• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:31
CEST 19:31
KST 02:31
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"2ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!26Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)90
StarCraft 2
General
Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format What's the best tug of war? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Diablo IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Games can Help with Majo…
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4097 users

Ladder Report 1.2

Blogs > Dromar
Post a Reply
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-11 19:11:44
December 11 2010 16:51 GMT
#1
So, I've been pretty busy this last month, but class is finally over, and all I have left is to grade the final exams for my College Algebra class and I'm done. I have to work on my thesis over winter break, but other than that I have the month off, so I plan on brushing off the dust on my hands and getting going.

So the PTR came out pretty recently, and chat rooms are awesome. I've wanted to get a 1v1play/obs group going for so long, but it's practically impossible without chat rooms. In fact, as soon as I logged onto the PTR, that's what I did. In fact, I eventually played a Bo5 against a Terran named Sultanico that was great practice, and the 5th game may be the best game of SC2 I've played thus far. I've posted it below in the replays section.

Onto the analysis:

1v1 analysis:

Zerg(56 games)
(16)ZvZ: 7- 9 43.8%
(17)ZvP:11- 6 64.7%
(23)ZvT:10-13 43.5%

28-28 50.0%

This Season:
Zerg(200 games)
(74)ZvZ: 36-38 48.6%
(59)ZvP: 36-23 61.0%
(67)ZvT: 37-30 55.2%

109-91 54.5%

So I went 50/50 this session over 56 games. I'm starting to match up against players that are really close to my skill level. I have to say the auto-matchmaking is awesome.

ZvZ:
In ZvZ I've been a bit too greedy, and I've also been a bit lax in keeping up scouting for tech switches to muta. Other than that, my play still hasn't been too great. As I said I've been too greedy. The problem is when my opponent gets their first larva inject, are they making ling/baneling? roaches? or are they making drones? I've been making drones, and this creates a specific timing window where my opponent could potentially have a much larger army than myself. If maps were larger I don't think this would be a problem, but on smaller maps/closer positions I think I need to learn to be the aggressive one, because that timing window can often be game.

ZvP:
ZvP is certainly my best matchup, and the matchup I'm most comfortable in. My general build order is the same:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hatch-Pool
Ling Speed
Lair
Hydra Den-2 evos
Roach Warren-carapace/range ups
once 2/2 ups start, get Infestor Mound-Hive
once Hive done, Ultra/Crack +3carapace +1melee

I've actually played a few really close ZvPs this month, oddly enough, all on Steppes of War. I've also noticed a general trend away from colossus and toward psi storm, which I think is a great idea for struggling Protosses. Colossus isn't bad by any means, but I think Zergs are getting a lot better at dealing with colossus-based armies, and also scouting colossus tech generally means you aren't moving out for a while (who attacks with one colossus? I mean other than some 1base colossus rush build), which gives the Zerg ample time to prepare a countering unit composition. Well placed psi storms are brutal.

ZvT:
2rax rine-SCV was the flavor of the month, and it honestly hurt my confidence. It got to the point where I stopped going hatch first in this matchup (that lasted about 5 games). I haven't exactly come up with a solution to this attack, but my next idea to try is diligent scouting: my scout drone is gonna stand just outside the Terran base, just out of sight, and if I see marines rallying toward me, I gotta have my drones ready to fight at my nat. I think that's gonna play a big role in fending this off. You can't send down your drones after the rines are already there and there's a bunker or two building; you need to know about it and be ready before they get there.
Again, I dunno if that'll work, but that's what I'm trying next. Oh and one more thing: It seems like every ZvT I watch, when Zerg goes muta/ling/bling and the armies engage, the Zerg player doesn't pull back his banelings after the marines are gone. This is something I've started doing. You need to pull back your banelings and save them for the next encounter rather than blowing them up on marauders which are gonna get mopped up by muta/ling anyway.

Questions:
ZvZ:
1. If you play Zerg, what do you usually make with your first larva inject? If you make lings/roaches, how successful are you with your timing attacks? Any advice?

ZvP:
Nothing I guess. The biggest thing I need to work on in this matchup is dealing with cannon rushes better. I guess I'm not used to the fact that they have a whopping 300 life now. Between that and the fact that you can only get a few drones to attack well placed cannons, this is a much stronger attack than it was in BW.

ZvT:
1. I've had quite a bit of trouble winning against Terran on Xel'Naga Caverns. If the Terran manages to get a PF at the gold, it allows them a safe forward army position that is only 5 seconds from defending or attacking any expo on the map. How can I win from there?
2. What is the best way to fend off a quick blue flame hellion + marauder timing attack? I have quite a bit of trouble with this attack.

Reps:
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/114892-1v1-protoss-zerg-steppes-of-war
41 minute ZvP on Steppes. Pretty good game.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/114893-1v1-protoss-zerg-steppes-of-war

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/114894-1v1-protoss-zerg-steppes-of-war
two aggressive ZvPs on Steppes.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/114891-1v1-zerg-shakuras-plateau#rd:dna
A ZvZ that seemed one-sided at the time, but was actually much closer than I thought for a minute there. Interesting open by my opponent.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://rapidshare.com/#!download|782l32|436319407|Great_ZvT_on_Metal.SC2Replay|152
game 5 of the Bo5 against Sultanico. Probably the best game I've ever played. Was played on PTR when fungal didn't hit air, but if you double-click the replay, it opens fine. Apparently sc2replayed and star2 can't host PRT replays, so I put it on megaupload. edit: megaupload isn't working either, so I went with rapidshare.

edit2: ok, apparently you can't watch replays of old patches of PTR games. It crashes my computer when I try to watch . Sorry if this crashed any of your computers.


As always, comments and constructive criticism welcome.

Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
December 11 2010 19:56 GMT
#2
Questions:
ZvZ:
1. If you play Zerg, what do you usually make with your first larva inject? If you make lings/roaches, how successful are you with your timing attacks? Any advice?


What's your opening? Is it 14 hatch or 14 gas 14 pool?


ZvT:
1. I've had quite a bit of trouble winning against Terran on Xel'Naga Caverns. If the Terran manages to get a PF at the gold, it allows them a safe forward army position that is only 5 seconds from defending or attacking any expo on the map. How can I win from there?
2. What is the best way to fend off a quick blue flame hellion + marauder timing attack? I have quite a bit of trouble with this attack.


1. The key is to have creep spread out to the 4th expansion before you decide to take it so that you can quickly defend it and it'll help you flank him a lot better.

2. Roach ling, don't go for a quick spire against cheesy 1 base play. You want to always buy a roach warren if you think something fishy is going on. Let the roaches go in first and the lings can flank.
What? You seek something? You wish to multiply yourself tenfold, a hundredfold? You seek followers? Seek zeros!
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
December 11 2010 23:10 GMT
#3
On December 12 2010 04:56 Flaunt wrote:
Questions:
ZvZ:
1. If you play Zerg, what do you usually make with your first larva inject? If you make lings/roaches, how successful are you with your timing attacks? Any advice?


What's your opening? Is it 14 hatch or 14 gas 14 pool?


Dependent on scouting, but my standard is hatch first.


ZvT:
1. I've had quite a bit of trouble winning against Terran on Xel'Naga Caverns. If the Terran manages to get a PF at the gold, it allows them a safe forward army position that is only 5 seconds from defending or attacking any expo on the map. How can I win from there?
2. What is the best way to fend off a quick blue flame hellion + marauder timing attack? I have quite a bit of trouble with this attack.


1. The key is to have creep spread out to the 4th expansion before you decide to take it so that you can quickly defend it and it'll help you flank him a lot better.

2. Roach ling, don't go for a quick spire against cheesy 1 base play. You want to always buy a roach warren if you think something fishy is going on. Let the roaches go in first and the lings can flank.


Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. It just seems that, after they get a PF at the gold, I can't attack or even harass anywhere, and then I get picked apart by drops and small squads of marine/marauder sniping my expos.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:00
FSLteamleaguePlayoffs STvs POG
Freeedom30
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 229
BRAT_OK 73
EmSc Tv 31
Railgan 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4926
Shuttle 1377
Mini 640
BeSt 510
Soulkey 181
910 169
Larva 161
Mong 151
Dewaltoss 141
Rush 125
[ Show more ]
ZZZero.O 56
Hyun 52
soO 48
Sexy 34
Rock 28
yabsab 22
Hm[arnc] 18
scan(afreeca) 15
IntoTheRainbow 10
firebathero 0
Dota 2
qojqva3147
Dendi1242
monkeys_forever92
Counter-Strike
fl0m3903
ScreaM1941
edward171
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu409
Khaldor320
Other Games
FrodaN1927
Grubby1346
B2W.Neo1127
Beastyqt555
uThermal338
C9.Mang098
ArmadaUGS87
Livibee73
CosmosSc2 40
MindelVK22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1064
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 384
EmSc Tv 31
EmSc2Tv 31
angryscii 20
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile140
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2145
• WagamamaTV445
League of Legends
• Nemesis1773
• Jankos1432
Other Games
• Shiphtur419
• imaqtpie266
• tFFMrPink 7
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
15h 29m
Clem vs ByuN
Rogue vs Lambo
OSC
18h 29m
Online Event
21h 29m
WardiTV Weekly
1d 17h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
INu's Battles
2 days
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Patches Events
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W4
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.