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So over winter break I introduced my brother to BW and apparently it has become his latest video-game obsession. Not only does this warm my heart but is also hugely better than having him waste all his time on a kid oriented WoW clone. It's also practically occupational therapy for him since he is awful at multitasking and responding to things quickly.
But the biggest thing is that it is absolutely adorabe ![[image loading]](http://209.85.62.26/html/emoticons/wub.gif)
Here is a replay of him beating the computer for the first time:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16975832/Computer In Defeat.rep
BWChart says he had 28 APM but that number is deflated by the part of the game where he has to just kill all of the computers buildings. Still, his peak APM was less than 60.
Here is a map that he made:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16975832/Water2.scm
He really likes map making.
Also I am reiterating my call for BW guides aimed at the the lowest skill levels because I did not get any the last time I asked : 3
Other things that I found amusing:
- At first he played mainly as protoss since I told him it was the easiest race. But then when he was playing the campaign (original starcraft; gotta give him a complete education
 ) he was playing that TvT mission where you start with a hero BC and 2 CC's and you float them and there's nuclear silos waiting for you and I was like, just make tanks and siege them, tanks kick ass. I come back some time later and he's like, oh my gosh you were right, tanks are soooooooooo good. He doesn't know much, but he was able to figure that out XD
- He told me he doesn't like playing as zerg because you can't queue units, you have to wait for larvae
- Because he doesn't like zerg, he used cheats to get through their campaign; "I using power overwhelming but I figured out some other helpful cheats"
- The first time we played (me T him P, on a map he made (I think that's a different version of the map but the terrain was the same)) I sent an SCV to scout him and he says "you're trying to distract me", "and it's working". I realized he is thinking of that part of the blizzard strategy guide about using a scout to distract the opponent. Then my first 2-3 vultures (very delayed because of the location of the geysers) killed all his probes because he had no dragoons
- The second time we played (same map, same mu) we agreed that we wouldn't attack each other until he said it was ok to do so. When he does, he has like 2 carriers and about 100 supply worth of gateway units (mostly archons) but not observers, and I land 3 nukes on his main and then amove my ~maxed tank/battlecruiser army
- He wants to play against me again. He's definitely improved (he can beat the computer now!) but I think he thinks he might beat me >__>
My hope is that my repeatedly crushing him (accompanied by praise of his very real and constant improvement) will motivate him to improve; idk what else would seeing as finding opponents of his skill level is basically impossible
I can't wait for the next time I'm home so I can watch pro games with him and stuff 
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That's so cyuuuuute~
I wish I had a sibling to share my hobbies with D:
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An 11 year old taking an interest in a game that was created before he was born, with 2D graphics, I salute your brother for that.
I wish I had a brother who could play games with me like that T_T. Maybe you should show him some pro matches.
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I almost started playing wizard city lmao
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I was interesting in SC1 when I was 7/8 years old and I yearned to play it watching my older bro play it. However, i got to play one game, in which I lost. However, I was addicted.
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On January 28 2011 17:02 stormtemplar wrote:
I have an 8 year old brother playing BW too, (I'm 13) pretty cool.
oh man; are you interested in setting them up to play against each other (on iccup)?
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Hehe, I tried getting my 13yo bro into bw but he only plays shitty flash games.
I installed it on my 7yo (now 8) cousins comp last summer. He still plays a here and there but he can only beat comps with me talking over his shoulder so I told him to play 2v1s.
He insisted that he wanted to play vs people so I set him up with some d- games (lol) and he actually survived for like 10 minutes though I think that says more about how bad the other players are...
I also told him to play p but he mostly plays t. The most annoying thing about trying to teach him really basic things is he always forgets building/unit names so I have to describe them repeatedly lol.
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On January 28 2011 16:31 LazyMacro wrote:
I wish I had a sibling to share my hobbies with D:
Me too nobody I know in general likes playing RTS games i'm a loner in that department here :/.
But thats awesome I am super jealous ^^
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On January 28 2011 17:02 stormtemplar wrote:
I have an 8 year old brother playing BW too, (I'm 13) pretty cool.
I made my 9 year old brother try SC:BW and he loved it, but now he kinda lost interest in it 
He have shown alot of interest in SC2 so i might let him try it ...someday :3
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Sounds so cool. I wish I had a brother to teach how to play. I only have a 6-year old
sister -_- (I'm 18)
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I tried introducing my brother to BW. He preferred drugs.
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I don't have any brothers or sisters but I tried getting my 13 years old cousin into Broodwar once.
Her excuse after playing couple of games against the computer:
"This game is awesome, but very hard and I feel I'm too stupid for it, sorry bro." p_p
Broke my heart...
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On January 28 2011 17:00 Monokeros wrote:
I almost started playing wizard city lmao
+1 ^__^;
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Hm...
I have a sister (16), and even though she does enjoy playing games occasionally (Mainly smash bros brawl though)
I tried to get her into SC, but she doesn't seems to like RTS D:
She did beat my D+ friend by 4 pooling though (the guy was super shocked, and I teased him about it for a week)
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My 13 year old brother started playing about a year ago when I introduced him to BW.
He has HUGE potential... and I'm not even kidding.
He first played Terran and he was like "MEH MECH IS BOOOORING"
Then he played Protoss. He was like "OMG WARP LOOKS AWESOME"
A few weeks later he played Toss for a while.
One time, while introducing him to the pro-scene, I managed to show him videos of none other than
*cough* The Maestro, the Bonjwa, Ma Jae Yoon. He was all giddy with excitement.
He was like "YOU NEVER TOLD ME ZERG IS COOL"
So I told him "Well, it isn't exactly noob friendly, but if you like it go for it"
Because I go to a University away from home, I only get to visit every 3 months.
So during my last visit, I asked my brother regarding the pro-scene.
He told me "BRO I TELL YOU. ZERG. OWNS. IT FREAKING OWNS."
I was like "lol what makes you say that"
He goes "Because Savior, Jaedong, Effort, July, and Yellow [storm zerg yellow] kicks everyone else's asses"
I'm like "NAAAAWWWW."
So he says "Wanna play a game over that?  "
I'm like "SUREE".
So it was PvZ on Python. I was like "ROFL THIS IS GONNA BE EZ"
Then he goes "Psh. Just wait"
So I basically go 14nex just because I think he's gonna be way too chicken to attack me.
Eventually when I go scout, I see lings ALREADY. I was like "WTF HOW DOES HE KNOW 4POOL"
I still won, but his ability to understand the game's mechanics is amazing.
The 2nd game, still on python, he opened with 3-hatch ala Savior. I was totally shocked to see him play with almost the same mechanics as I do.
I average at 220-280 apm. He averaged at 190-230. Not bad for a player who's been only playing for 2 and a half months....
Kids these days are getting better :|
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At that age, i was trolling my older brother by spamming mammoth tanks in cnc. Ahh the good days...
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Which race does he prefer playing, Terran or Protoss?
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On January 28 2011 20:13 Ero-Sennin wrote:
Which race does he prefer playing, Terran or Protoss?
T > P > Z, I think
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On January 28 2011 19:58 holydog wrote:
At that age, i was trolling my older brother by spamming mammoth tanks in cnc. Ahh the good days...
Stealth Tank harrass? Commando/Engineer drops in main base? Those were some other wicked strategies.
Gosh I loved that game.
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You can give him BWAI, it is more fun to play than default.
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Aww that's nice. I bought my 15 year old brother SC2 and the strategy guide. He didn't install it for a month and now only wants to play Rift
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On January 28 2011 20:50 sammler wrote:Aww that's nice. I bought my 15 year old brother SC2 and the strategy guide. He didn't install it for a month and now only wants to play Rift
It's not that odd Sammler. I have a bro-in-law that buys games with immense multiplayer potential, played the limited single player mode/s and then let's the game rot into obscurity on his computer.
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That is cute,...i did startet playing SC as i was 10....thats now 5 years(nearly, i get 15 in a few weeks) and i can remember how it was to lern, but i played against KI and online,i never got into the singel player things,played them mostly with cheats to get the cool story, but nah,thats it.
somewhen iw as actually good.
but i am somone who doesnt frustrate that easy.
do you think beating the crap out of your brother all the time is a good idea to make him want to improve?
it does not always work
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On January 28 2011 21:24 N1ghtmare wrote:
do you think beating the crap out of your brother all the time is a good idea to make him want to improve?
it does not always work
I don't think that's what OP is saying. What he is doing is allowing him to learn from his faults and offering constructive feedback on ways to improve his game. In many ways shouldn't that be a life philosphy also: to review the failings and improve upon them, or to find ways to become better?
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On January 28 2011 21:26 SegataSan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 21:24 N1ghtmare wrote:
do you think beating the crap out of your brother all the time is a good idea to make him want to improve?
it does not always work I don't think that's what OP is saying. What he is doing is allowing him to learn from his faults and offering constructive feedback on ways to improve his game. In many ways shouldn't that be a life philosphy also: to review the failings and improve upon them, or to find ways to become better?
My hope is that my repeatedly crushing him (accompanied by praise of his very real and constant improvement) will motivate him to improve
Thats why i was not sure.
also,if you fail at something,that doesnt quite mean you had a choice,it doesnt quite mean you can actually improve.
THere are peoples on the maximum of theire capabilitys,theyre literally maxed out, its like a supply limted,200 is max,whatever u build for OLs/SDs/Pilons, more tahn 200 is just not possible.
Humans do ahve such a maximum of "W/E" they are doing too, and somewhen you just cannot improve anymore, or atleast not now(maybe because hes to jung,things like this,you know?)
like however the 11 yo brother will improve, even if he will be the best 11 yo on the world,if hes maxed out,he still wouldnt even have a chance against Boxer,because boxer is experiented and also older(not that this would matter,but i was way worse as iw as younger too,althought i played more and was ina better shape....)
hope you understnad what i try to say
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On January 28 2011 21:24 N1ghtmare wrote:
do you think beating the crap out of your brother all the time is a good idea to make him want to improve?
it does not always work
I understand that, but the only way he would beat me right now is if I tried (really REALLY hard) to lose or gave him some absurd handicap and I think that is way less likely to make him want to improve. Every time we've played it's been because he wanted to, and I don't think it'll take very many more games for him to realize "hey I'm just not good enough to beat him right now." That is all I mean when I say "repeatedly crushing him."
Also I am generally more interested in him having fun. At that age I was just dicking around with UMS, there's no reason why he should have to be super competitive and focused on improving. But if he does care about improving I can't deny that that would make me pretty happy.
The best thing would be to find other people around his level for him to play with but that is a difficult task.
edit: I understand what you are saying, but I doubt that is actually a limitation for him; he is so inexperienced both in terms of strategy and mechanics that he has a long way to go before he hits any innate limit.
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seriously though if anyone can help me find a practice partner for him that would be amazing
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On January 28 2011 21:46 Crunchums wrote:
seriously though if anyone can help me find a practice partner for him that would be amazing
Has he thought about asking people in his social circle? School friends or team mates? He might be surprised where he finds people to partner up with.
I found mine through work in an odd discussion that uncovered an underground coven of gamers. Was taken back by it actually. Some of them and their demographics shocked me.
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On January 28 2011 21:52 SegataSan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 21:46 Crunchums wrote:
seriously though if anyone can help me find a practice partner for him that would be amazing Has he thought about asking people in his social circle? School friends or team mates? He might be surprised where he finds people to partner up with. I found mine through work in an odd discussion that uncovered an underground coven of gamers. Was taken back by it actually. Some of them and their demographics shocked me.
He is not very good with people and as such does not have very many friends. Also I am hesitant to potentially cause problems (with parents) by trying to get 11 year olds to play a T for Teen game.
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On January 28 2011 21:46 Crunchums wrote:
seriously though if anyone can help me find a practice partner for him that would be amazing
i could ask my best friend,hes 18 he NEVER played sc without cheats, or his lil brother,which is 12 who did actually played without cheats but both players have a good knowledge of the mechanic and the units,so they probably even eat your brother too. saldy.
i can really hard try to not win, like playing with zerglings only, or things like this.
but i guess that wont work,not because i doint want to lose more because i am just not used to lose because i want to lose(i am a ladder wh***)
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I'm teaching my 2 year old brother the Banelings-song, and how Husky is.
It's a work in progress ^^
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I remember being 12-13 and super addicted to Starcraft. There's just something captivating about that game. I couldn't explain why I loved it, I just kinda did. I played it all the time and I just couldn't explain to my bro (3 years older) why it was so amazing. Yeah, he liked the game but didn't LOVE it like I did, and it wasn't until I entered university and found out about the pro-gaming scene that I was able to convince my bro that SC is awesome. It's not surprising to me that a kid, even nowadays with the Halos and Gears or whatever would be absolutely hypnotized by the awesomeness of BW, despite how bad it looks relative to other games out there right now. There's just something satisfying with your screen shaking from the sound of siege tanks killing dragoons. Everything, from the sound effects to killing a base to moving units across a bridge just feels really satisfying in that game
On January 28 2011 17:26 vectorix108 wrote:
Sounds so cool. I wish I had a brother to teach how to play. I only have a 6-year old
sister -_- (I'm 18)
Hey! Blamous is getting his 4 year old daughter into SC2!
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Ya I play with my little brother all the time. He mostly just loves making maps but when I come home from college we always play on 4 player iccup maps. He's a zerg so I give him two zerg ai allies and usually I lose about 80% of the games becuase he always does some weird ass strategy that is completly absurd (like plauge dropping my depots while i'm defending the ai attack and then dropping upgraded lings into my base). The only way I could kill him is by attacking him early on and bunkering up to hold off the ai but I always shift tab so all of the enemy zergs appear as red and sometimes he mimicks the ai's build orders at the opening of the game so that it is impposible to tell which are he spawned at.
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My brother can be a practice partner for your brother, but I think the skill difference between them is way too big :| Idk though. I might be willing to throw some games just to help him improve
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Nice man. Last year, I gave my old computer to my 9 yr old brother when I went off to college and to my surprise, he started playing bw and beat the campaign. He's gotten a bit better but he finds playing surf maps in cs and 4v4's in sc2 a bit more fun.
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On January 29 2011 01:16 puppykiller wrote:
Ya I play with my little brother all the time. He mostly just loves making maps but when I come home from college we always play on 4 player iccup maps. He's a zerg so I give him two zerg ai allies and usually I lose about 80% of the games becuase he always does some weird ass strategy that is completly absurd (like plauge dropping my depots while i'm defending the ai attack and then dropping upgraded lings into my base). The only way I could kill him is by attacking him early on and bunkering up to hold off the ai but I always shift tab so all of the enemy zergs appear as red and sometimes he mimicks the ai's build orders at the opening of the game so that it is impposible to tell which are he spawned at.
That's really cool. Do you know if he mimics the AI on purpose to fool you, or is that just what he does?
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On January 29 2011 03:14 Purind wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 01:16 puppykiller wrote:
Ya I play with my little brother all the time. He mostly just loves making maps but when I come home from college we always play on 4 player iccup maps. He's a zerg so I give him two zerg ai allies and usually I lose about 80% of the games becuase he always does some weird ass strategy that is completly absurd (like plauge dropping my depots while i'm defending the ai attack and then dropping upgraded lings into my base). The only way I could kill him is by attacking him early on and bunkering up to hold off the ai but I always shift tab so all of the enemy zergs appear as red and sometimes he mimicks the ai's build orders at the opening of the game so that it is impposible to tell which are he spawned at. That's really cool. Do you know if he mimics the AI on purpose to fool you, or is that just what he does?
Ya he does it on purpous to make his base unobvious so when I move out to attack I cant take him out first and win (if I take an ai out first I usually die becuase he'll make like 7 hatches and mass upgraded lings). Of course I can always tell which units are his becuase they move really sloppily and dont react right away when I attack them :p
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