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OK, so I don't know if this has been asked before, and to be honest I don't even know what I would search for to find out, but here's the thing: making a bunch of stuff is a pain in the butt, and as far as I'm concerned, totally unnecessary.
At the moment, if you want to make 10 rines from 10 rax you have to press A 10 times. Same deal if you want to morph a bunch of banelings, or warp in a dozen zealots. This is not terrible, I mean you may want to mix up your composition, making 5 marauders and 5 rines or 10 zeals and 2 stalkers, but I still feel there ought to be a choice here.
How about if you want your order to apply to all selected units/buildings, you just hold down ctrl or something? ctrl+a equals a marine queued on all selected barracks or all your lings turning into banelings? Or for that matter, a whole group of zeals morphing in rather than one at a time?
I feel this has been suggested before, in beta, but it isn't in the game and I don't see why not. Anyone have a clue?
 
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It would make macroing even easier. Hey, I'm I need another round of units, 6a, done. Of course, warp-in is already ridiculously easy for Protoss and Zerg are left behind T_T.
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Holding the button down for z is good alternative that a lot of people aren't using when they literally want to make the same unit from all the selected larva. It's faster than spam pressing.
Also you can shift + hotkey and spam click to warp in.
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The mechanics for SC2 are already very easy, I don't see a reason to go even further down that road. Why not just implement an action so you can just press a button and it does everything for you? Seriously press a button 10 times is so little, and most people can spam a button pretty quickly, how about you just practice pressing the A button faster? lol.
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On August 27 2010 18:13 neobowman wrote:
It would make macroing even easier. Hey, I'm I need another round of units, 6a, done. Of course, warp-in is already ridiculously easy for Protoss and Zerg are left behind T_T.
Is taking away the need to press the same key 10 times really a detriment to the game? It requires no skill.
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On August 27 2010 18:20 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 18:13 neobowman wrote:
It would make macroing even easier. Hey, I'm I need another round of units, 6a, done. Of course, warp-in is already ridiculously easy for Protoss and Zerg are left behind T_T. Is taking away the need to press the same key 10 times really a detriment to the game? It requires no skill.
Is pressing a button 10 times really that hard to do? I'd prefer to see speed be a factor in video game competition if you're worried about, "Oh but pressing a button 10 times takes too long, I could've been doing this or that". You should think about trying to bring more useful mechanics into SC2 like, the Fkeys, those keys were so great at moving around your bases so much easier and quicker.
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Hold the button. If you are playing toss shift+key+spamclick.
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No of course it's not hard to press the same key 10 times. I'm complaining about the repetitiveness, not the difficulty. Holding down the key is apparently an option, but why are you OK with that and against a hotkey?
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On August 27 2010 18:13 neobowman wrote:
It would make macroing even easier. Hey, I'm I need another round of units, 6a, done. Of course, warp-in is already ridiculously easy for Protoss and Zerg are left behind T_T.
you cant be a protoss player 
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On August 27 2010 18:46 Osmoses wrote:
No of course it's not hard to press the same key 10 times. I'm complaining about the repetitiveness, not the difficulty. Holding down the key is apparently an option, but why are you OK with that and against a hotkey?
Well apparently it is hard for you because of the repetitiveness, and also Starcraft IS REPETITIVE! I'm OK with it because it just isn't a big deal pressing something 10 times, now if you had to actually spell out the unit name that you wanted to create, then it would be a big deal, but come on now. I'm against it because there's no reason to bring something like this in the game when you can bring other important things like I said before (the Fkeys) and I'd love to stop seeing things in SC2 so automated.
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the only hotkey fix need is SHIFT + F keys.
there is no excuse for these not to be in the game.
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On August 27 2010 18:55 Sephy69 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 18:46 Osmoses wrote:
No of course it's not hard to press the same key 10 times. I'm complaining about the repetitiveness, not the difficulty. Holding down the key is apparently an option, but why are you OK with that and against a hotkey? Well apparently it is hard for you because of the repetitiveness, and also Starcraft IS REPETITIVE! I'm OK with it because it just isn't a big deal pressing something 10 times, now if you had to actually spell out the unit name that you wanted to create, then it would be a big deal, but come on now. I'm against it because there's no reason to bring something like this in the game when you can bring other important things like I said before (the Fkeys) and I'd love to stop seeing things in SC2 so automated.
You can have the F-keys. You just go in the hotkey file and change it. I don't remember quite how I did it but here's a guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139014
Stop trying to interpret what I mean, because I mean exactly what I say, pressing the same key 10 times in a row is not hard, it is BORING, it requires no skill and as such has no business being in the game. This isn't going to make magically make everyone crazy good at macro, it's JUST going to remove the 1 second and 9 extra taps on the same key on the keyboard that you have to do when you're making the same unit from a bunch of buildings. If you need more diversity, this would obviously not be used.
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On August 27 2010 19:03 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 18:55 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 18:46 Osmoses wrote:
No of course it's not hard to press the same key 10 times. I'm complaining about the repetitiveness, not the difficulty. Holding down the key is apparently an option, but why are you OK with that and against a hotkey? Well apparently it is hard for you because of the repetitiveness, and also Starcraft IS REPETITIVE! I'm OK with it because it just isn't a big deal pressing something 10 times, now if you had to actually spell out the unit name that you wanted to create, then it would be a big deal, but come on now. I'm against it because there's no reason to bring something like this in the game when you can bring other important things like I said before (the Fkeys) and I'd love to stop seeing things in SC2 so automated. You can have the F-keys. You just go in the hotkey file and change it. I don't remember quite how I did it but here's a guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139014Stop trying to interpret what I mean, because I mean exactly what I say, pressing the same key 10 times in a row is not hard, it is BORING, it requires no skill and as such has no business being in the game. This isn't going to make magically make everyone crazy good at macro, it's JUST going to remove the 1 second and 9 extra taps on the same key on the keyboard that you have to do when you're making the same unit from a bunch of buildings. If you need more diversity, this would obviously not be used.
Thanks for that thread.
Well ok if it requires no skill, then I assume you'll think making a hotkey for it will require no skill either. Of course it'll be boring, there are tons of aspects in the game that are boring, this game is repetitive as fuck. Making workers, telling them to mine, making units, building tech buildings, upgrading, all of this is repetitive. So everything that's boring should be simplified even further?
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Honestly, I can't agree with you. Actually, I'm opposed to MBS in general so I'm naturally opposed to this. Macro is already so ridiculously easy in SC2 compared to Brood War.
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On August 27 2010 19:09 Sephy69 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 19:03 Osmoses wrote:On August 27 2010 18:55 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 18:46 Osmoses wrote:
No of course it's not hard to press the same key 10 times. I'm complaining about the repetitiveness, not the difficulty. Holding down the key is apparently an option, but why are you OK with that and against a hotkey? Well apparently it is hard for you because of the repetitiveness, and also Starcraft IS REPETITIVE! I'm OK with it because it just isn't a big deal pressing something 10 times, now if you had to actually spell out the unit name that you wanted to create, then it would be a big deal, but come on now. I'm against it because there's no reason to bring something like this in the game when you can bring other important things like I said before (the Fkeys) and I'd love to stop seeing things in SC2 so automated. You can have the F-keys. You just go in the hotkey file and change it. I don't remember quite how I did it but here's a guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139014Stop trying to interpret what I mean, because I mean exactly what I say, pressing the same key 10 times in a row is not hard, it is BORING, it requires no skill and as such has no business being in the game. This isn't going to make magically make everyone crazy good at macro, it's JUST going to remove the 1 second and 9 extra taps on the same key on the keyboard that you have to do when you're making the same unit from a bunch of buildings. If you need more diversity, this would obviously not be used. Thanks for that thread. Well ok if it requires no skill, then I assume you'll think making a hotkey for it will require no skill either. Of course it'll be boring, there are tons of aspects in the game that are boring, this game is repetitive as fuck. Making workers, telling them to mine, making units, building tech buildings, upgrading, all of this is repetitive. So everything that's boring should be simplified even further?
Remembering to make workers requires skill, we don't send them to mine because there is automine, remembering to make units requires skill, knowing which units to MAKE requires skill... actually all those things you mentioned require skill. The only time the mass hotkey would come into play would be when you're already about to make a bunch of the same kind of unit and are about to start pushing buttons. Nothing is made easier, just less repetitive.
And really, this is your argument? "There's a bunch of repetitive shit in the game, so why remove repetitive shit?" That's no argument at all.
This is not making anything easier, its just removing a bunch of superfluous button mashing.
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On August 27 2010 19:20 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 19:09 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 19:03 Osmoses wrote:On August 27 2010 18:55 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 18:46 Osmoses wrote:
No of course it's not hard to press the same key 10 times. I'm complaining about the repetitiveness, not the difficulty. Holding down the key is apparently an option, but why are you OK with that and against a hotkey? Well apparently it is hard for you because of the repetitiveness, and also Starcraft IS REPETITIVE! I'm OK with it because it just isn't a big deal pressing something 10 times, now if you had to actually spell out the unit name that you wanted to create, then it would be a big deal, but come on now. I'm against it because there's no reason to bring something like this in the game when you can bring other important things like I said before (the Fkeys) and I'd love to stop seeing things in SC2 so automated. You can have the F-keys. You just go in the hotkey file and change it. I don't remember quite how I did it but here's a guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139014Stop trying to interpret what I mean, because I mean exactly what I say, pressing the same key 10 times in a row is not hard, it is BORING, it requires no skill and as such has no business being in the game. This isn't going to make magically make everyone crazy good at macro, it's JUST going to remove the 1 second and 9 extra taps on the same key on the keyboard that you have to do when you're making the same unit from a bunch of buildings. If you need more diversity, this would obviously not be used. Thanks for that thread. Well ok if it requires no skill, then I assume you'll think making a hotkey for it will require no skill either. Of course it'll be boring, there are tons of aspects in the game that are boring, this game is repetitive as fuck. Making workers, telling them to mine, making units, building tech buildings, upgrading, all of this is repetitive. So everything that's boring should be simplified even further? Remembering to make workers requires skill, we don't send them to mine because there is automine, remembering to make units requires skill, knowing which units to MAKE requires skill... actually all those things you mentioned require skill. The only time the mass hotkey would come into play would be when you're already about to make a bunch of the same kind of unit and are about to start pushing buttons. Nothing is made easier, just less repetitive. And really, this is your argument? "There's a bunch of repetitive shit in the game, so why remove repetitive shit?" That's no argument at all. This is not making anything easier, its just removing a bunch of superfluous button mashing.
I guess remembering how many raxes you have and pressing that many times A requires skill
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On August 27 2010 19:20 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 19:09 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 19:03 Osmoses wrote:On August 27 2010 18:55 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 18:46 Osmoses wrote:
No of course it's not hard to press the same key 10 times. I'm complaining about the repetitiveness, not the difficulty. Holding down the key is apparently an option, but why are you OK with that and against a hotkey? Well apparently it is hard for you because of the repetitiveness, and also Starcraft IS REPETITIVE! I'm OK with it because it just isn't a big deal pressing something 10 times, now if you had to actually spell out the unit name that you wanted to create, then it would be a big deal, but come on now. I'm against it because there's no reason to bring something like this in the game when you can bring other important things like I said before (the Fkeys) and I'd love to stop seeing things in SC2 so automated. You can have the F-keys. You just go in the hotkey file and change it. I don't remember quite how I did it but here's a guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139014Stop trying to interpret what I mean, because I mean exactly what I say, pressing the same key 10 times in a row is not hard, it is BORING, it requires no skill and as such has no business being in the game. This isn't going to make magically make everyone crazy good at macro, it's JUST going to remove the 1 second and 9 extra taps on the same key on the keyboard that you have to do when you're making the same unit from a bunch of buildings. If you need more diversity, this would obviously not be used. Thanks for that thread. Well ok if it requires no skill, then I assume you'll think making a hotkey for it will require no skill either. Of course it'll be boring, there are tons of aspects in the game that are boring, this game is repetitive as fuck. Making workers, telling them to mine, making units, building tech buildings, upgrading, all of this is repetitive. So everything that's boring should be simplified even further? Remembering to make workers requires skill, we don't send them to mine because there is automine, remembering to make units requires skill, knowing which units to MAKE requires skill... actually all those things you mentioned require skill. The only time the mass hotkey would come into play would be when you're already about to make a bunch of the same kind of unit and are about to start pushing buttons. Nothing is made easier, just less repetitive. And really, this is your argument? "There's a bunch of repetitive shit in the game, so why remove repetitive shit?" That's no argument at all. This is not making anything easier, its just removing a bunch of superfluous button mashing.
I was saying all of those things because you said "pressing a button 10 times is repetitive" and I brought up some things that are repetitive. Yes they require skill but it's still repetitive and you also need to remember to rally your workers to the mineral line which is why I brought up "sending your workers to mine". I wasn't talking about skill, I was talking about repetitiveness, because this seems to be what annoys you. Ok so removing superfluous button mashing, how much more simplified does this game need to be for you? How about we just remove all clicking and button mashing and just make it so when we build a geyser, workers are automatically set to mine gas, and when it's diminshed, have it automatically send those workers to other geysers that don't have enough workers, or send them to mine minerals kind of like how we can shift+queue stuff. How about they make it so if we're supply capped, 1 pylon/overlord/supply depot is built for us? Yeah let's get rid of pointless button mashing and let the game play for us.
I'd bring up more things that can be automated, but SC2 has already done that job for me with stuff like automine, MBS, smartcast la la la.
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On August 27 2010 19:35 Sephy69 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 19:20 Osmoses wrote:On August 27 2010 19:09 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 19:03 Osmoses wrote:On August 27 2010 18:55 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 18:46 Osmoses wrote:
No of course it's not hard to press the same key 10 times. I'm complaining about the repetitiveness, not the difficulty. Holding down the key is apparently an option, but why are you OK with that and against a hotkey? Well apparently it is hard for you because of the repetitiveness, and also Starcraft IS REPETITIVE! I'm OK with it because it just isn't a big deal pressing something 10 times, now if you had to actually spell out the unit name that you wanted to create, then it would be a big deal, but come on now. I'm against it because there's no reason to bring something like this in the game when you can bring other important things like I said before (the Fkeys) and I'd love to stop seeing things in SC2 so automated. You can have the F-keys. You just go in the hotkey file and change it. I don't remember quite how I did it but here's a guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139014Stop trying to interpret what I mean, because I mean exactly what I say, pressing the same key 10 times in a row is not hard, it is BORING, it requires no skill and as such has no business being in the game. This isn't going to make magically make everyone crazy good at macro, it's JUST going to remove the 1 second and 9 extra taps on the same key on the keyboard that you have to do when you're making the same unit from a bunch of buildings. If you need more diversity, this would obviously not be used. Thanks for that thread. Well ok if it requires no skill, then I assume you'll think making a hotkey for it will require no skill either. Of course it'll be boring, there are tons of aspects in the game that are boring, this game is repetitive as fuck. Making workers, telling them to mine, making units, building tech buildings, upgrading, all of this is repetitive. So everything that's boring should be simplified even further? Remembering to make workers requires skill, we don't send them to mine because there is automine, remembering to make units requires skill, knowing which units to MAKE requires skill... actually all those things you mentioned require skill. The only time the mass hotkey would come into play would be when you're already about to make a bunch of the same kind of unit and are about to start pushing buttons. Nothing is made easier, just less repetitive. And really, this is your argument? "There's a bunch of repetitive shit in the game, so why remove repetitive shit?" That's no argument at all. This is not making anything easier, its just removing a bunch of superfluous button mashing. I was saying all of those things because you said "pressing a button 10 times is repetitive" and I brought up some things that are repetitive. Yes they require skill but it's still repetitive and you also need to remember to rally your workers to the mineral line which is why I brought up "sending your workers to mine". I wasn't talking about skill, I was talking about repetitiveness, because this seems to be what annoys you. Ok so removing superfluous button mashing, how much more simplified does this game need to be for you? How about we just remove all clicking and button mashing and just make it so when we build a geyser, workers are automatically set to mine gas, and when it's diminshed, have it automatically send those workers to other geysers that don't have enough workers, or send them to mine minerals kind of like how we can shift+queue stuff. How about they make it so if we're supply capped, 1 pylon/overlord/supply depot is built for us? Yeah let's get rid of pointless button mashing and let the game play for us. I'd bring up more things that can be automated, but SC2 has already done that job for me with stuff like automine, MBS, smartcast la la la.
Your whole post is what's called a Dune argument around here, and it used to be a bannable offense. I dunno if it's still enforced, but I kinda hope so.
I'm gonna leave a bunch of 'fucking' and 'goddamnit' out of this post, even though I'm starting to think you won't get it until I've cussed you out, but here goes:
How is it that when I say "remove this unnecessary button mashing" you hear "make the game play for me"? I mean are you dyslectic? Are you incapable of understanding basic english?
DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MAKING ANYTHING FUCKING AUTOMATIC? DID I?
... Goddamnit...
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On August 27 2010 19:59 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 19:35 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 19:20 Osmoses wrote:On August 27 2010 19:09 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 19:03 Osmoses wrote:On August 27 2010 18:55 Sephy69 wrote:On August 27 2010 18:46 Osmoses wrote:
No of course it's not hard to press the same key 10 times. I'm complaining about the repetitiveness, not the difficulty. Holding down the key is apparently an option, but why are you OK with that and against a hotkey? Well apparently it is hard for you because of the repetitiveness, and also Starcraft IS REPETITIVE! I'm OK with it because it just isn't a big deal pressing something 10 times, now if you had to actually spell out the unit name that you wanted to create, then it would be a big deal, but come on now. I'm against it because there's no reason to bring something like this in the game when you can bring other important things like I said before (the Fkeys) and I'd love to stop seeing things in SC2 so automated. You can have the F-keys. You just go in the hotkey file and change it. I don't remember quite how I did it but here's a guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139014Stop trying to interpret what I mean, because I mean exactly what I say, pressing the same key 10 times in a row is not hard, it is BORING, it requires no skill and as such has no business being in the game. This isn't going to make magically make everyone crazy good at macro, it's JUST going to remove the 1 second and 9 extra taps on the same key on the keyboard that you have to do when you're making the same unit from a bunch of buildings. If you need more diversity, this would obviously not be used. Thanks for that thread. Well ok if it requires no skill, then I assume you'll think making a hotkey for it will require no skill either. Of course it'll be boring, there are tons of aspects in the game that are boring, this game is repetitive as fuck. Making workers, telling them to mine, making units, building tech buildings, upgrading, all of this is repetitive. So everything that's boring should be simplified even further? Remembering to make workers requires skill, we don't send them to mine because there is automine, remembering to make units requires skill, knowing which units to MAKE requires skill... actually all those things you mentioned require skill. The only time the mass hotkey would come into play would be when you're already about to make a bunch of the same kind of unit and are about to start pushing buttons. Nothing is made easier, just less repetitive. And really, this is your argument? "There's a bunch of repetitive shit in the game, so why remove repetitive shit?" That's no argument at all. This is not making anything easier, its just removing a bunch of superfluous button mashing. I was saying all of those things because you said "pressing a button 10 times is repetitive" and I brought up some things that are repetitive. Yes they require skill but it's still repetitive and you also need to remember to rally your workers to the mineral line which is why I brought up "sending your workers to mine". I wasn't talking about skill, I was talking about repetitiveness, because this seems to be what annoys you. Ok so removing superfluous button mashing, how much more simplified does this game need to be for you? How about we just remove all clicking and button mashing and just make it so when we build a geyser, workers are automatically set to mine gas, and when it's diminshed, have it automatically send those workers to other geysers that don't have enough workers, or send them to mine minerals kind of like how we can shift+queue stuff. How about they make it so if we're supply capped, 1 pylon/overlord/supply depot is built for us? Yeah let's get rid of pointless button mashing and let the game play for us. I'd bring up more things that can be automated, but SC2 has already done that job for me with stuff like automine, MBS, smartcast la la la. Your whole post is what's called a Dune argument around here, and it used to be a bannable offense. I dunno if it's still enforced, but I kinda hope so. I'm gonna leave a bunch of 'fucking' and 'goddamnit' out of this post, even though I'm starting to think you won't get it until I've cussed you out, but here goes: How is it that when I say "remove this unnecessary button mashing" you hear "make the game play for me"? I mean are you dyslectic? Are you incapable of understanding basic english? DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MAKING ANYTHING FUCKING AUTOMATIC? DID I? ... Goddamnit...
So I should be banned because I disagree with you. You're really cool aren't you? I said those ridiculous things because what you want sounds incredibly ridiculous to me. You should calm down, I'm not out here to get you, I'm here to disagree with you. You're right you didn't say anything about making it automatic, I did. Ok so if they were to implement this, what's next? It just seems to me that people want more damned automated.
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The Dune argument is that whenever someone says "oh, you don't think <ui feature> should be in because it makes things too easy? Then why don't we remove everything and just make you do everything yourself, like in DUNE?"
The reverese Dune argument is when someone says "oh, you want <ui feature>? Well then why don't we just automate EVERYTHING so that you don't have to do any work at all?"
So I guess yours was a reverse Dune argument. Whatever. The point is its not about you disagreeing with me, its about you disagreeing with my using ridiculous arguments that dont help the discussion. I didn't say anything about automatic, you concede that point, so why did you?
If they were to implement this, what's next? You tell me, can you think of any other situation where a bunch of identical commands could be made into one with no difference in gameplay besides a reduction in pressing the same key in a row? Mule casting perhaps, but then it would suffer from the same drawbacks of unit building: instead of making some rines and some marauders, you make all rines, and instead of saving some energy for scans, you use it all on mules.
I don't want more automated. I really don't. All I want is to not have to do an exactly identical task several times in a row when the exact same result could be achieved by doing it once.
This would not affect macro in any significant way.
This would not make the game easier.
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