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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
October 20 2010 15:49 GMT
#21
On October 20 2010 22:21 SubtleArt wrote:
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On October 20 2010 19:23 Crawler wrote:
On October 20 2010 19:04 SubtleArt wrote:
On October 20 2010 16:54 Crawler wrote:
"And to top it all off, a scrub who calls Zerg OP at the end of it, right before finally quitting."

You know zerg is on equal to or maybe even above other races. Definetly not underpowered anymore so get used to zerg OP rages.


hahahahaha please don't post if you don't know what you're talking about.


heh.. what's wrong with my post? It's easy to say HUAUAHEEHEHEHEE you are wrong, I am right.

Forum is full of "I am Z, nerf X and Y" posts and it's getting really old. As a random player since beta I have to admit that balance has never been as worse as people make it sound (at least after release).


What's wrong with your post is that it's simply untrue. If you want me to elaborate, sure:
Among high level players, Terran is still the strongest race and Zerg the weakest. take a look at the list of tournament winners since patch 1.1:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160713

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Gold medals by race since patch 1.1:
Terran - 14
Protoss - 5
Zerg - 4


Tournament finalists be race since patch 1.1
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Terran - 26
Protoss - 11
Zerg - 9


Simple statistics show Terrans are placing higher and winning more tournaments than any other race at high level competitions and Zergs are winning the least. Keep in mind this is all after Patch 1.1, the one that left Zerg alone and nerfed reapers / tanks.

Yes the roach range buff of 1.2 helps tremendously, but it still doesn't skew the balance of the matchup towards Zerg. At very best, it makes it sort of even, but realistically it just turns the matchup from impossible to possible but still hard. Admittedly the most significant change is the reaper nerf, which allows Zergs to play hatch first, and this seems pretty big so we'll let it play out and then decide but overall Zerg is definitely not the strongest race.

Also unit stats aside, there's still fundamental problems to the matchup. Terran has way more early options and tech rushes and way better scouting and is better at controlling the pace of the game as opposed to Zerg players who usually find themselves in a passive, reactive role based of extremely limited scouting.

Try using real statistics of real players instead of imparting your low diamond knowledge.


On October 20 2010 19:04 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2010 16:54 Crawler wrote:
"And to top it all off, a scrub who calls Zerg OP at the end of it, right before finally quitting."

You know zerg is on equal to or maybe even above other races. Definetly not underpowered anymore so get used to zerg OP rages.


hahahahaha please don't post if you don't know what you're talking about.


Please take your own advice lolol your ignorance/arrogance/condescending tone is amazing for someone who doesn't have a clue.
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 15:59:55
October 20 2010 15:59 GMT
#22
I can tell the cheesers arent from BW..

Actually I take that back, they are probably all from BW LOL
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
October 20 2010 18:01 GMT
#23
YOU GUYS DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS GAME AT ALLLL!

I've been playing Starcraft since the dawn of time. Shit, I AM THE FIRST SCV! Statistics? Ignorance? Arrogance? Patches? Balance? Don't talk until you put on a marine suit, attach a Psi blade to each arm, and start spitting acid onto the endangered Panda Bears on the Great Plains of Andromeda!

Guys, chill out with the balance discussion, watch the replay, and laugh.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
October 21 2010 23:53 GMT
#24
I just watched this rep again and couldn't help but to bump this thread.

Balance QQ isn't the point. Hilarity is.
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2373 Posts
October 22 2010 12:45 GMT
#25
its really not the cheeser who is bm. Most of the time the chat reaction of the enemy is bm (i know that because i cheese a lot), like in this replay. The cheeser ia just doing his thing. Great replay.
ArbAttack
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada198 Posts
October 22 2010 20:07 GMT
#26
Always expect any SC2 related post to degenerate into balance flame wars.

Never fails.
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
October 22 2010 20:13 GMT
#27
The other day I played a random 2v2 ladder game where we were all protoss on Scorched Haven.

We procceded to proxy 4 gate (2 each) while the both cannon rushed. It was a fromage fest.

In theory this would have been a draw but I manage to save a couple of probes and 400 so we won !
Brood War is forever
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
October 24 2010 08:26 GMT
#28
when I used to play protoss I'd cannon rush every game on Metalopolis. It's fun and effective, unless they're zerg.
Marines > everything
ci_esteban
Profile Joined April 2010
United States217 Posts
October 24 2010 08:52 GMT
#29
On October 20 2010 16:54 Crawler wrote:
"And to top it all off, a scrub who calls Zerg OP at the end of it, right before finally quitting."

You know zerg is on equal to or maybe even above other races. Definetly not underpowered anymore so get used to zerg OP rages.


Reapers got overnerfed and roaches have 1 additional range and now the game favors Zerg?

rrriiiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttttttttttttt
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
October 24 2010 09:27 GMT
#30
Ugh... shitty balance shit seeping its way into everywhere.
IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
October 24 2010 10:38 GMT
#31
this sounds so ridiculous that I just have to cast it when I get some time
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