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Cramsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 13:36:38
February 11 2011 13:16 GMT
#1
can't beat toss. Ever. ever ever ever. Early charge eats everything alive and then everything is cut by ff and it's all over. Every game. Played 3 toss tonight (the last one was favored over me. What a reward for losing to make me feel better :D)

(I'm rank 1 gold, about a 55% win, 2600+ points and about 450 games.) If that's any way to place where my skills should be?

Here's the replays. The last guy was cool about my frustration and then proceeded to do what everyone else had been doing for the night. Winning easily.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/137866-1v1-terran-protoss-shakuras-plateau

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/137867-1v1-terran-protoss-xelnaga-caverns

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/137868-1v1-terran-protoss-lost-temple

I just got schooled in that last game. I knew it was 2 prong but I didn't actually deliver in sending only a few units back.

Thanks to anyone who gets back to me Last edit: 2011-02-11 22:28:53

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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 13:30:31
February 11 2011 13:23 GMT
#2
If you are still in bronze your main problem is likely macro. I know some people hate to hear it in every thread, but constant worker production + good unit production + getting to two bases on time + more good unit production should be able to beat anybody below platinum.

Oh yeah there's a general rule with the trinity of choices: between 1. teching 2. attacking and 3. expanding, you should usually pick 2 (and do them in the order tech->attack, tech->expand, or attack->expand)
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
February 11 2011 13:27 GMT
#3
I saw the first replay only.

The thing is: After the first trade, you'd either had to continuously rally units or expand, you shouldn't had made both. After the first trade, you didn't had enough units to deal enough damage to his army, but you had enough to defend. The first trade was excellent because you killed a lot of sentries, which is really really good, and also a few probes, which would make it even. If you continuously rallied units and attacked - while microing - you'd have a better chance to win than if you had expanded. If you just went back while maintaining map control(the threat of an attack was there), you would stay fine as well.
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Cramsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 13:29:23
February 11 2011 13:29 GMT
#4
On February 11 2011 22:23 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
If you are still in bronze your main problem is likely macro. I know some people hate to hear it in every thread, but constant worker production + good unit production + getting to two bases on time + more good unit production should be able to beat anybody below platinum.



Sorry, I'm gold
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Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
February 11 2011 13:54 GMT
#5
On February 11 2011 22:29 Cramsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 22:23 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
If you are still in bronze your main problem is likely macro. I know some people hate to hear it in every thread, but constant worker production + good unit production + getting to two bases on time + more good unit production should be able to beat anybody below platinum.



Sorry, I'm gold


The advice is, in all likelihood, still relevant, though.
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drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
February 11 2011 14:05 GMT
#6
On February 11 2011 22:29 Cramsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 22:23 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
If you are still in bronze your main problem is likely macro. I know some people hate to hear it in every thread, but constant worker production + good unit production + getting to two bases on time + more good unit production should be able to beat anybody below platinum.



Sorry, I'm gold


applies to gold just as well
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 14:15:01
February 11 2011 14:14 GMT
#7
On February 11 2011 22:23 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
If you are still not in master your main problem is likely macro. I know some people hate to hear it in every thread, but constant worker production + good unit production + getting to two bases on time + more good unit production should be able to beat anybody below platinum.

Oh yeah there's a general rule with the trinity of choices: between 1. teching 2. attacking and 3. expanding, you should usually pick 3 (and do them in the order tech->attack, tech->expand, or attack->expand)


Fixed it for you.
Always pick expanding not attacking WTF!
The when you attack you expand again.
Fuck yeah, macro.
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia935 Posts
February 11 2011 14:20 GMT
#8
On February 11 2011 23:14 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 22:23 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
If you are still not in master your main problem is likely macro. I know some people hate to hear it in every thread, but constant worker production + good unit production + getting to two bases on time + more good unit production should be able to beat anybody below platinum.

Oh yeah there's a general rule with the trinity of choices: between 1. teching 2. attacking and 3. expanding, you should usually pick 3 (and do them in the order tech->attack, tech->expand, or attack->expand)


Fixed it for you.
Always pick expanding not attacking WTF!
The when you attack you expand again.
Fuck yeah, macro.

He meant to pick two out of the three possible to do at any time, not to pick #2 -_-.
On the other hand, the orders that he suggested is somewhat debatable. Expand can be first as well, etc.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 14:27:21
February 11 2011 14:26 GMT
#9
On February 11 2011 23:20 Soulforged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 23:14 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 11 2011 22:23 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
If you are still not in master your main problem is likely macro. I know some people hate to hear it in every thread, but constant worker production + good unit production + getting to two bases on time + more good unit production should be able to beat anybody below platinum.

Oh yeah there's a general rule with the trinity of choices: between 1. teching 2. attacking and 3. expanding, you should usually pick 3 (and do them in the order tech->attack, tech->expand, or attack->expand)


Fixed it for you.
Always pick expanding not attacking WTF!
The when you attack you expand again.
Fuck yeah, macro.

He meant to pick two out of the three possible to do at any time, not to pick #2 -_-.
On the other hand, the orders that he suggested is somewhat debatable. Expand can be first as well, etc.

Yeah expand can be first but you usually have to play defensive for awhile (until your expand kicks in) and tech according to scouting + possibly cut workers or pull workers to defend, which is kind of tough at gold level (if you can do it while macroing well, that's still perfect though). Taking initiative by attacking or teching first tends to circumvent that problem if you do it well.
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
February 11 2011 16:18 GMT
#10
On February 11 2011 23:14 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 22:23 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
If you are still not in master your main problem is likely macro. I know some people hate to hear it in every thread, but constant worker production + good unit production + getting to two bases on time + more good unit production should be able to beat anybody below platinum.

Oh yeah there's a general rule with the trinity of choices: between 1. teching 2. attacking and 3. expanding, you should usually pick 3 (and do them in the order tech->attack, tech->expand, or attack->expand)


Fixed it for you.
Always pick expanding not attacking WTF!
The when you attack you expand again.
Fuck yeah, macro.


You can attack first since you'll have a window of opportunity which was used well on the first replay, but after that first window he had to choose between expanding and defending OR attacking, both won't work ever.

Of course the macro choice here would be expanding, if you are not confident in your micro you should do that, always.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 17:06:21
February 11 2011 17:03 GMT
#11
If that's any way to place where my skills should be?


I need to point out that masters league aside, being in 1st place means that your learning has been stagnant. Because you don't need to be in 1st to get promoted. I went from gold to platinum at 16th gold and silver to gold at 4th silver - took me less time from gold to platinum.

Win rates mean very little too since the system pairs you up with weaker people when you lose.

However my main problems was droning too much and not using queen inject often enough, having 3k minerals - not macroing well. Watch some Day9 if you didn't. Especially #252 if you're not from BW.

Of course you need to learn some timings too but I can't help you with that.
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