• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:53
CET 02:53
KST 10:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool30Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains18
StarCraft 2
General
Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87 [GSL CK] #2: Team Classic vs. Team Solar
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death Mutation # 515 Together Forever
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea JaeDong's form before ASL BSL Season 22
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 is here!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Mexico's Drug War
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5887 users

My first few days on iCCup

Blogs > dydtaylor
Post a Reply
dydtaylor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States12 Posts
March 03 2011 03:24 GMT
#1
Before I go into my time on iCCup I think I need to give an example of my Starcraft History, because it will give a kind of better idea of what kind of player I am and perhaps help anyone who decides to read this maybe give some quick advice on how to not suck on iCCup (especially once the season progresses and I stop having to play B players before they rank up)

As of my writing this, I'd like to say I'm not a complete Starcraft newbie. I mean, of course, based on the context of everything I'm about to say, I still have yet to truly grasp the game, and having first PLAYED Starcraft my first, RTS, in May of last year, I definitely don't have the grasp of the game the average D+ or (I think, IDK) D level player. But I still know some important things; pretty much enough to watch professional BW matches and understand what's going on, and of course I also love watching GSL, mostly following foreigners, but also following a few of my favorite players (read:July).

So, having first gotten Starcraft in May of last year, I started off, like everyone, a complete newbie having absolutely no idea what to do. Originally I played Protoss because a friend of mine with some experience said that it's the easiest race starting out, and told me to always build probes (of course, as a newbie, this meant "QUEUE!!!"). He directed me to Team Liquid, and I did a quick read up of a ForgeFE build and played a game against a computer, only to get demolished by my atrocious timings and ignorance to the computer's rush first strategy. While there, I learned two things:

1. I have no idea what the hell I'm doing, what all the tech structures are, how to use them, etc.
2. Probes are awesome!

Distraught, I looked again to the internet, googling beginner starcraft guides, and hearing advice such as "play through the campaign so you have some idea what does what"

Of course, again, my incompetence with the game resulted in myself attempting the Brood War Toss campaign and getting decently distraught that I couldn't beat the first level and that the "first level" had absolutely no introduction to the game and didn't tell me what units do what.

Well damn, this is going nowhere. I really didn't have any idea of how to use the plethora of information around me (god forbid I make an account and ask, I didn't want to be seen as some completely clueless newbie, and I liked the stronger, more authoritative guides). Regardless, I still enjoyed the game, and liked watching pro games in my spare time. English commentary, of course, so I could have some idea of what was going on.

Well eventually I found the VERY beginning campaign, and started playing through the Terran campaign. I disliked the race though, so I soon dropped it. I then tried out the Zerg race, and for some reason just fell in love with it. Using it felt much more natural than the other races, and after alternating the campaign and watching some BW matches, I started trying to play against the computer again. Of course, my timing was horrible and I still got rocked, but I had a much better understanding and started to learn the game. Unfortunately, about this time was mid June, and I would end up going out of town until July, with no access to a Windows computer (to my knowledge, if you have one version of BW you can't use it on the other OS?).

So of course, I ended up quitting the game by the time I got back to try to get in the front of SC2 when it came out. I bought the game soon after it was released and stuck with Zerg. After playing a few games, I decided to play my first few placement matches on Battlenet, and after going 2-3 I ended up in Bronze league. Not deterred, I continually tried to improve my game, but didn't get too far. By this point I had probably a better understanding of what to do but had a lot of trouble with the execution. I used hotkeys and whatnot but a major problem was knowing WHEN to do stuff. Of course, over the next few months and a generally bad record (slowly improving to silver league, but not getting really much above a 50% win rate).

I discovered Day[9], and using his show and just a general go and go and go mindset I believe I've gotten to be a better player. Of course, I also had a concept of macro and expanding, so in the lower leagues whenever I could get to a long game more often than not I could win simply because I had some ability to macro and the opponent had close to no ability. My APM has also improved significantly, around then I could usually keep APM average above 100 in an SC2 game and right now its around 150-180 average in BW. Part of that came from spamming, but also a general game awareness developed, and as my mental checklist (as Day[9] puts it) develops I generally have gotten quicker. However, a lot of my losses came in the early game, and despite having not played SC2 for about a month I get the feeling that most of my losses will come from the early game, namely early game aggression. Multitasking is also a weak point of mine, as when dealing with aggression my builds (SC2 and BW) fall apart, and in BW I've found myself with 600 minerals at 15 supply and wonder "well now what the fuck do I do?" (answer: gg within the next couple of minutes). Simultaneous micro and macro is also a problem, while I no longer have to look at my base to trust that I'm building, managing muta harass or battles and making units at the same time is coming slowly, and managing the units after they're made but before the battles also hasn't really come until recently.

Anyways, I stayed on SC2 until around Thanksgiving when I found myself out of town for a few days without a computer with a decent internet connnection and SC2, so I brought along my USB with Brood War on it and practiced against computers. This kind of built of better fundamentals, but also managed to create a small spark for my love of the game. The spark hasn't caught fire until recently, but here I am now. I didn't get on RIGHT away, however, I started playing BW again around Feb 8, and I've been working on my BOs against computers on again and off again for the last few weeks.

So yesterday, in the midst of a new season, I decided to try my luck on iCCup. While I've definitely read advice not to do this, I couldn't wait and was eager to get rocked in the first few games. That, of course, did happen. My first game was against some Korean 350 APM monster in a ZvZ... lol. And of course my next few games haven't gone the best since then. I've won a few, had a few disconnects, some of which didn't get recorded, but I think I've definitely learned more in the last few days. I learned the importance of timing EVERYTHING, and how I need to watch to see that I get things ready to go down the instant I can. I also learned how much more concrete build orders are in such a competitive environment. On bronze/silver battlenet, keeping a kind of vague impression of your build order and keeping money low is going to give you a good structure for the game, but in Brood War I've found it harder to keep money low if I stray from the build order a little bit. This could be because there's less options or I'm less aware of them, but I know I need to learn the variations built into the BO instead of trying to switch BOs completely, at least at this level (like changing WHERE my 3rd hatch goes instead of not placing it in Overpool vs 2 gate). Of course, being a player like this, the early game harassment by any competent player on iCCup has been deadly to me, and in the middle of any harassment I see myself fall apart, something that I hope goes away the next time I experience it. I guess a reassuring thing right now is there are plenty of major areas to improve upon, so I know plenty of things I am doing right and wrong and what I can do to fix them.

Anyways, this is going to be a long iCCup season. My goal is to be a solid D or reach D+ by the end of it, I'm hoping to get better, and should hopefully keep this updated as the season progresses.

YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
March 03 2011 03:33 GMT
#2
I'd encourage you not to get too disheartened early. At the beginning of the season, the ladder really needs time to balance out. I saw Darling[Pain] hosting a game for D/D+/C-, which I found funny. There's no real choice, though. When everyone starts out at 1000 points, you're bound to run into a ton of people who are C or better. Keep on playing, and you should notice opponents getting easier towards the end of the season.
안지호
dydtaylor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States12 Posts
March 03 2011 03:36 GMT
#3
Thanks I knew going in that I wouldn't have much, if any success starting out, I just felt that I needed to dive in sometime, and I got tired of waiting. I kind of wish I could better gauge my skill at this point, but I know the only thing that will do that is time.
The_Australian
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia458 Posts
March 03 2011 03:46 GMT
#4
When i first started out with BW i watched pro replays for months before even playing any games. I'm not saying you need to go that extreme into it but watching a few pro replays a day really helps. It helps you learn what games should look like, and also little tricks that usually takes months of play to figure out. Seeing from the other races' perspective is really valuable too. Good luck!
"Nothing should be unstoppable when you see it coming...." - Boxer
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 03:51:10
March 03 2011 03:50 GMT
#5
Depending on your interest for the game, there comes a point where you want to play those B and A players even though you know you're going to lose badly. Why? Because you know that you'll have a replay thats worth gold to your improvement. That is, of course, if you like going over replays of yourself losing.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
March 03 2011 04:13 GMT
#6
It's nice to see players still interested in playing. I'm a former B rank protoss, so if you ever want any help/advice, let me know. I can play like 20 games in a row too, so mass practice is usually an option :o
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
March 03 2011 04:32 GMT
#7
On March 03 2011 13:13 ilovezil wrote:
I can play like 20 games in a row too.

Omg, teach me that... I simply cannot play more than 2-3 games in a row at max ( a bit more if I'm on a losing streak, since I wanna win at least one game preferably)
wat
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
March 03 2011 05:10 GMT
#8
I never played BW, just followed the proscene... after actually playing SC2 I felt I should also do some BW. I just played my first real bw game on iccup (ZvP) and I won with 3hatch +1 speedling all-in ... even after i accidentally stopped all my drones from mining when trying to put down a spawning pool, rofl

So happy. :p

D+ here I come!!
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
March 03 2011 05:49 GMT
#9
What's with this influx of new BW players on TL? You all makes me want to play BW again
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
March 03 2011 05:52 GMT
#10
It makes me warm and fuzzy inside when I hear of anyone getting into/coming back to BW.
I see light, I see hope.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
March 03 2011 05:53 GMT
#11
On March 03 2011 13:32 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2011 13:13 ilovezil wrote:
I can play like 20 games in a row too.

Omg, teach me that... I simply cannot play more than 2-3 games in a row at max ( a bit more if I'm on a losing streak, since I wanna win at least one game preferably)


It's simply motivation - I had an unusual drive to play more of this game and can probably even do it now. I've always had this natural urge to play, which only became stronger after I played against this guy that was really well known among my friends for his skills. From that point on, my drive built upon itself as I learned more and more in depth about the game. The more I learned, the more I wanted to learn. Basically, it stems from the same motivation that drives those hardworking volunteers, the students who get straight A's, professional sports players, and even kids who learn to ride a bike.

Or maybe I was simply obsessed...
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
March 03 2011 06:20 GMT
#12
On March 03 2011 14:49 Shana wrote:
What's with this influx of new BW players on TL? You all makes me want to play BW again


I got into the game through SC2, and found it...lacking. Checking out the Brood War forums and watching progames, hearing about the constant skirmishes, the macro-heavy playstyles, the perfect siege-pushing, all the power units that are so imbalanced that only the other imbalanced units keep it in check...it makes people (including me) switch over.

Which is a good thing I think: If SC2 is to approach BW levels, it'll take years to do so. In the meantime, BW is just a superior game if you can learn to survive the interface. I'm working on that
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
March 03 2011 06:26 GMT
#13
I'm thinking of learning BW just for variety. It looks fun ^^
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
March 03 2011 06:27 GMT
#14
I've found that if you have trouble finding games, just create a Melee game labelled "1v1 FS D- prac game." You'd be surprised how often you get ppl to play you.
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 07:09:09
March 03 2011 07:08 GMT
#15
wrong thread. sorry
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
March 03 2011 08:18 GMT
#16
Channel OP Teamliquid. We could always use more people in there.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
March 03 2011 09:59 GMT
#17
On March 03 2011 14:49 Shana wrote:
What's with this influx of new BW players on TL? You all makes me want to play BW again


Same. Really debating it.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9530 Posts
March 03 2011 18:43 GMT
#18
Nice blog!

I'm always glad to read the adventures of new BW players... and seems like they just keep coming -.-
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
March 03 2011 20:48 GMT
#19
Yeah being a former SC2->BW player, its great that so many people are making the switch! Come to OP teamliquid too. The more the merrier.
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
22:00
Best Games of SC
Solar vs ByuN
MaxPax vs Solar
Rogue vs Percival
Cure vs Solar
herO vs Solar
PiGStarcraft511
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft511
RuFF_SC2 218
Nina 137
Ketroc 53
ProTech50
Codebar 13
NeuroSwarm 6
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 612
Noble 65
Dota 2
monkeys_forever719
LuMiX2
League of Legends
JimRising 581
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe234
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor167
Other Games
ViBE138
Mew2King86
Trikslyr74
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1206
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream123
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta24
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5286
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
8h 8m
herO vs MaxPax
Rogue vs TriGGeR
BSL
18h 8m
Replay Cast
22h 8m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 8h
Sharp vs Scan
Rain vs Mong
Wardi Open
1d 10h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 15h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Team League
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
WardiTV Team League
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jeongseon Sooper Cup
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.