• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:36
CET 12:36
KST 20:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down20ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier6Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League93
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 Power Rank: epic29 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.17 How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion SCHNAIL now supports Remastered Ziemie's Starcraft 1 Prequel Campaign Bot on ladder Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Women's StarCraft] MonstarZ vs BA 2026-10-30 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Star Con San Diego 2026
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8952 users

RANT: Do you HAVE to go robo vs T? 4 gate vs P? - Page 2

Blogs > Reignyo
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
January 17 2011 07:24 GMT
#21
On January 17 2011 14:04 Reignyo wrote:
Ok, this game is frustrating me.

PvZ is FINE

PvT, i would have like an 80 % win rate except for stupid banshees.
this just happened to me 3 times today.
4 player map, i scout his base last. He's walled off cant see anything cept some marines.
I go for a voidray with stalkers pick off his supply depot, marines, barracks, get up the ramp and see two port cloak banshees. GG i lose. theres nothing i can do, he just cloaks, kills my few stalkers, pumps out vikings and kills my one VR, flies over to my base kills my nexus, i try warping in stalkers, but i only have 2 gates, and he can just cloack and kill em. i lose.

same thing happens if i go blink stalkers.

PvP. 4 gate works, 3 gate robo works, but if i do ANYTHING else i lose. ive lost 4 games in the last two days where ive gone blink stalkers n lost to dt, he just has to hold off long enough for one dt to come out and i instantly lose

I dont get the point of even HAVING anything besides a robo bay and gateways vs P and T.
If i wanted to play rock paper scissors i would do just that.

StarCraft 2 is a poorly-designed game. Uninstall it and hang out in the Sports & Games forum. You'll be happy you did.
TheKing
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia186 Posts
January 17 2011 07:26 GMT
#22
Steal gas, and maybe think about getting hallucinations. They are good because you can use flying hallucinations to help the blink stalker build or you can use them to see up the cliff if you have a pylon near any of the edges of your opponents base.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 09:00:33
January 17 2011 08:53 GMT
#23
Guy that isn't the highest level of player (neither am I imo) and thinks he knows it all and thinks there are no other ways than 4gate or 3gate robo in a PvT or PvP. Unless you're a top Korean programer or someone like Tyler you don't.

I don't know if I should help you but I guess I'm too nice.

If you're always losing against banshees why aren't you just denying his option to go banshees?
As a Protoss it's so easy to prevent him for going early cloaked banshees by just stealing a gas. There is no way in hell he will be able to get cloak + a banshee before you have scouted it or atleast made a measurement for this.

It's 525 gas to just to get cloak and 1 banshee.

Whenever I think my opponent is going for a tech play like cloaked banshees then I just do a pre-emptive strike by stealing his gas.
It tells you a lot of things for 75 minerals. But the most important one for doing this is to prevent early cloaked banshees.

Edit:
Re-read your story a bit. When he's walled off early then you either scout at 13gate or just very wrong.
You need to get your own timing right of a Terran scout. A good indication would be that if you don't see his scv in your base around the time your gate is finished he's probably at the most furthest location. So scout there immediately. And use a Xel'naga tower to know where the opponent is. It seems you get your scout out too late. Just get an early scout at 9 or 10 food.

And PvT is somehow my favourite and strongest MU. Maybe because I play both T and P that I know the ins and out lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
January 17 2011 10:35 GMT
#24
i cant stand when people say shit like this.

Why is it that you never hear, 'us terrans are forced to go raven because theres the threat of dark templar' especially since raven tech is higher up on the tech tree.

it baffles me. If you want to go with air, please do it. If you go air and scout banshee play, build a few cannons. If not then you already have the tech to do so and you can upgrade gateway units which you should do anyway.

6 poll is a good skill toi have
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19:00
Weekly #153 (SHIN Mod Edition)
ByuN vs ShamelessLIVE!
TBD vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings221
CranKy Ducklings SOOP8
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
BRAT_OK 21
SHIN 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7742
Bisu 2266
Horang2 1535
Hyuk 1194
Zeus 412
BeSt 318
Mini 270
firebathero 262
Soma 223
scan(afreeca) 172
[ Show more ]
Rush 140
Last 136
Mind 131
Pusan 73
ToSsGirL 63
Soulkey 63
Barracks 45
Creator 44
Shinee 37
FanTaSy 32
Killer 26
sorry 21
sSak 19
Movie 19
yabsab 17
Classic 16
soO 14
Hm[arnc] 13
910 10
Noble 8
Counter-Strike
fl0m1583
Other Games
B2W.Neo967
DeMusliM362
MindelVK10
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL30777
Other Games
gamesdonequick488
ComeBackTV 360
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
[ Show 8 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
24m
Epic.LAN
1h 24m
IPSL
4h 24m
eOnzErG vs McRibbed
LancerX vs StRyKeR
AI Arena Tournament
5h 24m
OSC
1d 2h
Yamato Cup
1d 3h
IPSL
1d 5h
Artosis vs RiceHat
Kyrie vs Sony
Map Test Tournament
1d 11h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Ultimate Battle
2 days
Rush vs BeSt
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.