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I just don't understand Protoss

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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 02:16:36
November 18 2010 01:59 GMT
#1
I have a firm grasp of both Terran and Zerg, I can play up to my level with them, and everything seems to flow naturally. However, whenever I try to get behind the wheel of the Protoss, I just end up butchering EVERYTHING. My econ sux, my army is never big enough, and I don't understand the timings at all. Having played BW for years this sudden inability to at least UNDERSTAND one of the races is a new and incredibly frustrating experience for me. I played T for most of the time after the release, and Z was my old BW race, and mechanically it's still very similar, but Protoss just feels so...unwieldy.

With that in mind, does anyone else have a race they just CANNOT play? Even if you learn builds, it just doesn't fit at all with how your brain works in relation to this game? Come on TL, I wanna know, which race do you find the hardest to offrace with?

Just so we're clear, I'm talking about SC2 (just realized I never mentioned that, sry!)
Poll: Which race do you have the most trouble playing with?

Zerg (36)
 
46%

Protoss (25)
 
32%

Terran (18)
 
23%

79 total votes

Your vote: Which race do you have the most trouble playing with?

(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Zerg



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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 18 2010 02:08 GMT
#2
The warpgates are different, that's what I kinda had to get used to. I still use classic set up solely for 0p'ing- just couldn't play without it :/

other than that I find it pretty similar, maybe you just need more time with them idk
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Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
November 18 2010 02:11 GMT
#3
i learned bw with zerg so ive always had trouble playing the "normal" races because i'm so used to the way zerg plays. I can play terran a bit better than i can play toss though just because they are so ridiculously easy.
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
November 18 2010 02:12 GMT
#4
I can't play Terran =D. Actually having to check the progress bar to make units. Seriously.
Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
November 18 2010 02:13 GMT
#5
Shame on me for automatically thinking that you were talking about SC2. Anyway, I used to play zerg in BW, but I still found them to be the hardest.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 18 2010 02:13 GMT
#6
I cannot play Terran at all, but I feel like there should be an "all of the above" option ;____;
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 18 2010 02:14 GMT
#7
Blame the timings to the chronoboost

The macro to the warpgates lololol
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 02:18:33
November 18 2010 02:15 GMT
#8
Zerg, I wonder how I even got through the SC and BW campaigns.
It´s a nightmare to me. Everything just crumbles the moment I have to build the first drone.

I played a bit of SC2 protoss and I think I might actually do better with it than with Terran if I played a little more. I was a beast with protoss back in the BW days too, storm dropping, reavers, mass expanding, I got it all. But Terran 4 lyfe man, from the fall of 97.

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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
November 18 2010 02:15 GMT
#9
On November 18 2010 11:08 emperorchampion wrote:
The warpgates are different, that's what I kinda had to get used to. I still use classic set up solely for 0p'ing- just couldn't play without it :/

other than that I find it pretty similar, maybe you just need more time with them idk

It's just a mental block. I can't understand how they fight or how to play them, Zerg always came intuitively and Terran...come on, kiting isn't too hard to pull off xD

Protoss in SC2 just eludes me. I'm highly uncomfortable with all of the units early on, and the warp-mechanic is something I find hard to stay on top of...which is strange because I never have a problem with larvae injections with Zerg.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
November 18 2010 02:18 GMT
#10
I just can't get used to Z. I lose all of my games to one base timing attacks. It's retarded.
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Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
November 18 2010 02:18 GMT
#11
On November 18 2010 11:13 infinitestory wrote:
I cannot play Terran at all, but I feel like there should be an "all of the above" option ;____;


hahaa

is this sc2 or bw?

in bw i could not play terran for the life of me. i love terran, but my mechanics are absolutely dreadful with terran

but in sc2, none of the races are really puzzling to me. if i had to choose, i'd say terran though 'cause i usually don't keep my resources very low.
Gecko
Profile Joined August 2010
United States519 Posts
November 18 2010 02:30 GMT
#12
On November 18 2010 11:18 PH wrote:
I just can't get used to Z. I lose all of my games to one base timing attacks. It's retarded.


I always lose to one basing and unusual play whenever i try Z T_T. Its so hard to know when to drone and what to make especially considering how hard it is to scout on some maps.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
November 18 2010 02:31 GMT
#13
Terran for BW, Protoss for SC2.

I've been Zerg in BW so I feel like Zerg is definitely the easiest for me in SC2.
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 02:42:19
November 18 2010 02:36 GMT
#14
PvT still makes no sense to me. I've been seeing a lot more gateway centric openers from protoss which feel quite nice but it still seems like Terran is too awesome early and midgame.
PvZ seems pretty straightforward and PvP is the reason I don't play protoss as my main

If you struggle with Terran then just attack constantly. If you run into a game where an attack doesn't work, watch the rep, figure out how to refine your attack and gogo again. Expo while you are shoving units down your opponents throat
Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
November 18 2010 02:38 GMT
#15
Honestly the hardest part about just starting out in toss (besides warpgate mechanics) is sentry usage and zealot-stalker relationship.

Protoss aren't joking when they say that a single forcefield can mean the difference between a loss and a win. I'd say they arguably require the fastest reaction time of the 3 races.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
November 18 2010 02:52 GMT
#16
The trouble i've had with warpgates and macro in general is that the "warp in anywhere" mechanic encourages all-in attacks.

Z and T units continue stockpiling at your base (unless rallied) while you attack whereas protoss have the urge to warp in right with the push. Then if something goes wrong and your push doesn't work, you realize that you have no defense for the counterattack.
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IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
November 18 2010 02:58 GMT
#17
Warp gates are just so confusing to me as a Zerg, when my Protoss friend once dropped out of a 2v2 game... I freaked out, couldn't figure out how to use hotkeys with them lol, Z -> click couple of times lost the Gateway selection for me etc. Ended up putting down 2 robo and chronoing Colossi out and more Hatcheries on my end. We won but lol I ended up complaining to him for ages about how different Protoss was...

With that said, after playing Zerg for so long I can't play P or T that well because well, I don't know when to add extra production buildings as opposed to just throwing up another Hatchery...

I have tried to do 14cc 1 marine -> mass fact Flash style in SC2 before though, pretty much failed at execution.
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Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
November 18 2010 03:13 GMT
#18
The way I learn a new race is I just pick 1 fairly general build that you can get away with in any matchup (for bw I did 3-5 hatch mass hydra, for sc2 you might want to try 4 gate). Then you do said build order like 80 times until you get it right. Keep adjusting it to fit your needs, but use it as a basic setup. From there you can branch out.
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 18 2010 03:32 GMT
#19
I've lost a lot of games as Zerg because I try to attack off of creep... you don't really realize how badly a few siege tanks can own you off of creep until it happens.
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
November 18 2010 03:33 GMT
#20
I'm so bad at zerg. Either I keep building units and teching up and find myself further or further behind, or I become an economy master and hit S ZZZZZZZZZZZ in panic when I see their blob move towards me and I just die.
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Ixas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
930 Posts
November 18 2010 03:41 GMT
#21
And i thought P is the most noob friendly race cos of warp gates allowing u to quickly create units and reinforce your army
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 18 2010 04:21 GMT
#22
I'm so so so bad at Terran
:)
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
November 18 2010 04:58 GMT
#23
I've barely spent any time playing my offraces in sc2. My P and Z are laughably terrible. REALLY wish there was a way to ladder separately with your offraces so I could start out in platinum or something.
coZen
Profile Joined August 2010
United States192 Posts
November 18 2010 05:19 GMT
#24
I played zerg in BW and i felt my mechanics were pretty spot-on. Now when I tried zerg in sc2, I feel like my IQ drops 50 points. I played zerg in beta, but when retail came out, i switched to protoss since i loved the idea of FF. Its super sexy and fun to use.
Baby_Seal
Profile Joined August 2010
United States360 Posts
November 18 2010 06:15 GMT
#25
It's always been Terran for me. I just can't get them to work, even when I practice them.
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