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Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:06:43
February 09 2011 19:00 GMT
#1
The title is probably misleading, so let me clear things up:
Kids: 17 years old or younger.
Adults: 18 years old and above

So I've been playing a lot of Broodwar and SC2 lately, and I've noticed something very interesting. Honestly, this will be based on my own experiences, so take my theories as lightly as possible.

Here goes:

I've noticed most Adults are extremely good at theorycrafting and strategizing. To be honest, 90% of the adults I play against LOVE theorycrafting.

Most of the time they'd go: "Unit X works really well vs unit X, I wonder if a 3:2 ratio blah blah"
or
"At around 6:30 timing you'd be at xx supply vs his xx supply" etc


I'll be honest. I am unable to construct a BO or overall game scheme based on how I play. I basically just make stuff up as a I go along, or play in the way I "feel" is best in a certain point in time in the game.

For example, when I do timing attacks, I just seem to "do them". I don't know when the timing windows are, but I just seem to "feel them" and abuse them when I "feel" like the time is right.

Most if not all of the "kids" where I play pretty much play the same way. And most of the time, we kids ROFLstomp the older guys who seem to know much more about the games.

Why do you think this is so? Has anyone else noticed this? I'm open to criticisms/violent reactions and such.

TL;DR Many adults are great at strategizing BUT: many of them are unable to actually implement these strategies. Kids on the other hand, play by feel.

Discuss

*
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
February 09 2011 19:06 GMT
#2
How is it that you know the ages of everyone you play? And if they tell you, how do you know they're telling the truth?
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
February 09 2011 19:07 GMT
#3
I play in a LAN cafe, so I meet all the players I play with. I'm basing this off my experiences in an environment where people actually know each other.
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
Yotta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:15:55
February 09 2011 19:12 GMT
#4
NOT one damn human adult has ever been created - for ONLY babies are CREATED - and every adult has within them the LIFE given by children who DIE to give-up their lives to their parent image - so their mom or Dad can live. Adults are EVIL to deny they evolved from children - and claim their adult EGO image is a god likeness.

first thing i thought of

on topic, i think this could be the case because adults are more influenced than children by the reasoning part of the brain and less so by their hormones. At least i think i heard that once. my psychology-major house mate would know, i'll edit if i ask him.
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
February 09 2011 19:13 GMT
#5
I'm 22 and I play completely by feel. Of course I'm only low rank masters so I'm not that good, but I feel like I got there based purely on just "winging it"
Wahaha
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
February 09 2011 19:17 GMT
#6
On February 10 2011 04:12 Yotta wrote:
NOT one damn human adult has ever been created - for ONLY babies are CREATED - and every adult has within them the LIFE given by children who DIE to give-up their lives to their parent image - so their mom or Dad can live. Adults are EVIL to deny they evolved from children - and claim their adult EGO image is a god likeness.

first thing i thought of


Sorry, I couldn't understand what you mean

I'm not saying only kids play by feel, it's just that I've noticed a lot of adults are capable of putting into words/strategies their analysis of the game's mechanics.

Do you guys think it has something to do with mental maturity? lol
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
February 09 2011 19:18 GMT
#7
I think it has to do with the amount of time available you have to practice.
Kids have more time to practice. Probably as simple as that.
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Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
February 09 2011 19:20 GMT
#8
Probably... I do recall pro Korean players saying that what kids lack in experience and expertise, they make up for in speed [apm]. Similar to how older players get left behind to the supposedly faster younger generation.
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
February 09 2011 19:22 GMT
#9
Hi, my name is Dance. I'm twenty years old, and I hate build orders.
It is what it is...
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
February 09 2011 19:24 GMT
#10
On February 10 2011 04:22 Dance. wrote:
Hi, my name is Dance. I'm twenty years old, and I hate build orders.


AWESOME! Seems many TLers dislike BOs as much as I do
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:27:15
February 09 2011 19:27 GMT
#11
On February 10 2011 04:24 Raii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 04:22 Dance. wrote:
Hi, my name is Dance. I'm twenty years old, and I hate build orders.


AWESOME! Seems many TLers dislike BOs as much as I do


what league are you in stomping dudes with no build order in mind?
:O
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:30:50
February 09 2011 19:29 GMT
#12
I play completely by feel, I have no set build orders based on my supply, I don't use the in-game timer at all, I'm 21, and I'm in high masters.

Your theory is incorrect.
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
February 09 2011 19:30 GMT
#13
Unranked. lol. That probably explains much of the stomping.
I think I might have confused you a bit :/

I meant "No definite BO", or somewhere along the lines of "I know BOs but I refuse to follow them exactly how Liquipedia tells people to". Better?
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:32:01
February 09 2011 19:31 GMT
#14
@antimage
As I said above, take my theories lightly. Coming from a 15 year old, I doubt any of my "theories" would hold that much substance without proper data to back them up.
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 09 2011 19:35 GMT
#15
Execution > Strategy. If you have a great strategy, but can't execute, it doesn't matter.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
FlashIsHigh
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States474 Posts
February 09 2011 19:40 GMT
#16
Hmmm one thing to back you up would be that in BW the younger players tend to be the more dominant players because their hand speed is greater, however I dont see that as an issue in SC2 since u dont need high APM to be good at the game.
KT Flash// WhiteRa/Scarlett/Naniwa/MC/Huk/Nony
Helios.Star
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States548 Posts
February 09 2011 19:40 GMT
#17
On February 10 2011 04:13 aike wrote:
I'm 22 and I play completely by feel. Of course I'm only low rank masters so I'm not that good, but I feel like I got there based purely on just "winging it"


I'm 27 and play the same way. I've actually told people I was worried about my play style because its almost 100% reactionary, and I never really had a solid build order. I havent played since the last patch came out (my desk broke ), but I was mid/low diamond when I did.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:59:57
February 09 2011 19:58 GMT
#18
tilte of thread should be changed to noobs vs people with potential
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 20:28:30
February 09 2011 20:00 GMT
#19
I can't commit enough time to this game to use "solid" build orders (practice them mostly) and make up a lot of stuff on my own. I will usually have a strong opening then my mid and late game are completely shooting from the hip. I am 25 years old. (When I get time to practice I tend to get good build orders going(I am aware you need them but I just don't play this game competivley enough))
Brood War forever!
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
February 09 2011 20:22 GMT
#20
by not following a solid build order you are bottlenecking yourself. You should either follow a build order or try to optimize a build order. If you play freestyle you will hit a dead end somewhere. You might be roflstomping noobs now because the game is new, but as things settle down, you will get crushed by almost everybody.

Look at BW. You can't win games even at the D ranks if you don't have a solid BO
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
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