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On February 08 2011 04:41 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 04:20 Hawk wrote:On February 08 2011 04:13 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote:
Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason.
Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences. You're telling me your schedule allows you to play a ladder game but at the same time it's too busy for you to wait 30 seconds for someone to answer a phone call? Sorry but you're full of shit. Why should you assume that your opponent should have to wait for you, when you could just as easily let it go to voicemail? better yet, let's compare this to sports, since everyone likes to go there with analogies and what not. Pick up 3 on 3 basketball game, your opponent wants you to stop for three minutes so he can take his daily phone call from his girlfriend. And you're supposed to be a jerkoff if you say fuck off and do it later? You're offering a stupid example. Of course I'm not gonna wait for 3 minutes, but when I'm playing a casual game of basketball with friends and someone needs to tie his shoes yes, I'll wait 30 seconds for him to do so. No one is obligated to wait for some1 to pause but it's just a little nicer if you do. I mean really, its not even a minute. Its pretty arrogant to assume that much time will actually matter to you. You're playing a game that averages like 15 minutes anyway, what the extra 30 seconds worth. Absolutely no sacrifice on your part, while your opponent basically auto losses because you can't be bothered. Like I said you're not under any obligation to wait but it would make the world a little nicer and everyones gaming experience just a little better if you weren't a complete douche just cause you're allowed to be.
And it's not at all arrogant to start a ladder game, knowing that you may have to take a phone call and expecting that your opponent will stop what he's doing to accommodate? If someone has something more important to do than the game, they should be playing, or they should learn to not get pissed when people unpause.
I don't think taking a phone call is the same as tying your shoes in the middle of a game
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On February 08 2011 04:48 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 04:46 Relickey wrote:On February 08 2011 04:41 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 04:20 Hawk wrote:On February 08 2011 04:13 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 01:21 Trowabarton756 wrote:On February 08 2011 01:18 SubtleArt wrote:On February 08 2011 00:55 LastWish wrote:
Well I usually wait 30s-1minute, but only if the opponent asks politely and says the reason.
Otherwise I'm not obliged to accept anyone's "wait for me I need to poo or sth" requests.
But its a little more mannered if you do. If some1 pauses they have a reason for pausing. I don't understand how some1 could use the feature as a way of grieving...aren't they just ruining their own experience too? The only time I unpause instantly is when I'm clearly about to win, in which case yes they're doing it to be annoying. If its like the beginning of a game its pretty bm to unpause for some1. Just screams "desperate for ladder wins" to me, pretty pathetic. Its not bm because guess what? My schedule may not work with yours, guess you shouldn't of pressed the "find game" button....it's also not my fault for someone "inconveniencing" you by coming to the door or calling your phone or anything. You pressed "find game", deal with the consequences. You're telling me your schedule allows you to play a ladder game but at the same time it's too busy for you to wait 30 seconds for someone to answer a phone call? Sorry but you're full of shit. Why should you assume that your opponent should have to wait for you, when you could just as easily let it go to voicemail? better yet, let's compare this to sports, since everyone likes to go there with analogies and what not. Pick up 3 on 3 basketball game, your opponent wants you to stop for three minutes so he can take his daily phone call from his girlfriend. And you're supposed to be a jerkoff if you say fuck off and do it later? You're offering a stupid example. Of course I'm not gonna wait for 3 minutes, but when I'm playing a casual game of basketball with friends and someone needs to tie his shoes yes, I'll wait 30 seconds for him to do so. No one is obligated to wait for some1 to pause but it's just a little nicer if you do. I mean really, its not even a minute. Its pretty arrogant to assume that much time will actually matter to you. You're playing a game that averages like 15 minutes anyway, what the extra 30 seconds worth. Absolutely no sacrifice on your part, while your opponent basically auto losses because you can't be bothered. Like I said you're not under any obligation to wait but it would make the world a little nicer and everyones gaming experience just a little better if you weren't a complete douche just cause you're allowed to be. If I was outside with my friends playing basketball and one of them needed to tie their shoe, of course I wouldn't mind. I'm outside, with my friends. You're not asking me to socialize with my friends and simply pausing the game in StarCraft. You're asking me to stare at a frozen computer screen with literately nothing to do. That sure sounds like a lot of fun. ....for 30 seconds... you can't wait for 30 seconds....its so borign to wait for 30 seconds that you'd rather ruin some1 elses game....do you have ADD or something?
So It's okay for them to ruin my whole experience of the game by pausing it?
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I wait between 30s and 1minute without explanation. If you explain I may wait even longer, I'm that generous.
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This happened to me early beta when I was in like gold league, god that drove me insane, I'd say of the 5-6 times i had to pause, only once did the person actually wait for me.
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I understand Hot Bid's point of view, but Id like to look at technical difficulties. I was in a 3v3 with 2 friends and one of them had an issue, Keyboard/Mouse or something went crazy. It was actually pretty funny to watch the replay, he had rallys and queued commands all over the place. I've never seen so many red and green lines...
Anyways, we paused, said we had technical issues, but they just unpaused instantly. Shouldn't someone be given a chance to unplug/replug mouse or something like that? Maybe they could add 1 team pause per game where the team can pause and the other team can't unpause for a minute? Just give us 60 seconds to try to fix it?
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I don't see how the potential for technical difficulty changes anything. It certainly doesn't justify pauses where the opponents can't unpause, the chance of that feature being abused is quite high and would cause so much grief and anger versus the actual benefit of it. What's the worst that can happen when one of your allies loses control? You guys lose the game very rarely? The worst that can happen with a team pause is thousands of games extended extra minutes because idiots abuse the feature.
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When I sit down to play, I expect to play. If you have something come up in the middle of the game then man up and quit. The fact that someone came to your door, you don't have your responsibilities in order, or whatever should not mean that I have to wait around. This kind of sense of entitlement comes up everywhere, not just in Starcraft, and it drives me crazy. FFS, they're ladder points!
That said I've never unpaused a game on someone even after 5 minutes of waiting because I wanted to do them a favor, like Hot_bid is saying. Ask, but don't expect it. The suggestion that people are assholes for unpausing is ridiculous, you are the one imposing on them!
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I always request for pause via "ppp" then pause it and give a reason. I tend to let people pause if given good reasons in reasonable amount of time. I've never met someone who has asked for a pause outside of tournaments but everytime I pause and put a legit reason, they usually unpause it and I proceed to die to something. Frustrating indeed.
Though I always unpause it in custom games (like Starbattle, Nexus Wars, etc) since you can idle for a minute without dire consequences.
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So lemme get this straight -- you think it's rude that someone is unpausing when you pause? But you don't think it's rude that you are pausing and wasting someone else's time?
-If someone just randomly pauses and doesn't tell me why, I automatically unpause and I don't feel bad about it at all.
-If someone politely asks, I'll wait a minute or two.
Just like you play ladder to "get better" someone could easily excuse their behavior by saying "it makes me better to play more games, therefore I'm not gonna waste my time with random people pausing on me." As a matter of fact, I look for GOOD games more than I do winning, and the fact that someone pauses on me makes me feel like I'm being robbed of that, so it's all the more reason for me to rush up the game to play the next one.
I mean seriously, what do you have to do that's so important that it can't wait until after the game? Even if you have to pee, the average game is what, 9-11 minutes (per Blizzcon 2010 statistics)? Answer the door? How long does it take to say "30 secs please, doorbell." Even that, if you're expecting someone, leave the door unlocked and tell them to come in. Anything other than the rare 30 sec - 1 min emergency, I don't see ANY OTHER reason that you should need to pause. Any longer than that, just leave.
Bottom-line: Etiquette is a two-way street. If you haven't prepared to play a game of SC2 without distractions, be prepared to take a loss.
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There shouldn't even be a pause option ^_^
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Wow TL has a lot of mannered people or I must be bm or something. I just wait for like 10 seconds if they ask to pause and will resume whether or not they're ready. If they don't even say anything, pause the game, and don't respond to me I resume it right there. I didn't start a game to have to wait for you to get the door or answer a phone call.
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That, I disagree with. There are situations where in pro-games, they need to pause due to technical difficulties, lag due to casting issues, etc.
I've tried to think of all the situations and potential Blizzard implementations that can deal with this issue best, and I think they've pretty much hit in the head. The pausing system we have now is the best possible anyone could've come up with.
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Anyone who doesn't wait a few seconds for someone who pauses the game with a reason is terrible manner... 30 seconds is not a lot of time, you are bad manner if you cannot give 30 seconds.
There is no point in time where 30 seconds makes or breaks your gaming session. There is no point in time where 30 seconds will ruin your whole gaming session.
There is another human being at the other side of the screen, and they have something come up unexpectedly in their life. Give them 30 seconds, I mean hell... there will be a time when something happens to you and you will wish someone would give you 30 seconds.
Hell, the happiness you give someone else by waiting 30 seconds far outweighs the boredom you feel by waiting for 30 seconds.
It kinda pisses me off that there are so many people who aren't even decent enough to wait for 30 seconds for another human being... by not waiting you could potentially ruin their whole gaming session. By waiting, your gaming session is delayed by 30 seconds, but it sure as hell isn't ruined.
If you cannot wait 30 seconds, which is nothing at all, you don't have to do anything, give anyone anything, and you lose nothing... then what kind of people are you when someone actually needs something :/.
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I don't see any reason to unpause unless you are solely laddering to win. Personally I ladder to get better at the game, which I don't if I use unfair advantages to win.
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I personally think that the pause function is quite useful in pro-games where technical difficulties do occur (or maybe you need to blow your nose), but honestly if someone is at your door, or if a phone call that is way too important to miss comes your way, then what you should do is leave the game and conduct your business without your mind in the game. And if the business maybe took you like 5 minutes, then start a new game. If your win-loss ratio on Battle.Net is so important to you that you cannot leave a game to deal with life, then maybe you should rethink your priorities.
but when I'm playing a casual game of basketball with friends and someone needs to tie his shoes yes, I'll wait 30 seconds for him to do so.
Well, actually, you don't. If someone's shoes comes undone when you are making a drive towards the basket or shooting the ball, you don't just stop driving/shooting and let him tie his shoes. Likewise, if his shoes comes undone during the play he won't stop the whole play just so he can tie his shoes (or maybe he will if it is a really friendly game). There is a time and place to stop and tie your shoes in a basketball game, just like there is a time and place to pause a game in StarCraft II. If it is a pro-game where a win or loss can mean the tournament, of course pausing is going to help. If it is a casual game on the B.Net ladder where everybody is just trying to have fun, then putting an abrupt halt to it just because you can't risk another loss on your profile is silly and unnecessary.
I don't want to promote unpausing though. Yes, there really is no justification for pausing, but that doesn't mean you aren't a dick if you unpause the game knowing that you will be able to get an advantage as he does whatever he paused to do. Yes he was wrong to pause the game, but that doesn't mean you are justified to unpause the game (now whether or not you feel bad about unpausing is clearly demonstrated as a different matter). In the end, it is just a choice. You may choose to be the guy who unpauses, or you may be the guy who is nice and willing to put up with someone else's mistake and/or incompetence so that everybody has a better time.
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I hate people who pause the game when I'm playing no offense but just because you're busy irl isn't a reason to waste my time if you have to leave your computer than leave the game. Pausing is a silly thing alot of people do on the lower ladder to throw you off tempo. I mean it's a ladder game it's not that big of a deal. One lose cause something came up it's going to demote you.
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Some people may unpause because they need to hurry up in real life, not everyone has all the time in the world to sit and wait. But still there's not much reason to complain about "unpausers" because you can't pause in most games online and if you can they give a timer.
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man yeah that would bug the fuck out of me as well if somebody unpaused a game I paused.
I guess it's something from Brood War where I guess players had more respect for each other on ICCup and obs games.
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I hate people who pause the game to get a phone call. Keep the mobile on your desk, see who's calling. If it's not important, call back after the game. If it's more important like a call for a job or from the hospital where your granma is then just leave the game to take the call.
If the reason for which you pause is more important than a game, just leave the game. If it isn't then it can wait until the end of the game. Yesterday on iccup I was playing a guy and he said that the pizza delivery just arrived and he just left the game. I got a freewin which seemed totally normal.
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What annoys me most is people who ask you for time, then immediately unpause when they get back without asking if you're ready. What the crap? Seriously?
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