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Pineapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand126 Posts
October 24 2010 08:11 GMT
#1
Just found out my dad has been cheating on my mum for the past 10 years with three other women. He's been living in Asia while we've been here in NZ, he always said it was 'cos he was trying to make money. Has anyone else been through this, if so, how have you coped with it? And secondly, my dad isn't taking responsibility, trying to justify himself by basically saying my mum's at fault. I'm so tempted to scream at him and beat him up but I don't want to do it in front of my mum 'cos she's already falling apart, she's been screaming to the point where she's spewing out blood, we're currently living in a small motel trying to sort this out.

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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
October 24 2010 08:16 GMT
#2
Damn fuck man, I feel sorry. Everything depends on how you personally feel I guess. Either you could scold him and show him that he has done something you can never forgive and show him that you don't want him in your life anymore, but then again he's your blood.. It's kind of a dead end situation, sure sucks to happen.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
October 24 2010 08:20 GMT
#3
take care of your mother first. let her know it is not her fault and support her.
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Jaw
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States274 Posts
October 24 2010 08:22 GMT
#4
why isnt the dad in the motel? kick his ass out.
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
October 24 2010 08:29 GMT
#5
In the end you'll have to accept the fact that this happends in the world, was probably happening since the beginning of the ages.
It's natural to a significant percentage of human beings.
Finding the victims isn't usually helping, trying to work it out for the future is the only choice.
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storm44
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1293 Posts
October 24 2010 08:32 GMT
#6
That really blows man,
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
October 24 2010 08:47 GMT
#7
Try to get a job as fast as you can. Having a salary of your own will help immensely, put school on hold if you have to. Your dad is the one to blame, but you have to focus on keeping your mom well. Put the rage aside and make some plans
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NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
October 24 2010 08:50 GMT
#8
be strong man ! take care of your mom
Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
October 24 2010 08:55 GMT
#9
Just remember that you and your father are nothing alike. Nothing at all if you choose it to be that way.

Its important that you take care of your mother and make sure she knows shes better off this way.
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OMin
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States545 Posts
October 24 2010 08:55 GMT
#10
really sorry man

but yeah, just be there as much as you can for your mom... ur pretty much her only immediate family since ur dads out of the picture now

best of luck man, really sorry to hear it
TossFloss *
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada606 Posts
October 24 2010 08:57 GMT
#11
Sorry to hear about this =(

How did you find out?

In fact, this happens all the time. I met a lot of married guys in China, and with a few exceptions, many were cheating on their wives. Foreigners enjoy wealth, status and power they seldom experience at home. It can be quite intoxicating.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 24 2010 09:00 GMT
#12
yes your mother sounds like the biggest concern atm. your father cheating / not taking responsibility probably won't change anytime soon, but your mother's health easily could. if you have any siblings or closeby family, let them know and get them to support your mother (you can't hide this kind of shit, it only makes it worse and makes people view your mother more negatively later on not to mention that she could break down without any good support right now)

as for your father, don't resort to physical violence, just show him how disappointed you are. to people with any sense of remorse or empathy this will tear them apart / make them realize their wrong more than any physical violence ever will (especially as beating the shit out of him could simply make him feel more indignant and self justified)
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Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
October 24 2010 09:28 GMT
#13
On October 24 2010 17:22 jaw wrote:
why isnt the dad in the motel? kick his ass out.


qft
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
October 24 2010 09:42 GMT
#14
wow that must be terrible. try your best to support your mum.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 24 2010 10:19 GMT
#15
As others have said, take care of your mother the best you can. I understand (with my limited knowledge and experience about this subject) that you are just as infuriated as your mother, or perhaps more, but it seems like you're the only one (and the one best suited) that can help your mother move on from this difficult phase in life.

One thing I've heard a lot of times is how negative influence from parents affect their children. I think it's common news that wife abusers are sons of wife abusers. I'm not saying you're going to become one, but unless you handle yourself well both physically and emotionally, you could come out of this as a completely changed person. Actually, it's obvious that you've already changed due to the incident, but it doesn't mean you have to change into a bad person because of this.

I think the best thing is to keep social contact going (but not excessively). Being isolated from the society, especially after a tragedy, can easily lead to depression and other serious issues. I don't know if support groups are the right sort of things, but I imagine that being alone is the worst thing possible in this situation.

After things settle a bit, I think you and your mother should pursue legal actions (at least getting a proper divorce would help?) to clean this mess up.

Apologies if I made things sound easy or something, that was never my intention. Just trying to list out what's probably best for you and your mother from my point of view. Best of luck.
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
October 24 2010 10:44 GMT
#16
I'll be as gentle as I can in saying this, but men dont cheat on their wives if everything is alright. Him cheating isnt whats bad, its only a symptom.
Forgottenfrog
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1268 Posts
October 24 2010 10:49 GMT
#17
Screaming or beating up your dad wont solve anything but only create more drama/problems. Just support your mom and try not to make her worry. Good luck with everything because I really don't know what else to say.
enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 11:31:01
October 24 2010 11:30 GMT
#18
take care of your mother, apparently she is closer to you than he is. ignore your dad. nothing constructive will come from giving him attention.

i dont know if it will be of use for you, but changing my view on relationships has helped me handle things.

the concept of relationship requires you to know who people are, but your father serves as example to show that you can never be sure and thus relationship is not a practical concept. it lacks accuracy.
try to not give special treatment by the type of relationship assumed to be there, not even for family, who are genetically related but not necessarily on other levels.

people are people, all the same. they enter your field of vision and you will learn who they are by observing them. you will decide whether enough is to gain by interacting with them or not. you continue to learn who they are and continue to ask yourself that question. if information changes and someone stops fitting your criteria, you drop interaction with them. its pick and choose, only that you cant pick the good ones, only the good ones up to that point. so you must pick the bad ones and then put them away.

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"Sometimes apparent resemblance of character will bring two men together and for a certain time unite them. But their mistake gradually becomes evident, and they are astonished to find themselves not only far apart, but even repelled, in some sort, at all their points of contact."

— Nicolas de Chamfort

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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 13:00:03
October 24 2010 12:59 GMT
#19
On October 24 2010 19:44 Catch]22 wrote:
I'll be as gentle as I can in saying this, but men dont cheat on their wives if everything is alright. Him cheating isnt whats bad, its only a symptom.


Dude,
maybe that is applicable if it was one woman in the same country, maybe,
but this is THREE other women and ten years and in a different continent.
Try to be more sensitive to the situation then applying a single understanding
for a specific context, while you're trying to help, the first thing off the top
of your head isn't that helpful.

And to Pineapple, if your dad has multiple families etc, just first make it clear
what he needs to support to your mom and you first as I'm sure that hasn't changed,
then deal with the emotional side afterwards, cause that will take a lot of time;
a lot of the investors I know in Asia, really rich guys have multiple wives,
they are all Taiwanese or Chinese mainland, but the thing is, their wives all know each other,
like 1st, 2nd, 3rd wife, etc.
Now as Korean, I don't quite understand that all, although among the rich here,
we have the wife and mistress culture here, but in any case,
you're mom just found out,
you need to be level headed and just talk to your dad, man to man and put away
your judgement for a moment, make sure your mom is going to still be well taken
care of by your dad; if he supporting 4 families or relationships, then he has some cash.

It ain't going to be solved overnight, but just take it day by day and just make sure the practical things are taken care of first, for this moment, you are the man and you just need to take care of it for your mom's sake first.

Cheers and good luck and be strong.
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SaYyId
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal277 Posts
October 24 2010 13:28 GMT
#20
Sue the crap out of him
it sounds stupid but i've seen people sueing each other for less, WAY less
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enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
October 24 2010 13:54 GMT
#21
on a second note and after reading the post of MightyAtom,
people are drawn together for intimate relationships because they are technically animals and like them evolutionarily streamlined for procreation. as such, intimate relationships are not meant to last. a study by helen fisher et al suggests a cut-off of no less than 4 years.
the dualism between humans as intellect and humans as animal sets us up for a large potential for problems.
i know this wont help your mother with her immediate feelings (i have been through a painful experience like this myself). but accepting that we are animals and driven to behaviour which causes problems (your mother engaged in a relationship with your father for the same biological reasons for which he proceeded to 'cheat' on her), knowing that it is not meant to last and that we can never be sure to truly know a person, like described in my previous post, might help to alleviate the pain in the long run and avoid running into it again.
"I fart a lot, often on my gf in bed, then we roll around laughing for 5 mins choking in gas." — exog // "…be'master, the art of reflection. If you are not a thinking man, to what purpose are you a man at all?" — S. T. Coleridge
Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 14:26:50
October 24 2010 14:26 GMT
#22
Sue the crap out of him
it sounds stupid but i've seen people sueing each other for less, WAY less


lol, because he's violated ... which law? (what he did was wrong of course, but as far as I can see its not something illegal)
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NickC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
233 Posts
October 24 2010 14:46 GMT
#23
just take ur mom out and have some nice times with her alone
she will feel like she has no one in the world and you need to be a friend to her
dont talk about this shit just give her someone she can rely on and think about when shes feeling shitty
news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 14:56:17
October 24 2010 14:56 GMT
#24
I've been going out with this asian girl recently and she told me that in her homecountry if a husband cheats on his wife it's always her fault because apparently she isn't good enough.
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
October 24 2010 15:06 GMT
#25
Try and comfort your mom but don't try to get revenge against your dad or anything. Over time, I think you should try and forgive your dad, because (and I am just assuming this because he is your dad) he probably still loves you and didn't intentionally want to hurt you. Adults make mistakes, too, and he probably did what he did out weakness. (I'm not saying that your mom and him should stay together, definitely not.)
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 17:04:21
October 24 2010 17:02 GMT
#26
Can't say I've been in a similar situation but my father also cheated on my mother while overseas for several years and although he still paid maintenance after they separated and my standard of living didn't really decline the emotional impact is extreme. Just make sure you are there for your family as best you can be, it'll get better in time, regarding contacting your dad I haven't seen him since he left (10 years now) and at times it's hard if you can I'd advise you try and remain In touch but that is your decision.
Just remember things will get better. Good luck.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 17:12:34
October 24 2010 17:11 GMT
#27
On October 24 2010 23:56 News wrote:
I've been going out with this asian girl recently and she told me that in her homecountry if a husband cheats on his wife it's always her fault because apparently she isn't good enough.


im chinese and im going to tell you thats a huge load of undiluted horse shit.

ok that was a bit of an overreaction but even if it was like that in whatever country she's from, that kind of view is simply ridiculous.
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PetitCrabe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada410 Posts
October 24 2010 17:16 GMT
#28
damn, I can almost understand what you are feeling... my dad and mom have been fighting for YEARS now and I never knew why ( but have my reason to doubts it was probably my dad having a one time affair ) and once when i was have a fight with my parents about whether i was going to med school or engineering my parents starting fighting between them and i went to my room and heard my dad say whatever he's not even my son... soo yeah after 19 years of existence, ive been living with someone i thought was my dad, but i never got confirmation of this cause i don't know how to ask " duuuh are you my real dad lolkbaithx ?"
news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 17:35:02
October 24 2010 17:33 GMT
#29
On October 25 2010 02:11 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 23:56 News wrote:
I've been going out with this asian girl recently and she told me that in her homecountry if a husband cheats on his wife it's always her fault because apparently she isn't good enough.


im chinese and im going to tell you thats a huge load of undiluted horse shit.

ok that was a bit of an overreaction but even if it was like that in whatever country she's from, that kind of view is simply ridiculous.


Another thing she said - if you get raped you don't tell anyone (probably has to do with corrupt officials too) because your family won't forgive you/family reputation ruined forever. She's from Kazakhstan though.
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 17:53:34
October 24 2010 17:53 GMT
#30

Another thing she said - if you get raped you don't tell anyone (probably has to do with corrupt officials too) because your family won't forgive you/family reputation ruined forever. She's from Kazakhstan though.


Asia is pretty big, let's not lump all 'asians' into one culture please. Arab, Persian, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, etc are all fairly distinct.

The last stupidity we want is to say Arab = Japanese because both are 'asian', and then proceed to call an Arabic person a cultural traitor because he doesn't practice Shinto or something.
Dess.JadeFalcon
news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
October 24 2010 18:03 GMT
#31
On October 25 2010 02:53 Kalingingsong wrote:
Show nested quote +

Another thing she said - if you get raped you don't tell anyone (probably has to do with corrupt officials too) because your family won't forgive you/family reputation ruined forever. She's from Kazakhstan though.


Asia is pretty big, let's not lump all 'asians' into one culture please. Arab, Persian, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, etc are all fairly distinct.

The last stupidity we want is to say Arab = Japanese because both are 'asian', and then proceed to call an Arabic person a cultural traitor because he doesn't practice Shinto or something.


Wow. Did I say something like that? I need to start rereading my own posts. I doubt it though.

In a way Kazakhstan can be more similar to Arab countries these days since they are ~65% muslim.
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
October 24 2010 18:04 GMT
#32
Lol, your dad has some strong yellow fever going on, that is just hilarious. I didn't know people actually traveled to Asia for that.

Just cut him out of your life and quit talking to him; parents are highly overrated. Not having a troublesome parent around is pretty cool. Your mother will probably have a harder time reaching the correct conclusion.
WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
October 24 2010 18:38 GMT
#33
On October 24 2010 17:29 LastWish wrote:
In the end you'll have to accept the fact that this happends in the world, was probably happening since the beginning of the ages.
It's natural to a significant percentage of human beings.
Finding the victims isn't usually helping, trying to work it out for the future is the only choice.



Thats actually really depressing man, lol thanks xD
Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 18:48:13
October 24 2010 18:47 GMT
#34

Wow. Did I say something like that? I need to start rereading my own posts. I doubt it though.

In a way Kazakhstan can be more similar to Arab countries these days since they are ~65% muslim.


I think it's better if people stopped using the words 'asia/asians' and get more specific from the beginning, that's my point.
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 24 2010 18:53 GMT
#35
10 years.

Unforgivable.

Be there for your mom, and start reading: http://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/family-court/what-family-court-does/separation-and-dissolution/general-advice-information
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
October 24 2010 19:02 GMT
#36
I don't get this, ur dad lived 10 years away ? how many times did he visit u? did he send money?
n00bination
Profile Joined October 2010
United States102 Posts
October 24 2010 21:11 GMT
#37
Don't get too worked up over it. As the other posters have said, take care of your family first and make sure your mom doesn't try to kill your dad or something. If your dad isn't a total douche, I'm sure he didn't mean harm (not that it excuses him), so try to be a little understanding and don't let emotion cloud your judgment. Ultimately, you have to let your parents decide what the best course of action is.

I've pretty much seen my father for a total of 1.5 months over a span of 12 years since I was 9, and I'm under no illusions that he stayed faithful during that entire time away from the family. Still, I accept him for who he is, no matter how much I hate his views on life.
I'm not a racist, I'm just telling how it is.
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 21:51:28
October 24 2010 21:48 GMT
#38
I'm not sure I understand. Your father was living in Asia while you live in NZ for.... 10 years ?! Did you see him often enough ?

I feel sorry for your mom and your dad is a dick if he has been lying for 10 years but really I cannot blame him for having love affairs on his side of the earth (if he actually just live there without seeing you often, if he was returning home often that is a different story). I just wished he would have been honest with your mom about it because now it looks like she has been imagining things for 10 years and it crashes down.
Oh and not taking responsibility about his choices by blaming others of course...

On a side note it's he's duty to continue to support you as his child no matter what happens.
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palanq
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States761 Posts
October 24 2010 23:37 GMT
#39
why are so many people in this thread so angry

On October 25 2010 06:11 n00bination wrote:
Don't get too worked up over it. As the other posters have said, take care of your family first and make sure your mom doesn't try to kill your dad or something. If your dad isn't a total douche, I'm sure he didn't mean harm (not that it excuses him), so try to be a little understanding and don't let emotion cloud your judgment. Ultimately, you have to let your parents decide what the best course of action is.

I've pretty much seen my father for a total of 1.5 months over a span of 12 years since I was 9, and I'm under no illusions that he stayed faithful during that entire time away from the family. Still, I accept him for who he is, no matter how much I hate his views on life.


this is a good position to take
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Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
October 25 2010 01:08 GMT
#40
breach of trust is a terrible thing, but understand that vengeance, whether material or intangible, is not really going to help any. Adultery is one of those few crimes where all involved have a choice, not an easy choice admittedly, but a choice none the less, about whether to be hurt or not. Do not encourage the negative emotions in yourself or your family, Just get on with it and try and have a glass half full attitude.

be forgiving, be courteous, but don't be foolhardy. If your father wishes to regain your trust- expect him to earn it, but let him do so.
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Pineapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand126 Posts
October 25 2010 02:54 GMT
#41
Thanks for the advice and concern folks - I've read all your replies and that should be OK for me to go on for now. Thanks. Just to clarify, we're an Asian family and immigrated to NZ about 20 years ago, 10 years ago my dad moved back because of financial reasons, which were genuine at the time, but eventually started having affairs and even when he started making money and had enough to come back to NZ he didn't while we were all here worried about him and imaging he must have been struggling so we waited for him on our end. Of course he would have gone through hard times but it still doesn't excuse what he's done.
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