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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 05 2010 13:14 GMT
#1
Looking at the pathnotes for the ptr, it seems being able to hold down a key as zerg to build a bunch of units was an "issue", and not intended. I guess that means this is relevant again.

Anyone else feel they really don't want to press the same key 24 times when they need some zerglings in the lategame? The time it would take to physically do that would be a total gamebreaker, not to mention a complete grindfest.

z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z oh shit I already lost.

I'm not in NA, and the path thread is 130 pages long. Can someone do me a favor and tell me I read it wrong?

*
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
December 05 2010 13:23 GMT
#2
no you are right. and i also dont want to click 100 times to get my units positioned the way i want, pls fix that too....

man up!
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 05 2010 13:28 GMT
#3
You don't see the difference between navigating your army across the map and pressing the exact same key over and over again?

Yes, you do, stop being stupid on purpose.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
December 05 2010 13:28 GMT
#4
On December 05 2010 22:23 green.at wrote:
no you are right. and i also dont want to click 100 times to get my units positioned the way i want, pls fix that too....

man up!

There's a difference between requiring micro and implementing an artificial interface limitation after players have gotten used to the comfortable way.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
December 05 2010 13:28 GMT
#5
Didn't you play BW....why are you complaining? You just have to keep going back to your larvae every 4 seconds as your playing. Called a skill ceiling.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 05 2010 13:32 GMT
#6
Sure piy, but from what I understand this only applies to Zerg. Protoss can still shift-spamclick and terran can still hold down keys.

Not to mention larvae inject, which you can't really be pre-emptive on.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
December 05 2010 13:39 GMT
#7
On December 05 2010 22:32 Osmoses wrote:
Sure piy, but from what I understand this only applies to Zerg. Protoss can still shift-spamclick and terran can still hold down keys.

Not to mention larvae inject, which you can't really be pre-emptive on.

They indirectly nerfed late game and mid game too kinda zerg, which is a good thing.
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green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
December 05 2010 13:49 GMT
#8
On December 05 2010 22:32 Osmoses wrote:
Sure piy, but from what I understand this only applies to Zerg. Protoss can still shift-spamclick and terran can still hold down keys.

Not to mention larvae inject, which you can't really be pre-emptive on.


so protoss has to click a mouse button over and over again, and zerg has to press a key on the keyboard over and over. seems ok to me.
I see no problem here.
earlier you said its zzzzzzzzz and aww you lost the game. option 1: you click much to slow. option 2: get you time management straight. do you think only zerg has macro during battles?

I know you already made up your mind, so no point in further discussing this, it won't get changed anyways. have a nice day
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 13:52:41
December 05 2010 13:52 GMT
#9
They actually changed all the races. For example forcefields in the past you could hold down f and click click click. Now you have to f click f click f click

And you cant hold down a hotkey to mass produce.
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Marksman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Malaysia523 Posts
December 05 2010 13:54 GMT
#10
On December 05 2010 22:28 Piy wrote:
Didn't you play BW....why are you complaining? You just have to keep going back to your larvae every 4 seconds as your playing. Called a skill ceiling.


Actually its now more time consuming than BW because you have to click 3 times instead of just select all larvae then build the desired unit especially in mid and late game. It will be more stamina demanding yes but I won't argue. I just wanted to point this out.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
December 05 2010 14:02 GMT
#11
in bw you can't select all larvae. you can select only 12 at a time
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 05 2010 14:22 GMT
#12
I wonder if I can make a macro that allows me to press "Z" 100 times just by entering the hotkey once.
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Marksman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Malaysia523 Posts
December 05 2010 14:25 GMT
#13
On December 05 2010 23:02 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
in bw you can't select all larvae. you can select only 12 at a time


I meant select all larvae per hatchery assuming main and natural and not the extra hatcheries ;D. Hence the existence of 4sd 5sd which you know of course ;D
I live by the LoL
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 14:37:30
December 05 2010 14:29 GMT
#14
This is actually a case where the BW system was less annoying to execute if all your production hatches were in the same base.

It's just so ugly and inelegant to have someone press the same key 30 times. People who think it's hard have a really strange sense of challenge. It's not difficult, it's just tedious. I can't imagine there would be a significant difference in speed, most people probably press the same key at more or less the same rate. Over such a relatively short period of time the advantage is minimal, and it's stretching to call it an advantage at all since they are stuck pressing that key repeatedly like every other Z if they can shave half a second off it or not.

It's not like BW macro, I really hate this excuse. BW macro about handeye coordination, between mouse selections and key presses, control group and hotkey mastery. I just don't see how you can equate that to repeatedly pressing one key.

I don't play z, I don't even play SC2 anymore, I just can't see it as anything but really ugly choice from a gameplay perspective and really unnecessary
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
December 05 2010 14:51 GMT
#15
On December 05 2010 23:22 Sufficiency wrote:
I wonder if I can make a macro that allows me to press "Z" 100 times just by entering the hotkey once.

then you risk getting banned in one of blizzard's ban waves :o
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
December 05 2010 14:58 GMT
#16
I think this is a really dumb change for the following reasons:

- This doesn't affect all the races equally.
- This increases mechanical requirements for a race that is already the most demanding.
- This is obviously an attempt to balance a problematic gameplay mechanic (larva inject) through the interface, which in itself is a lazy approach, and it is also a second attempt to do so (they removed icon-targeting earlier for the same reason).
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 15:01:47
December 05 2010 15:00 GMT
#17
I really don't understand why pressing z 20-30 times is so hard. I guess us peeps who played BW feel really spoiled with the macro of SC2 so this is a non-issue to me. The difference between Zerg and the other races in this case is that with Zerg has one building that builds every unit, while with T and P you have to cycle through multiple buildings to build units. I think it's 4 for each. Wait Terran is 5 since for some reason PF's are not in the same group as orbitals and CC's.
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kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 15:03:14
December 05 2010 15:02 GMT
#18
On December 05 2010 22:54 Marksman wrote:
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On December 05 2010 22:28 Piy wrote:
Didn't you play BW....why are you complaining? You just have to keep going back to your larvae every 4 seconds as your playing. Called a skill ceiling.


Actually its now more time consuming than BW because you have to click 3 times instead of just select all larvae then build the desired unit especially in mid and late game. It will be more stamina demanding yes but I won't argue. I just wanted to point this out.


I can't see how it is more time consuming ...

In BW you must : 4sz5sz6sz7sz8sz9sz0sz<Click>sz<Click>sz to produce 27 zerglings
In SC2 you must : 4szzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to produce 27 zerglings

While the number of buttons pressed is the same, you must move your hand all over the keyboard and the mouse all over the screen to execute the BW hotkeys. And most of the time you must return to base to click on hatcheries that are not hotkeyed and to change rally point (since drone rally point and unit rally point is the same in BW). Besides BW production is often interrupted by 1a2a3a + micro commands.







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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
December 05 2010 15:47 GMT
#19
On December 06 2010 00:00 Zim23 wrote:
I really don't understand why pressing z 20-30 times is so hard. I guess us peeps who played BW feel really spoiled with the macro of SC2 so this is a non-issue to me. The difference between Zerg and the other races in this case is that with Zerg has one building that builds every unit, while with T and P you have to cycle through multiple buildings to build units. I think it's 4 for each. Wait Terran is 5 since for some reason PF's are not in the same group as orbitals and CC's.



It's not hard. It's just tedious.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 05 2010 15:48 GMT
#20
OK, nobody has said it's hard. That's the whole problem, if it was hard then it would add to the skill cieling, much like it was hard in BW to quickly queue up units from your 8 raxes, but as it is it's just a game of "how fast can you press this button?"
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