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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Anyone else feel they really don't want to press the same key 24 times when they need some zerglings in the lategame? The time it would take to physically do that would be a total gamebreaker, not to mention a complete grindfest. z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z z oh shit I already lost. I'm not in NA, and the path thread is 130 pages long. Can someone do me a favor and tell me I read it wrong?   | ||
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green.at
Austria1459 Posts
man up! | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Yes, you do, stop being stupid on purpose. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On December 05 2010 22:23 green.at wrote: no you are right. and i also dont want to click 100 times to get my units positioned the way i want, pls fix that too.... man up! There's a difference between requiring micro and implementing an artificial interface limitation after players have gotten used to the comfortable way. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Not to mention larvae inject, which you can't really be pre-emptive on. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On December 05 2010 22:32 Osmoses wrote: Sure piy, but from what I understand this only applies to Zerg. Protoss can still shift-spamclick and terran can still hold down keys. Not to mention larvae inject, which you can't really be pre-emptive on. They indirectly nerfed late game and mid game too kinda zerg, which is a good thing. | ||
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green.at
Austria1459 Posts
On December 05 2010 22:32 Osmoses wrote: Sure piy, but from what I understand this only applies to Zerg. Protoss can still shift-spamclick and terran can still hold down keys. Not to mention larvae inject, which you can't really be pre-emptive on. so protoss has to click a mouse button over and over again, and zerg has to press a key on the keyboard over and over. seems ok to me. I see no problem here. earlier you said its zzzzzzzzz and aww you lost the game. option 1: you click much to slow. option 2: get you time management straight. do you think only zerg has macro during battles? I know you already made up your mind, so no point in further discussing this, it won't get changed anyways. have a nice day  | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
And you cant hold down a hotkey to mass produce. | ||
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Marksman
Malaysia523 Posts
On December 05 2010 22:28 Piy wrote: Didn't you play BW....why are you complaining? You just have to keep going back to your larvae every 4 seconds as your playing. Called a skill ceiling. Actually its now more time consuming than BW because you have to click 3 times instead of just select all larvae then build the desired unit especially in mid and late game. It will be more stamina demanding yes but I won't argue. I just wanted to point this out. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Marksman
Malaysia523 Posts
On December 05 2010 23:02 Liquid`Tyler wrote: in bw you can't select all larvae. you can select only 12 at a time I meant select all larvae per hatchery assuming main and natural and not the extra hatcheries ;D. Hence the existence of 4sd 5sd which you know of course ;D | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
It's just so ugly and inelegant to have someone press the same key 30 times. People who think it's hard have a really strange sense of challenge. It's not difficult, it's just tedious. I can't imagine there would be a significant difference in speed, most people probably press the same key at more or less the same rate. Over such a relatively short period of time the advantage is minimal, and it's stretching to call it an advantage at all since they are stuck pressing that key repeatedly like every other Z if they can shave half a second off it or not. It's not like BW macro, I really hate this excuse. BW macro about handeye coordination, between mouse selections and key presses, control group and hotkey mastery. I just don't see how you can equate that to repeatedly pressing one key. I don't play z, I don't even play SC2 anymore, I just can't see it as anything but really ugly choice from a gameplay perspective and really unnecessary | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On December 05 2010 23:22 Sufficiency wrote: I wonder if I can make a macro that allows me to press "Z" 100 times just by entering the hotkey once. then you risk getting banned in one of blizzard's ban waves :o | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
- This doesn't affect all the races equally. - This increases mechanical requirements for a race that is already the most demanding. - This is obviously an attempt to balance a problematic gameplay mechanic (larva inject) through the interface, which in itself is a lazy approach, and it is also a second attempt to do so (they removed icon-targeting earlier for the same reason). | ||
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On December 05 2010 22:54 Marksman wrote: Actually its now more time consuming than BW because you have to click 3 times instead of just select all larvae then build the desired unit especially in mid and late game. It will be more stamina demanding yes but I won't argue. I just wanted to point this out. I can't see how it is more time consuming ... In BW you must : 4sz5sz6sz7sz8sz9sz0sz<Click>sz<Click>sz to produce 27 zerglings In SC2 you must : 4szzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to produce 27 zerglings While the number of buttons pressed is the same, you must move your hand all over the keyboard and the mouse all over the screen to execute the BW hotkeys. And most of the time you must return to base to click on hatcheries that are not hotkeyed and to change rally point (since drone rally point and unit rally point is the same in BW). Besides BW production is often interrupted by 1a2a3a + micro commands. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On December 06 2010 00:00 Zim23 wrote: I really don't understand why pressing z 20-30 times is so hard. I guess us peeps who played BW feel really spoiled with the macro of SC2 so this is a non-issue to me. The difference between Zerg and the other races in this case is that with Zerg has one building that builds every unit, while with T and P you have to cycle through multiple buildings to build units. I think it's 4 for each. Wait Terran is 5 since for some reason PF's are not in the same group as orbitals and CC's. It's not hard. It's just tedious. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 05 2010 23:29 floor exercise wrote: This is actually a case where the BW system was less annoying to execute if all your production hatches were in the same base. It's just so ugly and inelegant to have someone press the same key 30 times. People who think it's hard have a really strange sense of challenge. It's not difficult, it's just tedious. I can't imagine there would be a significant difference in speed, most people probably press the same key at more or less the same rate. Over such a relatively short period of time the advantage is minimal, and it's stretching to call it an advantage at all since they are stuck pressing that key repeatedly like every other Z if they can shave half a second off it or not. It's not like BW macro, I really hate this excuse. BW macro about handeye coordination, between mouse selections and key presses, control group and hotkey mastery. I just don't see how you can equate that to repeatedly pressing one key. I don't play z, I don't even play SC2 anymore, I just can't see it as anything but really ugly choice from a gameplay perspective and really unnecessary You know, that was very well said. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On December 06 2010 00:02 kamikami wrote: I can't see how it is more time consuming ... In BW you must : 4sz5sz6sz7sz8sz9sz0sz<Click>sz<Click>sz to produce 27 zerglings In SC2 you must : 4szzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to produce 27 zerglings While the number of buttons pressed is the same, you must move your hand all over the keyboard and the mouse all over the screen to execute the BW hotkeys. And most of the time you must return to base to click on hatcheries that are not hotkeyed and to change rally point (since drone rally point and unit rally point is the same in BW). Besides BW production is often interrupted by 1a2a3a + micro commands. In BW that's either 18 Zerglings because each hatch had only 1 larvae, or 54 Zerglings because each hatch had 3 larvae. Unless you are producing gosu devouring ones and therefore are a hacker :o | ||
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Impervious
Canada4216 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On December 06 2010 00:59 Chef wrote: In BW that's either 18 Zerglings because each hatch had only 1 larvae, or 54 Zerglings because each hatch had 3 larvae. Unless you are producing gosu devouring ones and therefore are a hacker :o Or if you have your hatches together, Ctrl-click larvae, +z = 24 zerglings. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On December 06 2010 00:59 Chef wrote: In BW that's either 18 Zerglings because each hatch had only 1 larvae, or 54 Zerglings because each hatch had 3 larvae. Unless you are producing gosu devouring ones and therefore are a hacker :o 27*2? :o Also, this just seems tedious, lol. It's being MADE to be annoying. I think this change will just upset everyone because heck, it's even a step down for BW zerg players, lol. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28747 Posts
I think this change is dumb.. suddenly zerg macro is actually more demanding than it was in bw (as there you could build 12 units in one swoop. ) meanwhile terran and protoss have both gotten significant boosts. it might be a little TOO easy the way it is now though, I don't think I've ever been above 1500 minerals pre-limit and some players are already macroing virtually perfectly with about 1000 games under their belt.. but both adding the queen into the equation and completely fucking over the new macro mechanic of zerg is too much. this change basically adds an extra apm demand of 10 per hatchery - this is really really significant when you start getting 5-6 hatcheries.. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
Also, this just makes it easier to have a higher apm, even if its not necessary :[. | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
In BW zerg macro wasn't tedious, it was a challenge to keep producing and keeping your money low. There is no challenge with hitting the z key fifty times to remake your army. Honestly it makes zerg a lot less fun for me, I enjoyed how it was before, even if it wasn't as hard as it was in Broodwar it was still something you could improve and get better at. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On December 06 2010 00:59 Chef wrote: In BW that's either 18 Zerglings because each hatch had only 1 larvae, or 54 Zerglings because each hatch had 3 larvae. Unless you are producing gosu devouring ones and therefore are a hacker :o You have 9 hatches, each hatch has 3 larvas, 3*9 = 27. How can you produce 54 zerglings from this ? | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2750 Posts
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
2) It affected Terrans and Protosses as well, just not as significantly | ||
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