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Yes. Team games are good. I like playing team games. Especially when it's with a friend who i go to and sleep over for quite a good time and he's such a nice guy. But, playing 3v3s with him and another friend of his just sucks. So, we're SSB ranks and ZRT races, and this becomes obnoxious when playing team games, because the Bronze rank person makes no sense sometimes. And the other guy as well, he sometimes makes no sense as well.
I have just played a 3v3 with 2 Terrans doing literally nothing in the first 25 minutes of the game. They did nothing but doing 20 infantry units for the whole time and I fucking defended all the way. After 25th, one showed up with mass thors and other with mass Cattlebruisers. This was the good game, because we somehow won this. And I still can't believe it.
The next game was even worse. Team was 1 base tech, 1 base tech, expand. I was the expand guy (I'm always the expand guy) who gets his eco up early and defends when things get nasty for my team. But well, 8 marines from Terran and 4 zealots from Protoss wouldn't be bad instead of nothing. Exclusive ling force can do nothing to zealot heavy-marine backed up army.
Things get worse and worse in next games. Because in this next game, our team strat was 7RR-1 Base Tech-???. I really don't know what my bronze terran mate did. I 7RR'ed the closest person, I thought that my mates will come with me because they do like rushing (if my random mate gets zerg, he always does 7pool or some strat like that). My 2 waves of 5+ roaches get crushed by all 3 opponents. At the first one, ??? guy sent 3-4 marines to me. When my 2nd wave of roaches got killed, he sent 6-7 marines and 2 marauders, and he got killed because the word 'micro' doesn't exist in his dictionary.
I think I'd better block these guys on bnet and change my MSN address as well, or just dodge them because this is getting no good. I play team games like solos, I sometimes even go hatch first. But when I play like 1v1, they also play like 1v1 or one just fails a rush and ruins the game. Or when I take the other option and rush, they stay in their bases. And this sucks...
 
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Well they're bronze...and as a silver you're really not much better lol
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Perhaps you could ask them for control and only demand mass tier one units? In doing this, I've taught one of my friends how to macro more effectively. However, it won't really teach them multitasking.
I'm not sure what you meant by 7RR-1 or ZRT. I assume the rank meant Silver Silver Bronze?
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ZRT = Zerg Random Terran?
Are you really complaining as a silver player that silver and bronze players don't know how to play properly? ...Duh? They're just learning. Chill.
Don't play team games unless they're with people you want to play, if you're going to whine. And talk about your strategies BEFORE you start the game.
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Have you tried/considered teaching them a basic strategy?
My younger brother (Terran) used to really struggle in the bronze leagues and was always trying to do builds which were out of his level (1/1/1), and all it took was for me to teach him the basics (at least 2 scvs/mineral patch, supply depot on 10, etc) of the 3-rax bio push and he found himself in gold pretty quickly.
Plus in team games you can just tell your friends to turtle up and mass battlecruisers or something, since one/two base macro up games seem to be fairly common at lower level team games.
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On November 21 2010 07:43 SubtleArt wrote:
Well they're bronze...and as a silver you're really not much better lol
Well, I use units that belong to different tiers in every single game. Like Muta-Ling, Muta-Infestor-Ling, Muta-Infestor-Ling-Baneling, Ultracrackling, UltraMutaCrackling. But the units that these guys use are either Marine Marauder, Stalker, Thor, BC or Zergling. One at a time (Sometimes there are marauders with marines).
On November 21 2010 07:44 tryclops wrote:
Perhaps you could ask them for control and only demand mass tier one units? In doing this, I've taught one of my friends how to macro more effectively. However, it won't really teach them multitasking.
I'm not sure what you meant by 7RR-1 or ZRT. I assume the rank meant Silver Silver Bronze?
7RR-1 does not exist. I meant 7RR and 1 base tech. Not 7RR-1 and base tech. And ZRT means Zerg-Random-Terran. Btw 7RR=7RoachRush.
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On November 21 2010 07:47 Graham wrote:
Have you tried/considered teaching them a basic strategy?
My younger brother (Terran) used to really struggle in the bronze leagues and was always trying to do builds which were out of his level (1/1/1), and all it took was for me to teach him the basics (at least 2 scvs/mineral patch, supply depot on 10, etc) of the 3-rax bio push and he found himself in gold pretty quickly.
Plus in team games you can just tell your friends to turtle up and mass battlecruisers or something, since one/two base macro up games seem to be fairly common at lower level team games.
This would be good if one of us didn't get hit by ling-lot-marine at the 5 minute mark. The basic strats of 3v3 like ATK-DEF-ECO or DEF-DEF-ECO are like FAIL-NO UNITS-Expand on 23 or NO UNITS-NO UNITS-Expand on 23 when we 3 playing. ATK-ATK-ECO looks like working better, because it's just like 5 rines from one, 2 zealots from another and 6 slow lings from me (I do 6 lings regardless) and some guy is either dead or vegetable for the rest of the game. But nah, we don't share controls and they rarely use tanks, the best t2 unit of Terran. And I never saw a reactor hellion or anything of that sort from any of those 2.
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It sounds like a lot of your problem is coming from a lack of communication. If you want to rush, make sure everyone knows this from the start so they will also do rush builds. Everyone getting on vent and discussing the game plan is a good idea.
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Everyones strategy should be build army to 50 supply attack/expo win
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1. Silver complaining about bronze is just ... funny.
2. If you don't enjoy playing with people, then don't. Be honest, tell them that while you'd love to play team games, you're a competitive person and can't stand losing.
3. Communicate and train. Analyze replays with them. Help them with the scenarios, make sure they get at least bronze or silver on all of them so you can be sure they'll have a basic grasp of the game.
I understand you, losing sucks and kills motivation. But ranting won't help it, especially not if you're in the position to either end it politely or to use your knowledge to make it a better experience for all involved.
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When you are playing with friends you should try to do more communication with them. Like telling them what to build and where to attack. Assumed your skill is way above them you could also teach them some important basics (i.e. like never stopping to produce workers, good unit combinations, enough production buildings, wall-in,..). With this you will be way more successfull. SC 2 team games are not very demanding so with some work you will gain ranks quickly.
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On November 21 2010 08:58 Shockk wrote:
1. Silver complaining about bronze is just ... funny.
2. If you don't enjoy playing with people, then don't. Be honest, tell them that while you'd love to play team games, you're a competitive person and can't stand losing.
3. Communicate and train. Analyze replays with them. Help them with the scenarios, make sure they get at least bronze or silver on all of them so you can be sure they'll have a basic grasp of the game.
I understand you, losing sucks and kills motivation. But ranting won't help it, especially not if you're in the position to either end it politely or to use your knowledge to make it a better experience for all involved.
For just first point, I'd insult you in german (I know what son of a bitch means in german. Better yet, I can speak german). But TL even has mods that can understand Turkish. Understanding german insults would be a joke compared to Turkish. But, instead I'm gonna upload a replay explaining what I'm talking about (the thing that you call funny). Until the point that I say "onospu çocukları" on the chat (which translate into the plural form of "son of a bidch"), nobody helps defend me. Better yet, nobody helps defend themselves.
Replay:
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/107316-3v3-terran-protoss-zerg-frontier
@Others: yes, it may be the communication. But even skype seems useless. IDK what I should do about that. I just don't know what to do.
EDIT: Typo.
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My post may have come across badly - I didn't want to dismiss silver level players in general or you specifically. So sorry for that - Entschuldigung - Affedersiniz! (I can't speak turkish, btw). I realize that while the average bronze and silver players aren't that far apart, bronze happens to be the reservoir for all new and/or clueless players.
However, after watching your replay: It wasn't entirely the other's fault your team performed so badly in between. Yeah, yellow was abysmal and the guys didn't really communicate, but you didn't play stellar either. After 30 minutes, all you have is a spire and a spawning pool, and you have over 6000 mins on the bank. If it hadn't been for the purple terran and the enemy team leaving him alone to build up his BC fleet, you'd have been crushed at the end.
That's what I meant in the first place: Even though you apparently were the best player (or at least not the worst) of your team, you still make enough mistakes on your own (not spending ressources, not adapting strategy, not using macro mechanics properly). So you're not actually in a position to judge or criticize your team mates, or to insult them in-game - or to rant about them.
*edit: Typos and some fixes.
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On November 21 2010 17:12 Shockk wrote:
My post may have come across badly - I didn't want to dismiss silver level players in general or you specifically. So sorry for that - Entschuldigung - Affedersiniz! (I can't speak turkish, btw). I realize that while the average bronze and silver players aren't that far apart, bronze happens to be the reservoir for all new and/or clueless players.
Actually you're pretty much right about silver-bronze players (proxy nexus may work wonders against us). But I think I'm slightly better than your average silver-bronze player, I'm working on my multitasking for now.
On November 21 2010 17:12 Shockk wrote:
However, after watching your replay: It wasn't entirely the other's fault your team performed so badly in between. Yeah, yellow was abysmal and the guys didn't really communicate, but you didn't play stellar either. After 30 minutes, all you have is a spire and a spawning pool, and you have over 6000 mins on the bank. If it hadn't been for the purple terran and the enemy team leaving him alone to build up his BC fleet, you'd have been crushed at the end.
Yes, i was not in my tiptop shape either (I play better games in 1v1). The other 2 were on skype and I had to write (it's not because I don't have skype it's because I drop every single time when I play w/ skype). I always end up with ridiculous amount of minerals in my bank and I generally have 0 gas. I just don't know what to do for that. Tech was just as ridiculous. I had 0 upgrades all the way.
On November 21 2010 17:12 Shockk wrote:
That's what I meant in the first place: Even though you apparently were the best player (or at least not the worst) of your team, you still make enough mistakes on your own (not spending ressources, not adapting strategy, not using macro mechanics properly). So you're not actually in a position to judge or criticize your team mates, or to insult them in-game - or to rant about them.
Actually they are better players than they look in this game as well. But yeah, communication is our most appearant problem.
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bro no offense but, if you are playing in silver/bronze 3's and are losing, its not entirely because all of your teammates suck. Its not as if you are playing against diamond league players and mm system makes it so that unless you are the very worst players on bnet the people you are playing against are at your level. That means the other team should suck just as much as yours
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