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I don't really understand how it happend. When I was in the US, I only played one day a week, with a mac keyboard, at the university's computer lab, but I still got to 1800+ Diamond three months ago, when not many people were over 2.5k. I was ranked like top 5,400 in the world, according to sc2ranks. Now, I find myself in Silver League. I'll try to explain what happend.
I started playing near the end of beta, and kept on playing, but very rarely, because I had to prepare for SAT's and stuff. So during about September/October, I think I was in my prime, because that's when my rank was highest. But after that, my parents only let me play once a month, because my SAT scores weren't going up. They still havn't gone up, but whatever, I understand what my parents were starting to do. Anyway, after the SAT, I played again, but this time much worse, and lost like 150 points, even with my 500 points from not playing. So I thought I was just in a slump, but then something happened.
I moved to Korea. It wasn't to play SC2 or anything like that, it was for academic reasons, and my family decided to move back. So anyway, I went to a PC Bang with my cousins, and played some SC2. I started the placement matches, started off 2-0, and thought maybe that I was getting my rhythm back. But then, I lost to an SCV-marine rush, and I was devastated. I never lost this early in placements before, and I was pretty stunned. Then, I lost the next game to a marine-marauder push, which I couldn't hold off because I was macroing too hard. By then, I wasn't mad, but just really disappointed. However, next game, I won. I thought I would at least get into gold league, but I got into bronze!
I thought for sure that the laddering system was wrong, but I dropped games to bronze, silver, and gold players. I eventually got to silver league the next time I went to a PC Bang, but my record is a lowly 12-14. I began to realize that I really was a silver player because I mean, I just lost to straight out macro games to some of the players.
I'm not really sure why I dropped so far, but I can think of a few reasons.
1. Korean server is just better than the US server.
2. I played too much on iccup while in Korea. I've been here for about a month, and my laptop won't play SC2, plus my parents wouldn't let me go to PC Bangs much, so I played iccup a lot. I managed to get to D+ rank with a record of 33-48.
http://kr.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/Tazza7.html
3. The time that I took off caused me to not grasp the new builds/strategies.
What do you guys think happened?
Btw, just for extra info, my apm for SC2 is around 90, used to be around 105. Oh, and I play zerg both SC1 and SC2
 
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people learned how to stop 4 gate apparently
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On January 18 2011 15:50 esla_sol wrote:
people learned how to stop 4 gate apparently
I'm a zerg player in SC1 and SC2
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I don't know, but I think that people overall are getting a lot better. I think it's just a game that takes a ton of practice :/ Sounds like you haven't had time to do much of that. Stick with it and I'm sure you'll be back to Diamond in no time!
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Game has changed so much in the last few months.
in the beginning: almost any strategy would get you to diamond. Your average player did not understand build orders, macro, micro, tech trees, workers/fighting units, strategy etc etc etc
Now there are standard builds that your average sc2'er can pull off pretty well.
Sc2 is a game where you must adapt to the newest strategies, 4 gate's cannon fast expands, 7rr, 8pool's, stim rush, concussive shell's rush, they all existed before, but now they are well known, and any decent sc2 player knows all the good builds for their own race, and the important ones form their enemies and how to counter them.
don't worry, you can jump form silver to diamond fast and vice versa. Watch some more recent replays of SOLID players(not gimmick players) and perfect a build. I always tell my friends the first thing they have to do it to "Perfect a build". Perfecting a build is not the same as having a "perfect build". All I mean is, play one build 25-30 times in a row, until you know everysingle strength and weakness of the build, then get really good at scouting, if you scout something that your build does well against, continue the build, scout something that counters your build, adapt.
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Not trying to insult you but I think you just need to get over the notion that being top 6000 in the world means anything. If you can get over this, then I think you can easily get back to that point.
The evidence supports that most diamond players have minimal micro/macro and build orders/understanding. This is more true for the lower diamond players.
There's probably some truth that the Korean servers are harder but I think if you just improve overall as a player, your rank will follow.
On another note, playing D+ iccup should've given you auto diamond in sc2.
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On January 18 2011 16:10 Ack1027 wrote:
Not trying to insult you but I think you just need to get over the notion that being top 6000 in the world means anything. If you can get over this, then I think you can easily get back to that point.
The evidence supports that most diamond players have minimal micro/macro and build orders/understanding. This is more true for the lower diamond players.
There's probably some truth that the Korean servers are harder but I think if you just improve overall as a player, your rank will follow.
On another note, playing D+ iccup should've given you auto diamond in sc2.
I know that it doesn't mean anything that I was top 6000. But I just wanted to point out how worse I've gotten. And I want to point out that I think I do have minimal micro/macro and build orders/understanding, because I've watched pro SC1 for three years now, and played SC1, and know just about all the zerg build orders, and some toss/terran ones too. It is true that I'm not familiar with the SC2 builds and stuff, but you can't just say that I don't understand them now.
Also, yes D+ doesn't mean auto diamond, but there is that saying that D in iccup stand for Diamond. And look at some of the replies this thread got. "C- means god-level in SC2" "GSL is in reach for you"
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=184833
I'm most definitely not bragging about anythin in this thread, but I just want to understand more about why I became so bad. The comments above, talking about how the game is changing so fast gave me another reason.
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I'm a little confused too. I can understand a drop, but you fell a very significant margin. Maybe you just need to play more games for the matchmaking system to become more certain about your skill level, and silver league doesn't represent you well.
I suppose if you by any chance have some old replays of yourself, you could watch and compare. Other than that, do your best and you'll start climbing the ladder faster than your average player.
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The exact opposite happened to me lol. I didn't play for almost 10 weeks and 4days ago i got promoted to master league while imo i shouldve been in plat or gold. This still doesn't say much about me and the EU server but i find it curious compared to your story.
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Korean server is a horse of another color
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It's always a shock when someone learns they're really bad. 33-48 D+ is pretty awful too compared to good iccup players, or even the average C player. This is the problem with foreign SC2 - people think they're actually good or something just because they make mid diamond.
Don't blame me for pointing it out, blame blizzard for their god awful ranking system that focuses on making noobs feel good.
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You're just out of practice man. Play some games and you'll get it back. Also, everyone has gotten better. When I looked at bronze players back in the day, it was hilarious. Now they just make stupid mistakes here or there. I would guess it's a combo of you being out of practice, people getting better all around, and the korean server being a little higher level.
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On January 18 2011 18:42 [Eternal]Phoenix wrote:
It's always a shock when someone learns they're really bad. 33-48 D+ is pretty awful too compared to good iccup players, or even the average C player. This is the problem with foreign SC2 - people think they're actually good or something just because they make mid diamond.
Don't blame me for pointing it out, blame blizzard for their god awful ranking system that focuses on making noobs feel good.
Do you even know iccup? C player is definitely not "average" It might seem average because its in the middle of A B C D E, but it's not that. It is not easy to get to C level for anyone.
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On January 19 2011 00:26 Tazza wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 18:42 [Eternal]Phoenix wrote:
It's always a shock when someone learns they're really bad. 33-48 D+ is pretty awful too compared to good iccup players, or even the average C player. This is the problem with foreign SC2 - people think they're actually good or something just because they make mid diamond.
Don't blame me for pointing it out, blame blizzard for their god awful ranking system that focuses on making noobs feel good. Do you even know iccup? C player is definitely not "average" It might seem average because its in the middle of A B C D E, but it's not that. It is not easy to get to C level for anyone.
Yeah bro, even keeping D on iccup right now is pretty hard.
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On January 18 2011 18:42 [Eternal]Phoenix wrote:
It's always a shock when someone learns they're really bad. 33-48 D+ is pretty awful too compared to good iccup players, or even the average C player. This is the problem with foreign SC2 - people think they're actually good or something just because they make mid diamond.
Don't blame me for pointing it out, blame blizzard for their god awful ranking system that focuses on making noobs feel good.
It would work, too, if not for posts like this?
I don't see a problem when people who have no intentions of being progamers are able to continually see their rise as they improve in skill, as opposed to hitting a ceiling for months without any visible result.
If people really wanted to see if they're 'actually good' (I assume you mean 'good enough to compete', otherwise this is completely nonsensical) they would play in tournaments. Anything on ladder lower than top 200 is just for fun.
I wouldn't have responded to this if I thought this was a straight SC2 vs BW post, but I think that the OP is more of a BW fan which makes this all the more strange. Are you actually that elitist that anyone lower than C doesn't deserve to talk about their ladder rank? Because that's just insane.
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On January 18 2011 18:42 [Eternal]Phoenix wrote:
It's always a shock when someone learns they're really bad. 33-48 D+ is pretty awful too compared to good iccup players, or even the average C player. This is the problem with foreign SC2 - people think they're actually good or something just because they make mid diamond.
Don't blame me for pointing it out, blame blizzard for their god awful ranking system that focuses on making noobs feel good.
I don't think you understand how hard iccup is. C players is not average, they're pretty damn good. Just maintaining D right now is insanely hard. Please, don't make comparisons to BW if you don't know what you're talking about.
OT: I think that it's just the KR servers are way better. It's probably like laddering on Brainclan.
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Honestly watching Carefoot who is Plat in Korea it didn't seem like it was much better. It looked like the same stuff plat players do right here on the NA servers.
edit: I also think that people have a lack of perspective because they spend so much time watching pro games. People in mid diamond thinking they're good isn't because Blizzard made the ladder cater to noobs. Diamond/masters are still the top like 5-6% of the population. You can look at a guy in GSL Code S who fucks up hard and say "Wow, that dude is shit" but the truth is he'd roll you on the ladder and only looks bad because he's in a situation where he has to be compared to an absolutely miniscule subsection of the SC2 playing population. You can't really call people noobs or whatever for being mid diamond without sacrificing some of your objectivity.
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