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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 17 2010 21:52 GMT
#1
No, not the match up. That´s my face when I have to play against other terrans.

I fucking hate banshees.

TvT would be my favourite matchup if there was no banshees.
Unless I scan a gazillion early raxes I´m totally lost:
1. fast vikings = useless
2. fast raven = totally useless
3. marine heavy = useless when he gets siege tech and 1+ tanks
4. turrets = expensive scan that you need like 4 to spot to your whole base, also have no range so you still need a shitload of marines/vikings to actually kill the banshees

or then he doesn´t go for banshees but for something else compeletely gay like hellion drop. What is wrong with all you terrans, why everyone always does this one base crap!
Atleast most zerg and protoss try to take their natural at some point....

I'm doing proxy rax and port from now on...

e. or nuke rush if I feel like playing straight up

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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
November 17 2010 22:06 GMT
#2
Remember (who was it again, qxc?) demonstrating his really early ghost strat and how that fast EMP and dps from Ghost+Marine really screwed over the cloaked banshee?

If everyone's going 1-base, ~theoretically~ all you need to do is DEFEND, secure an expansion and if they don't expand themselves you just pull way ahead in the economy.
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Happy.fairytail
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States327 Posts
November 17 2010 22:18 GMT
#3
if banshee production time is 60 sec, and CC's renegerate 50 energy in about 40-45sec, shouldn't you be ok unless he goes double starport? (which if he does, I don't think he'll have enough for fast cloak?) Especially if you get fast expo for the extra scan... then a handful of stimmed marines should be enough?
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
November 17 2010 22:21 GMT
#4
5/5 dude, even Terrans hate Terrans. What a good day damn. Well, who likes banshees anyway. Even my Terran opponents rush to banshee all the way (sometimes it becomes just ridiculous because I spot only 1 barracks and factory both without addons and a starport with tech lab. Mostly I have mutas and an overseer out at that time and instagg). But still, I hate banshees. Period.
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aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
November 17 2010 22:24 GMT
#5
I like to 1 rax expand in TvT. Add some more rax, then tech. Marines hold off banshees and drops (it's ok to lose a few scv's and scans). A bunker at the front stalls a tank push until you get enough marauders to deal with it. With two bases, you can mass produce mmm, with enough vikings to maintain air superiority. If he has a good tank contain on you, you go for drops. If his tanks are at home, you keep expanding. I will switch to cattlebruisers if I have maintained air control and they have turtled with tanks.

TBH, TvT is the only matchup I can win as of late. TvP I lose even when i'm ahead by 1 base, TvZ can never get a third (I only win against 1 base crap).
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
November 17 2010 23:07 GMT
#6
70% of my TvT's are lost due to banshees :l I feel your pain.
What aidnai said is true about 1rax expo though. It's really good against banshees especially since you have a scan timing that lets you still get an ebay up in time to make turrets. Otherwise, you still have a crapload of marines + 2 orbitals to scan against banshees. The only problem is holding off smart aggressive Terrans who slowpush your natural.
yoplate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States332 Posts
November 17 2010 23:08 GMT
#7
Lol, I use banshees as a way to expand. Just build a few to freak them out and force them to waste scans/build turrets. You can also grab your natural during that time. If your opponents use banshees without expanding, they are idiots. A good counter is just missile turrets, and good marine micro.
yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany414 Posts
November 17 2010 23:09 GMT
#8
i'm with you op
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
November 17 2010 23:13 GMT
#9
I almost never play vs banshees TvT. I find the trend right now is blue flame hellions
Dwell
Apexplayer
Profile Joined September 2009
United States406 Posts
November 17 2010 23:13 GMT
#10
Plz say your rank.

As a regular terran, all I have to say is: save 1 scan (2 if your 1 base) and have a starport ready to make a viking and: omfg banshees cant hurt you o.O

Threaten with your marines as if your going to scan, if he runs then no worries if he doesnt then scan his ass.

Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 23:16:20
November 17 2010 23:16 GMT
#11
Dealing with banshees just takes a lot of practice and experience, imo.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
November 17 2010 23:39 GMT
#12
TvT is the most fun match-up in the game
Sup
FakeDouble
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia676 Posts
November 18 2010 00:42 GMT
#13
On November 18 2010 08:39 avilo wrote:
TvT is the most fun match-up in the game


If by fun you mean unpredictable, yes. The matchup is an intense mind game, which is fun if you win more often than not. However like OP, i have yet to figure out this MU and die a lot to banshee harass. I also suck at tank positioning which is great for TvT Q_Q.
Formerly known as carbonaceous
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 18 2010 01:36 GMT
#14
On November 18 2010 08:13 Apexplayer wrote:
Plz say your rank.

As a regular terran, all I have to say is: save 1 scan (2 if your 1 base) and have a starport ready to make a viking and: omfg banshees cant hurt you o.O

Threaten with your marines as if your going to scan, if he runs then no worries if he doesnt then scan his ass.



Why?
It´s the same for everyone after all.

1700 Diamond atm

I used to have like 70% winrate in TvT when all I did was weird ghost rushes but I stopped doing that when I lost my nerves after I EMP'd directly on a bunch of cloaked banshees and nothing happened so I lost the game. Too bad only thing I could do was my ghost build really, cloaked ghosts are faster than banshees so they force the opponent on defensive first, also forcing scans and nuking takes off mining time so I usually got nicely ahead early on and then just roll with m&m.

BTW it´s not like I can´t go banshees or fast hellions myself, it´s just that I don´t want to.
I want to play TvT's like they were in BW, preferably like Canata played them.
Now with blue hellions and banshees every game it almost never goes into later stages where I really feel comfortable.

I wonder if getting +1 range on turrets could shut down banshees compeletely...
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