• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:57
CEST 11:57
KST 18:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers13Maestros of the Game 2 announced72026 GSL Tour plans announced14Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid24
StarCraft 2
General
Recover Your Bitcoin With US Top Hacker - Stormbyt Maestros of the Game 2 announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed Any progamer "explanation" videos like this one? ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group D [ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2043 users

4v4 and more [noob view]

Blogs > BasilPesto
Post a Reply
BasilPesto
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia624 Posts
January 21 2011 07:39 GMT
#1
1. 4v4 team games are infinitely less stressful and nerve racking than 1v1 games. I think I've found my niche in SC2 (yet to give 2v2 and 3v3 games a run). But yeah, I suck at 1v1s. I've never really played RTS games until now, so I feel very much behind the eight ball. My mind is simply not conditioned for the multitasking requirements of SC2. Instead, I've had a history of playing games where you run around like a headless chicken, spraying and praying.

After consulting such threads 1, 2, 3, I've decided that massing tier 1 units is the best option. With that, I went 3-2 in placement and ended in gold! How nice.

2. Brother Mack prays for Brother Jinro
[image loading]

Brother Mack is awesome. Get him to GSL!!! He can provide colour commentary.

3. Relating back to 1, how do all you people fit SC2 in your lives? I've got so many things nagging at me, have books to read, things to draw, music to listen to, other games to play, movies to watch. I can't play more than a few games of SC2 before moving on to something else.

4. Interestingly enough, I love monitoring teamliquid for all the recent news, goss and oddities on SC2. I'll browse strategy threads even though I won't make use of it. I'll keep in touch with all the latest patch changes, even though none is big enough to actually change my minimal gameplay.



"I before E...*sunglasses*... except after C." - Jim Carrey
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
January 21 2011 08:15 GMT
#2
I almost have the reverse problem you do with team play vs solo play - I'm doing fine in 1v1s (low masters random) but it seems I always try to do 1v1 builds in team games and my ally ends up sucking while i almost hold a rush or something and just get stomped, while i would have smashed either player on the other team in a 1v1

On the other hand, I have the same problem as you in #3, I get maybe 3 ladder games done per day after warming up in free for alls or playing 2s with irl friends. Maybe that's where I get my hatred for 2s, 3s, and 4s, because they're all terrible and if I get rushed by two people it's usually GG if they're halfway competent.
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 12:04:41
January 21 2011 11:31 GMT
#3
On January 21 2011 17:15 Thermia wrote:
I almost have the reverse problem you do with team play vs solo play - I'm doing fine in 1v1s (low masters random) but it seems I always try to do 1v1 builds in team games and my ally ends up sucking while i almost hold a rush or something and just get stomped, while i would have smashed either player on the other team in a 1v1

Team games have a dramatically different focus than 1v1.

2v2:
tier 1-1.5 only
don't scout
proxy the shit out of the map
you expo you lose
if you expo and you don't lose you could have won the game earlier

3v3:
suprisingly similar to 1v1
one of you should scout for proxies and/or rushes
proxy rushes, turtle techs and expanding all work
many synergies exist in the map (share entrances, ramps being close)
focus on countering the enemy unit composition
if they have a much to diverse ball, try to out-macro them
this is actually my favorite mode because it is the most versatile gametype

4v4:
heavy teamplay dependent - chose a tactic at the beginning and stick to it!
scout late
rushes can work, but don't all in as even if you take out one enemy it often isn't worth the tech delay of 2 of your team
ech is more important than expansions, try to get your tech ready, some units and THEN some additional bases
focus on heavy HP units as they are easier to micro
ZERGS SPREAD CREEP LIKE CRAZY ... this is actually very very important

they all feel alot different than
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
January 21 2011 11:58 GMT
#4
yeah you definitely can't play 2v2 and up with a 1v1 mentality. Fast expansions are even more riskier.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
January 21 2011 13:49 GMT
#5
I'm actually scared of playing 2v2, the timing rushes, the unit composition rock paper scissors game is almost scary. This is of course playing from a random POV. So the moral of the story is... 2v2 random, GL.

I agree with Jacen, 3v3 is much funner to play than any other modes. 4v4,, whoever has that AOE killer unit, you'd probably win.
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
RawrAnOcean
Profile Joined February 2006
United States359 Posts
January 21 2011 14:18 GMT
#6
I use to love 1v1s in BW. Consistently got B-/C+ many seasons and loved how intense it was. So obviously I was excited for SC2 and being above average there. SC2 for me was lack luster, mainly because Terran and Protoss doesn't fit my style and the Zerg flavor is gone. Mainly saying lurkers and defilers which made Zerg so fun. Also most of my friends are in bronze.

1v1: I just don't have the motivation to get good. I got up to diamond and was content. Waiting for the next expansion hoping for some good Zerg units to make 1v1 more fun.

2v2: Fun with certain friends. Very dependent on ally and teamwork so playing with certain people or random can get frustrating. I feel like 2v2 can be the most fun since I had the most epic moments in it.

3v3: I find the most casual. Usually strats either have to be very serious and coordinated attacks or can be pretty laid back with some high tech units.

4v4: I find to be the worst. Either one friend or some random will decided the team can hold a 4 man rush and tech up to some high end unit with everyone dead, he's stalling with mass carriers.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 128
SortOf 109
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 2013
Hyuk 1204
Jaedong 769
Leta 419
BeSt 377
actioN 233
Stork 169
Rush 153
Soma 150
Killer 99
[ Show more ]
Mini 91
Dewaltoss 71
JYJ 71
Larva 56
ZerO 50
sSak 42
Backho 41
Sharp 41
ToSsGirL 38
sorry 28
Sacsri 20
soO 20
Bale 17
yabsab 16
NotJumperer 15
Hm[arnc] 12
HiyA 11
Dota 2
XaKoH 430
XcaliburYe172
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1494
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King120
Other Games
singsing1138
ceh9689
Pyrionflax155
Trikslyr29
RotterdaM10
ZerO(Twitch)3
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7980
Other Games
gamesdonequick681
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade1083
• Jankos812
• Stunt476
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
3m
CranKy Ducklings27
Replay Cast
14h 3m
The PondCast
1d
KCM Race Survival
1d
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 1h
Gerald vs herO
Clem vs Cure
ByuN vs Solar
Rogue vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs TBD
OSC
1d 5h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 14h
Escore
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Universe Titan Cup
3 days
Rogue vs Percival
Ladder Legends
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Ladder Legends
4 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Soma vs TBD
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
TBD vs YSC
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-20
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.