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Phay
Profile Joined August 2010
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Last Edited: 2010-11-09 20:20:03
November 09 2010 20:16 GMT
#41
On November 10 2010 03:41 Rokk wrote:
I don't get why people think roaches are such a boring unit and then praise the hydralisk. The hydralisk is the textbook definition of an a-move unit. At least roaches have the potential for additional micro with burrow. I realize there's a lot of positioning that goes into every unit, including hydras, but that's just as true for roaches.


I don't mean to shit on the Roach as much as people seem to be inferring. Roaches are a great compliment to the Zerg army. I'd just appreciate if Roaches and Hydras had a bit more differentiation between the two of them, because as it is, Roaches are stealing the limelight. As far as being an a-move unit, I completely agree. They're more an a-move unit than almost any other in the game. That's probably my biggest issue.

On November 10 2010 04:08 Durp wrote:
Imo all the hydralisk needs is a speed upgrade off creep. Then suddenly its viable against protoss when you're playing the aggro, and can chase down the air units it defends against. I do believe this upgrade would require hive tech, or else you risk making the hydra too powerful, especially vs gateway tech


I've heard this a lot. Quite frankly, I think that a speed buff is the exact opposite of what the Hydra needs. I feel that many buffs, including the Roach buff, serve to "mellow" units, making them more average as opposed to excelling further in the attributes they're designed to represent. But as it is, the most iconic unit in Starcraft is reduced excelling in pure damage, with little potential for extensive micro. Yes you can spread creep, yes you can burrow, yes you can do a lot of things and of course these help. In fact, these things are some of the only micro even possible with a Hydra. The existing micro will become compromised if not eliminated by simply buffing their weak point, their off-creep speed.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
November 09 2010 20:59 GMT
#42
[/QUOTE]I've heard this a lot. Quite frankly, I think that a speed buff is the exact opposite of what the Hydra needs. I feel that many buffs, including the Roach buff, serve to "mellow" units, making them more average as opposed to excelling further in the attributes they're designed to represent. But as it is, the most iconic unit in Starcraft is reduced excelling in pure damage, with little potential for extensive micro. Yes you can spread creep, yes you can burrow, yes you can do a lot of things and of course these help. In fact, these things are some of the only micro even possible with a Hydra. The existing micro will become compromised if not eliminated by simply buffing their weak point, their off-creep speed.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. The hydralisk is by no means the most micro-intensive unit for zerg, being that on creep they're so powerful you often don't even need to micro, and off creep they're so slow that it's just a waste of time trying to kite- you can't.

As far as I understood creep offers more of a bonus to zerg units than just movement speed; I propose ONLY increasing the movement speed off creep. All other creep benefits would still improve it's use on creep, and I don't suggest it even be as fast as it is on creep. But one colossus can kill nearly infinite hydralisks if you catch them off creep (with good micro), and to me that seems to take away from the essence of the BW hydra- one of the most frightening units in any RTS. Now the Hydralisk is a joke, and as a heavy BW player that hurts a lot to see.
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
voss
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia146 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 02:23:49
November 11 2010 02:20 GMT
#43
The hydralisk sucks for cost:

Hydralisk vs Marine
Cost:
H - 100m 50g. M - 50m

Speed off creep / not stimmed
H - 2.25. M - 2.25

Speed on creep / stimmed
H - 3.375. M - 3.35

DPS
H - 13.95. M - 6.98 (10.465 stimmed)

Range
H - 5 (+1) M - 5

HP
H - 80. M - 45 (+10)

The hydralisk is like an ineffecient marine, that costs gas.

EDIT: not a balance thread, just a cost comparison.
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