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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 12:27:46
December 31 2010 12:26 GMT
#21
Don't you guys ever get tired of this?

Or do BW-players have higher stamina levels too?
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lolol joke

I think it's cute ^^
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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
December 31 2010 12:54 GMT
#22
sc2 is horrible to watch, what else is new :o
You can't fight the feeling.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
December 31 2010 14:21 GMT
#23
What I don't get is - How is it possible that Blizzard fucks up in something as obvious as this??

Scarabs, spidermines, scourge and similar things turn a regular second into a gamebreaking moment!!

Without stuff like that SC2 can't possibly match BW.
Slakkoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1119 Posts
December 31 2010 16:03 GMT
#24
What does he do in the vid? Drops zealots so tanks and mine splash?
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
December 31 2010 16:04 GMT
#25
On December 31 2010 23:21 niteReloaded wrote:
What I don't get is - How is it possible that Blizzard fucks up in something as obvious as this??

Scarabs, spidermines, scourge and similar things turn a regular second into a gamebreaking moment!!

Without stuff like that SC2 can't possibly match BW.

I suppose it's because as much they market it towards eSports in the end their main concern is hard sales and thus we have a much less intimidating watered down version of BW with 3d graphics =P.
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
December 31 2010 16:10 GMT
#26
On January 01 2011 01:03 Slakkoo wrote:
What does he do in the vid? Drops zealots so tanks and mine splash?


Drop zealot to activate mines to kill a bunch of vulture and tank which can change the game since that's 2 production cycle worth of unit, also the fan excitement of him successfully doing it and making the terran looks like an idiot for sieging near spider mines.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
December 31 2010 16:15 GMT
#27
Is starcraft 2 even a standalone game? Without it's successor, it may only have captured an average size audience and had them play for two years as is common with new age games. The only thing that might save it from this fate are the two expansions.
shadesofkarma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Romania708 Posts
December 31 2010 18:12 GMT
#28
omgzzz but give SC2 like ten or twenty more years for the skill level to increase!!! u BW nerds have no patiencezzz!!!

omgzzz just wait for like all the expansions!!! when they add cool units it will be so much better!!!

but sc2 has cool graphix!!! bw graphix sukzorzz!!!

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Just kidding, BW is a great spectator game and I don't see SC2 getting to that level anytime soon.
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
December 31 2010 18:21 GMT
#29
For me, I'm always willing to accept that SC2 expansions may add new game-play elements that make it exciting to watch. In the game's current state, no matter how skilled the players become, I doubt it will be as exciting for me, as even some of the more mediocre BW games. I'll give it another chance if someone recommends a game somewhere down the line that must absolute be seen, but so far there have been only a handful of games that I've personally enjoyed. Unfortunately, a large part of the dislike I feel is due to the graphics; they look "good", but I don't consider them watchable for more than a game or two. Everything just starts to blur together and gives me a headache.

I've been too busy to watch much BW as of late, but I've tried to tune into some of the earlier PL games, and every time I do, I enjoy every single second of it (including my time tabbed to something else as I listen to Korean commercials.)
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 31 2010 18:23 GMT
#30
On December 31 2010 16:30 Macavenger wrote:
In case it isn't obvious from the title, this post contains spoilers from MSL groups F and H. If you haven't seen them and don't want to be spoiled, now's your chance to quit reading.

So I hadn't watched much BW in a while, due to both being somewhat more interested in SC2 and trying to keep my sleep schedule relatively regular during college. Last night I had time, and a couple of my favorite players were playing, so I decided to stay up and watch. It really reminded me just how much better of a spectator sport BW is relative to SC2. Watching Perfectman harass Midas nearly to death with DTs, then somehow manage to throw away the huge advantage as Midas desperately countered (maybe he overcommitted to the DTs?). Bisu and Kal's first games were both awesome. Even Bisu stomping Kal in a build order win was very enjoyable to watch (possibly moreso because I'm a Bisu fan). I think the only time SC2 has ever entertained me as much as those games was the TLO-Hyperdub game in GSL with tons of nukes. And this despite the fact that I apparently missed the game of the night, as I went to bed after Bisu 2-0'd.

I got to thinking about why these relatively simple BW games could be so much more exciting than many of the better SC2 games, and I really think it's the tension of game changing abilities. It's Reavers, Mines, and Scourge. Seeing Kal destroy Really with terrifically placed Scarabs just has no equivalent in SC2 right now. Even after the wildly successful DTs in the Bisu/Kal game, there was tension watching the Reaver harass, thinking "well Bisu is way ahead, but if Kal can get a couple of these Scarabs to land..." SC2 needs more moments that can change an entire game in an instant. It's far from hopeless. Forcefields have the potential in some situations. Seeker Missiles might be able to if they were reworked significantly. There's hope for expansions, though Blizzard will need to reverse the current trend of making units like Colossi, Thors etc. high DPS but low(er) damage per shot.

I don't hate SC2 or anything. I find it at least as fun to play as BW was, possibly more so. Certainly, for all the things Bnet 2 got wrong, the AMM makes it so much easier to just hop on and find a game if I want to. But I've yet to pay for GSL and just don't see a lot of reason to at this point. SC2 just isn't up to par for spectators yet.

I think I'm going to start watching Brood War more often again. Last night was fun.


The irony is that Blizzard's AMM came from Warcraft 3, not BNET 2.0. AMM is not a new concept at all.
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