD really late, 3 months later, reported it to GOM for confirmation on March 9th & proceeded to ban it after confirmation was made that the content did belong to GOM.
There are old neogaf & TL threads that show Grobyc streaming GSL back then so I think my explanation is a lot more sound than the one of him streaming earlier this month.
On March 29 2011 17:40 Marradron wrote: Wow well done. It matches perfectly. Why would groby ever be watching this game 4 months later. Very Very Very Very unlikely. It doesn't make any sense. So the datematching is either wrong or made up.
On March 29 2011 17:28 So no fek wrote: Edit: Though the post above me might be an explanation. Don't know the details of Grobyc's previous streaming activities. Either way, if that's what the case is, GOM has still really made a mess of things by insisting that the screenshot was from the live match happening on March 9th.
Yeah I agree the whole thing's a mess since their explanations contradict a lot. I'm thinking the livestream copyright crawler caught a GSL VOD really late, 3 months later, reported it to GOM for confirmation on March 9th & proceeded to ban it after confirmation was made that the content did belong to GOM.
There are old neogaf & TL threads that show Grobyc streaming GSL back then so I think my explanation is a lot more sound than the one of him streaming earlier this month.
Yeah gotta agree with you. But still 3 months later. With a crappy screenshot. Saying he restreamed a recent game. Messing up the game he restreamed in a response. GOM defenitly could have handled this better.
On March 29 2011 17:17 xBillehx wrote: I dunno about recently but Grobyc did stream GSL during the open seasons. Is it possible that livestream's copyright crawler picked up an old VOD from those days...just super late? (lol 3 months later)
I seriously just spent the last hour combing through PvT games on scrap station trying to match the screenshot to a game and I'm pretty sure I finally got a match. December 9th, 2010 GSL Open Season 3, TSL_Rain vs HongUnPrime.WE Game 5. I'll include a screenshot of my own to compare to the blurry mess:
I do know for a fact that Grobyc streamed during the GSL Open 1 & 2 but I'm not quite sure if he did 3 as well. If he did then isn't it entirely possible that the VOD was still saved on his livestream account, thus leaving it available to be spotted by any copyright crawler?
Is it possible?
Edit: This does mean that GOM was at least wrong on the date & exact game though, so by all means tear them new assholes for that. I at least thought I'd look for another explanation though. >:
Edit2: Added a cut from the blurry mess to compare so you don't have to go back 6 pages.
Teamliquid users are so awesome. Good work. There is no way in my mind Grobyc would be streaming a 4 month old game with neither player being someone a BW streamer like Grobyc would be interested in.
To each his own. I'm just glad it doesn't seem like they deliberately targeted BW streams as some people were preaching. Sloppy mistake from poor research but the ban seemed to really be for GOM SC2 content, not BW.
Grobyc, can you remember what you had on your autoplay? The stuff that streams when you are offline. Its possible thats where it came from and is causing all the fuss.
I'm 100% positive I didn't even have autoplay on, and I had deleted anything SC2 from the time that I did have autoplay enabled still (probably like back in january). I had some BW VODs on demand, but that was it.
I did stream some GSL only in the first season, not the second as well, BEFORE they requested that the restreams stop. Once they did that I never touched it again. I only streamed the first couple days of season 1 until they gave the public warning. There's no chance that small streaming period is the result of this. I didn't even tune in to GSL long enough to watch the season one quarterfinals.
Yeah well its great that i can see GOM for what they really are, incompetent fools. These guys were given rights to SC2 AND BW? Fuck me if they ACTUALLY ran BW the scene would die within a year without blizzard even trying to kill it. I guess that's why they gave them the rights in the first place =P
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote: well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.
never again =(
On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.
Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription... I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.
And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.
Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote: well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.
never again =(
On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.
Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription... I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.
And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.
Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote: well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.
never again =(
On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.
Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription... I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.
And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.
Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.
Stream quality itself is okay.
However, the content puts me to sleep.
You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote: well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.
never again =(
On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.
Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription... I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.
And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.
Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.
Stream quality itself is okay.
However, the content puts me to sleep.
You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.
I don't know how much the game quality has improved as people are learning the game, but the game itself just doesn't really interest me. I watched every single game in the first GSL season and a few in the second, and there was ONE single game that held my interest entirely. And I don't even really remember all the details anymore; just know that it was with TLO, and I'm pretty sure it was a TvT with some sick nukes from TLO.
I haven't really followed any of the leagues since then, but I've checked out the occasional game when I had nothing else to do, of if someone really recommended it... and even those highly recommended games bore me to death. For me, the game just doesn't hold the awe factor that BW has; even if Jaedong, Flash, etc were to transfer over to the game, I still probably wouldn't enjoy it.
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote: well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.
never again =(
On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.
Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription... I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.
And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.
Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.
Stream quality itself is okay.
However, the content puts me to sleep.
You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.
I don't know how much the game quality has improved as people are learning the game, but the game itself just doesn't really interest me. I watched every single game in the first GSL season and a few in the second, and there was ONE single game that held my interest entirely. And I don't even really remember all the details anymore; just know that it was with TLO, and I'm pretty sure it was a TvT with some sick nukes from TLO.
I haven't really followed any of the leagues since then, but I've checked out the occasional game when I had nothing else to do, of if someone really recommended it... and even those highly recommended games bore me to death. For me, the game just doesn't hold the awe factor that BW has; even if Jaedong, Flash, etc were to transfer over to the game, I still probably wouldn't enjoy it.
Fair enough. It's mostly a matter of taste, really. I enjoy both SC2 and BW, though I can understand the reasons why some people do not like one or the other.
Nevertheless, the level of play has improved tremendously since GSL1, and it is continuing to improve and is also starting to gravitate towards more BW-esque play, especially with the introduction of newer, larger maps. If you ever get curious about the SC2 scene from time to time, then it's safe to say that the pool of entertaining matches is growing in size and quality.
And even if the entertaining SC2 games don't interest you, at least the wonders of Tastosis should continue to provide tons of humor. The Tastosis highlight vids on Youtube are pure comedy gold, though they don't necessarily include every hilarious joke they make during the casts.
Seriously, Tastosis can make any game seem entertaining, even Warcraft 3.
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote: well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.
never again =(
On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.
Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription... I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.
And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.
Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.
Stream quality itself is okay.
However, the content puts me to sleep.
You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.
I don't know how much the game quality has improved as people are learning the game, but the game itself just doesn't really interest me. I watched every single game in the first GSL season and a few in the second, and there was ONE single game that held my interest entirely. And I don't even really remember all the details anymore; just know that it was with TLO, and I'm pretty sure it was a TvT with some sick nukes from TLO.
I haven't really followed any of the leagues since then, but I've checked out the occasional game when I had nothing else to do, of if someone really recommended it... and even those highly recommended games bore me to death. For me, the game just doesn't hold the awe factor that BW has; even if Jaedong, Flash, etc were to transfer over to the game, I still probably wouldn't enjoy it.
Fair enough. It's mostly a matter of taste, really. I enjoy both SC2 and BW, though I can understand the reasons why some people do not like one or the other.
Nevertheless, the level of play has improved tremendously since GSL1, and it is continuing to improve and is also starting to gravitate towards more BW-esque play, especially with the introduction of newer, larger maps. If you ever get curious about the SC2 scene from time to time, then it's safe to say that the pool of entertaining matches is growing in size and quality.
And even if the entertaining SC2 games don't interest you, at least the wonders of Tastosis should continue to provide tons of humor. The Tastosis highlight vids on Youtube are pure comedy gold, though they don't necessarily include every hilarious joke they make during the casts.
Seriously, Tastosis can make any game seem entertaining, even Warcraft 3.
Yeah, I imagine the games will get more entertaining as they go along.
And as far as Tastosis goes... >_>
I liked the first couple seasons of GOM, but the last BW season was starting to get on my nerves as far as casting went, with the frequent plugging. From what I've heard (though I haven't experienced it first hand) the games have even more corporate plugging (didn't so much mind the Handsome nerd plugs, but I don't think I'd feel the same.. but like I said, I haven't experienced it myself, so I don't know how bad it is.) I still respect the work they've put into the scene over the years, and I liked their casting at one point, but I'd probably take Day9/Chill 100% of the time.
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote: well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.
never again =(
On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.
Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription... I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.
And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.
Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.
Subscription or no, watching games live is 12908371098273928347928374x fun than watching VoDs, regardless of what game (SC2/BW) ..
On March 29 2011 21:53 thedeadhaji wrote: well there goes any chance of me ever buying any form of subscription from them.
never again =(
On the bright side, the HQ Stream and VODs for the GSL World Championship and Team League are all free and are definitely worth checking out.
Also, there are many ways of obtaining VODs should you choose to not buy a subscription... I myself have shared rapidly quite a torrential amount of files.
And the free-stream isn't so bad once you get used to it.
Other than that, hopefully this event will blow over as just one big huge misunderstanding, though we should still remember it next time another BW-streamer gets taken down.
Stream quality itself is okay.
However, the content puts me to sleep.
You don't watch the team-league games, do you? Fun stuff.
Team league barely kept me awake.
I slept through July's Ro4, then went to play some BW.
That screenshot looks horribly photoshopped really, no evidence whatsoever. Not paying a dime for any GSL or GTSL vods with this kind of horrible support and blatant fabrication(I can get them free anyway if I really want to). on the one hand they GomTV ''support'' E-sports by making the GSL on the other hand they destroy it, its really annoying.
Ow yeah Billeh, I applaud you for finding that, lol GomTv is just randomly pulling images out of their....magic hat it seems.
As for SC2
Maps improve. a step in the good direction, but nevertheless the distinct lack of micro is still offputting. I personally watch SC2 halfheartedly, if its on I might watch it, if not I wont bother. I don't get up at odd korean times to watch SC2, but I do to watch BW At first I actually thought some of the GTSL games were good, but then I started thinking about it and it was really like..... its not really impressive(not to me anyway).
On March 09 2011 16:42 Grobyc wrote: Yeah I'll probably make a justin.tv account. The only thing bugging me about justin.tv is that we aren't supposed to be allowed to play our own music while streaming o.O . I guess it's not that bad since I usually just game with my own music anyway, but I'll be damned if the account gets locked from the rare time I do ~_~
thats for producers. they dont seem to enforce that on regular streamers, just the people getting $$ from advertising.
EPT
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