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Sharkified
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada254 Posts
October 15 2010 00:03 GMT
#41
I can help you in French if you want.
PoopLord
Profile Joined May 2010
537 Posts
October 15 2010 00:18 GMT
#42
I had an English teacher in 8th grade that spend the whole period yelling at students. I would just do grammar homework in his class all day. I remember one time he assigned us a project to make a kite, and we flew them during English class LOL.

It's funny because he got caught with having pictures of the students, as well as porn, on his personal computer a couple years later. I don't know why they haven't fired him, though...
Hizzo
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States193 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 00:24:06
October 15 2010 00:22 GMT
#43
On October 14 2010 13:14 imBLIND wrote:
I despise teachers that can't teach at all.

High school physics is a pain in the butt if you have a teacher that can't explain it right to you. I might as well just get a tutor and take the AP exam rather than sit in the class itself.


Hey man can't say it gets much better from there. I lucked out and had a great mechanics professor (who actually taught my step-dad 20 years ago when he went here) but now I have a shitty electricity and magnetism one.

Also in my systems programming class (programming in C) the prof goes off on these random tangents about things vaguely related like memory addresses, wondering what the code of some built in library functions look like and showing it to us like we need to know what's in it, etc. Kills me, I don't learn shit except when we have projects and then I have to dig myself out of a huge hole because that's when everything starts to click.

You're always going to get one somewhere imo.

(PS: took 3 years of french and don't remember nearly any of it either, fucking high school)
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DragonDefonce
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States790 Posts
October 15 2010 00:24 GMT
#44
On October 15 2010 09:22 Hizzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2010 13:14 imBLIND wrote:
I despise teachers that can't teach at all.

High school physics is a pain in the butt if you have a teacher that can't explain it right to you. I might as well just get a tutor and take the AP exam rather than sit in the class itself.


Hey man can't say it gets much better from there. I lucked out and had a great mechanics professor (who actually taught my step-dad 20 years ago when he went here) but now I have a shitty electricity and magnetism one.

You're always going to get one somewhere imo.

(PS: took 3 years of french and don't remember nearly any of it either, fucking high school)


Do you go to Binghamton by any chance? lol because thats exactly what I'm going through.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 15 2010 00:29 GMT
#45
On October 15 2010 09:18 PoopLord wrote:

It's funny because he got caught with having pictures of the students, as well as porn, on his personal computer a couple years later. I don't know why they haven't fired him, though...


Because it's ridiculously difficult to get fired as a highschool teacher...
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SaikOuLighT
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada742 Posts
October 15 2010 00:44 GMT
#46
When i took Spanish in high school, i had the same teacher for four years. She was a horrible teacher, because she would teach random stuff that would not even help for any test or exam she would give later on, and she would get really mad at us for doing bad. I took Spanish for 8 years and yet I did not feel like i learned anything when she taught me.

She probably would have gotten fired if it wasn't for the fact that all the guys and girls loved her because she was a freakin drop dead gorgeous latina babe. It really sucks though that people who little to no teaching experience get paid so much to do a crappy job.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
October 15 2010 00:45 GMT
#47
On October 15 2010 09:22 Hizzo wrote:
Also in my systems programming class (programming in C) the prof goes off on these random tangents about things vaguely related like memory addresses, wondering what the code of some built in library functions look like and showing it to us like we need to know what's in it, etc. Kills me, I don't learn shit except when we have projects and then I have to dig myself out of a huge hole because that's when everything starts to click.

I had a similar type of prof. Fortunately for me, I had some background in Perl and Java, but learning C was a pain in the ass still. It was pretty interesting imo to see where some of those tangents would lead though (although I'm sure 80% of my class was in the same position as you were).
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mieda
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States85 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 02:39:30
October 15 2010 02:21 GMT
#48
I speak from the perspective of both a student and a teacher.

One should also be aware that the lecturer may think of things not exactly the way you want it. It may not be packaged just right for you at the time of your taking the course, and it will most likely benefit you to see different perspectives of the same material. Believe it or not, there are actually many different ways of approaching the same topics.

I have many personal experiences of this, where the first time it happened to me when I was an undergrad I almost panic and freaked out from "how the hell am I going to ever make it through this course?!" but when my back was against the wall and just tried my best to survive (by going to office hours, bothering my professor, TA/CA, looking up resources in library, etc..), I actually came out really understanding how these people viewed the subject. It was beautiful! From hindsight, I would not want a life where I had given up, threw my hands in the air, and just blamed the lecturer for my own inadequacy.

Yes, it is scary at first, it's different from what you're used to (the easy packaging of the materials where everything is in cruise-mode). And yes, it takes effort on your part to try to understand how the lecturer is thinking of the subject. And yes, it is much easier to give up and blame the course/the lecturer for your inadequacy. And yes, this is what genuine learning entails. Don't expect it to be easy. You're going to have to be proactive and stop waiting passively for learning to happen. It's going to be hard, but also rewarding.

Most real learning is non-linear. You don't have one textbook or rigid source guiding you through it step by step (unless it's a very well understood subject like baby calculus or baby linear algebra, but even then you're going to have to learn it non-linear if you want to learn it well). You need to look up and read neighboring resources (or ahead of the books, and work backwards even), ask questions actively, and try to really understand by trial and error on your part - invent your own examples, be creative with them. In process, you may just as well find your own way of doing things. Great! Compare it with how others think, amend, compromise, etc..
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 15 2010 04:07 GMT
#49
On October 15 2010 11:21 mieda wrote:
I speak from the perspective of both a student and a teacher.

One should also be aware that the lecturer may think of things not exactly the way you want it. It may not be packaged just right for you at the time of your taking the course, and it will most likely benefit you to see different perspectives of the same material. Believe it or not, there are actually many different ways of approaching the same topics.

I have many personal experiences of this, where the first time it happened to me when I was an undergrad I almost panic and freaked out from "how the hell am I going to ever make it through this course?!" but when my back was against the wall and just tried my best to survive (by going to office hours, bothering my professor, TA/CA, looking up resources in library, etc..), I actually came out really understanding how these people viewed the subject. It was beautiful! From hindsight, I would not want a life where I had given up, threw my hands in the air, and just blamed the lecturer for my own inadequacy.

Yes, it is scary at first, it's different from what you're used to (the easy packaging of the materials where everything is in cruise-mode). And yes, it takes effort on your part to try to understand how the lecturer is thinking of the subject. And yes, it is much easier to give up and blame the course/the lecturer for your inadequacy. And yes, this is what genuine learning entails. Don't expect it to be easy. You're going to have to be proactive and stop waiting passively for learning to happen. It's going to be hard, but also rewarding.

Most real learning is non-linear. You don't have one textbook or rigid source guiding you through it step by step (unless it's a very well understood subject like baby calculus or baby linear algebra, but even then you're going to have to learn it non-linear if you want to learn it well). You need to look up and read neighboring resources (or ahead of the books, and work backwards even), ask questions actively, and try to really understand by trial and error on your part - invent your own examples, be creative with them. In process, you may just as well find your own way of doing things. Great! Compare it with how others think, amend, compromise, etc..


I feel like you are just baiting for someone to respond with your walls and walls of text, so I might as well take the bite.

The ideals you stated are great, except it has nothing to do with the discussion. Topic of discussion: some people cannot teach for beans.

You need to get off your high horse and stop with the assumption that every professors can teach properly; note, simply knowing the material well does not make you a good professor, you need to be able to explain it to the students. No, it should not be up to the student to spend extra time to learn on his own if the prof writes walls of ambiguous text while speaking to the board. While most students are capable of learning the material in a proactive manner, it's ridiculous to just dismiss the prof's responsibility of giving clear and understandable lectures. After all, each student pays thousands of dollars per class, and is entitled to the service of being lectured to a degree of satisfaction.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
mieda
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States85 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 04:25:19
October 15 2010 04:13 GMT
#50
On October 15 2010 13:07 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 11:21 mieda wrote:
I speak from the perspective of both a student and a teacher.

One should also be aware that the lecturer may think of things not exactly the way you want it. It may not be packaged just right for you at the time of your taking the course, and it will most likely benefit you to see different perspectives of the same material. Believe it or not, there are actually many different ways of approaching the same topics.

I have many personal experiences of this, where the first time it happened to me when I was an undergrad I almost panic and freaked out from "how the hell am I going to ever make it through this course?!" but when my back was against the wall and just tried my best to survive (by going to office hours, bothering my professor, TA/CA, looking up resources in library, etc..), I actually came out really understanding how these people viewed the subject. It was beautiful! From hindsight, I would not want a life where I had given up, threw my hands in the air, and just blamed the lecturer for my own inadequacy.

Yes, it is scary at first, it's different from what you're used to (the easy packaging of the materials where everything is in cruise-mode). And yes, it takes effort on your part to try to understand how the lecturer is thinking of the subject. And yes, it is much easier to give up and blame the course/the lecturer for your inadequacy. And yes, this is what genuine learning entails. Don't expect it to be easy. You're going to have to be proactive and stop waiting passively for learning to happen. It's going to be hard, but also rewarding.

Most real learning is non-linear. You don't have one textbook or rigid source guiding you through it step by step (unless it's a very well understood subject like baby calculus or baby linear algebra, but even then you're going to have to learn it non-linear if you want to learn it well). You need to look up and read neighboring resources (or ahead of the books, and work backwards even), ask questions actively, and try to really understand by trial and error on your part - invent your own examples, be creative with them. In process, you may just as well find your own way of doing things. Great! Compare it with how others think, amend, compromise, etc..


I feel like you are just baiting for someone to respond with your walls and walls of text, so I might as well take the bite.

The ideals you stated are great, except it has nothing to do with the discussion. Topic of discussion: some people cannot teach for beans.

You need to get off your high horse and stop with the assumption that every professors can teach properly; note, simply knowing the material well does not make you a good professor, you need to be able to explain it to the students. No, it should not be up to the student to spend extra time to learn on his own if the prof writes walls of ambiguous text while speaking to the board. While most students are capable of learning the material in a proactive manner, it's ridiculous to just dismiss the prof's responsibility of giving clear and understandable lectures. After all, each student pays thousands of dollars per class, and is entitled to the service of being lectured to a degree of satisfaction.


Sure, so what are you going to do if you do meet a professor whom you can't understand? I'm giving most kids here a little advice on how to take matters into your own hands. Most of what I hear here are lines and lines of complaints, with no suggestion of what to do . So what if your professor can't teach? Either 1) You form some justice alliance to throw away the evil tyrant or 2) Deal with it. Take your pick. I'm giving a suggestion on what to do if you decide to pick option #2.

And the way I see it, you're mostly paying the tuition so you can get your high horse titles anyway.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 15 2010 04:24 GMT
#51
On October 15 2010 13:13 mieda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 13:07 Cambium wrote:
On October 15 2010 11:21 mieda wrote:
I speak from the perspective of both a student and a teacher.

One should also be aware that the lecturer may think of things not exactly the way you want it. It may not be packaged just right for you at the time of your taking the course, and it will most likely benefit you to see different perspectives of the same material. Believe it or not, there are actually many different ways of approaching the same topics.

I have many personal experiences of this, where the first time it happened to me when I was an undergrad I almost panic and freaked out from "how the hell am I going to ever make it through this course?!" but when my back was against the wall and just tried my best to survive (by going to office hours, bothering my professor, TA/CA, looking up resources in library, etc..), I actually came out really understanding how these people viewed the subject. It was beautiful! From hindsight, I would not want a life where I had given up, threw my hands in the air, and just blamed the lecturer for my own inadequacy.

Yes, it is scary at first, it's different from what you're used to (the easy packaging of the materials where everything is in cruise-mode). And yes, it takes effort on your part to try to understand how the lecturer is thinking of the subject. And yes, it is much easier to give up and blame the course/the lecturer for your inadequacy. And yes, this is what genuine learning entails. Don't expect it to be easy. You're going to have to be proactive and stop waiting passively for learning to happen. It's going to be hard, but also rewarding.

Most real learning is non-linear. You don't have one textbook or rigid source guiding you through it step by step (unless it's a very well understood subject like baby calculus or baby linear algebra, but even then you're going to have to learn it non-linear if you want to learn it well). You need to look up and read neighboring resources (or ahead of the books, and work backwards even), ask questions actively, and try to really understand by trial and error on your part - invent your own examples, be creative with them. In process, you may just as well find your own way of doing things. Great! Compare it with how others think, amend, compromise, etc..


I feel like you are just baiting for someone to respond with your walls and walls of text, so I might as well take the bite.

The ideals you stated are great, except it has nothing to do with the discussion. Topic of discussion: some people cannot teach for beans.

You need to get off your high horse and stop with the assumption that every professors can teach properly; note, simply knowing the material well does not make you a good professor, you need to be able to explain it to the students. No, it should not be up to the student to spend extra time to learn on his own if the prof writes walls of ambiguous text while speaking to the board. While most students are capable of learning the material in a proactive manner, it's ridiculous to just dismiss the prof's responsibility of giving clear and understandable lectures. After all, each student pays thousands of dollars per class, and is entitled to the service of being lectured to a degree of satisfaction.


Sure, so what are you going to do if you do meet a professor whom you can't understand? I'm giving most kids here a little advice on how to take matters into your own hands. Most of what I hear here are lines and lines of complaints, with no suggestion of what to do . So what if your professor can't teach? Either 1) You form some justice alliance to throw away the evil tyrant or 2) Deal with it. Take your pick.

Or is this just another thread where people only rant, with no constructive suggestions? If so, then I apologize and continue ranting.


If what you said was truly a "suggestion", then it is indeed valuable. Unfortunately, it's pretty easy to infer from your apparently equivocating phraseology that, "if you don't understand the professor, then it is your fault for not trying hard enough".

I am just glad that we have your original intentions cleared up, because I'm happy that you acknowledge that some profs are just horrible, and to compensate for their ineptitudes in teaching, the students need to work harder, which may not be a bad thing.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
mieda
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States85 Posts
October 15 2010 04:48 GMT
#52
On October 15 2010 13:24 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 13:13 mieda wrote:
On October 15 2010 13:07 Cambium wrote:
On October 15 2010 11:21 mieda wrote:
I speak from the perspective of both a student and a teacher.

One should also be aware that the lecturer may think of things not exactly the way you want it. It may not be packaged just right for you at the time of your taking the course, and it will most likely benefit you to see different perspectives of the same material. Believe it or not, there are actually many different ways of approaching the same topics.

I have many personal experiences of this, where the first time it happened to me when I was an undergrad I almost panic and freaked out from "how the hell am I going to ever make it through this course?!" but when my back was against the wall and just tried my best to survive (by going to office hours, bothering my professor, TA/CA, looking up resources in library, etc..), I actually came out really understanding how these people viewed the subject. It was beautiful! From hindsight, I would not want a life where I had given up, threw my hands in the air, and just blamed the lecturer for my own inadequacy.

Yes, it is scary at first, it's different from what you're used to (the easy packaging of the materials where everything is in cruise-mode). And yes, it takes effort on your part to try to understand how the lecturer is thinking of the subject. And yes, it is much easier to give up and blame the course/the lecturer for your inadequacy. And yes, this is what genuine learning entails. Don't expect it to be easy. You're going to have to be proactive and stop waiting passively for learning to happen. It's going to be hard, but also rewarding.

Most real learning is non-linear. You don't have one textbook or rigid source guiding you through it step by step (unless it's a very well understood subject like baby calculus or baby linear algebra, but even then you're going to have to learn it non-linear if you want to learn it well). You need to look up and read neighboring resources (or ahead of the books, and work backwards even), ask questions actively, and try to really understand by trial and error on your part - invent your own examples, be creative with them. In process, you may just as well find your own way of doing things. Great! Compare it with how others think, amend, compromise, etc..


I feel like you are just baiting for someone to respond with your walls and walls of text, so I might as well take the bite.

The ideals you stated are great, except it has nothing to do with the discussion. Topic of discussion: some people cannot teach for beans.

You need to get off your high horse and stop with the assumption that every professors can teach properly; note, simply knowing the material well does not make you a good professor, you need to be able to explain it to the students. No, it should not be up to the student to spend extra time to learn on his own if the prof writes walls of ambiguous text while speaking to the board. While most students are capable of learning the material in a proactive manner, it's ridiculous to just dismiss the prof's responsibility of giving clear and understandable lectures. After all, each student pays thousands of dollars per class, and is entitled to the service of being lectured to a degree of satisfaction.


Sure, so what are you going to do if you do meet a professor whom you can't understand? I'm giving most kids here a little advice on how to take matters into your own hands. Most of what I hear here are lines and lines of complaints, with no suggestion of what to do . So what if your professor can't teach? Either 1) You form some justice alliance to throw away the evil tyrant or 2) Deal with it. Take your pick.

Or is this just another thread where people only rant, with no constructive suggestions? If so, then I apologize and continue ranting.


If what you said was truly a "suggestion", then it is indeed valuable. Unfortunately, it's pretty easy to infer from your apparently equivocating phraseology that, "if you don't understand the professor, then it is your fault for not trying hard enough".


More, "if you don't understand the professor, it only does you good to assume that you're inadequate and you ought to do something about it for your own benefit."


I am just glad that we have your original intentions cleared up, because I'm happy that you acknowledge that some profs are just horrible, and to compensate for their ineptitudes in teaching, the students need to work harder, which may not be a bad thing.


Great!
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 15 2010 04:53 GMT
#53
All throughout my high school years, most of the high school teachers seemed to me as people that failed to do well in their field of study and resorted to a safe boring job. With the exception of a few great teachers who loved teaching and cared for the students, majority of high school teachers turned out to be idiots.

Despite what you may have heard in school... wikipedia will teach almost anything better than the high school teacher. Guaranteed. This is assuming you have the patience and the study skills to self-learn from wikipedia articles, but I think an average high-schooler can do it just fine.

As most people said above, university/college professors tend to be much much better (for obvious reasons).
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kineSiS-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Korea (South)1068 Posts
October 15 2010 05:15 GMT
#54
On October 15 2010 13:13 mieda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 13:07 Cambium wrote:
On October 15 2010 11:21 mieda wrote:
I speak from the perspective of both a student and a teacher.

One should also be aware that the lecturer may think of things not exactly the way you want it. It may not be packaged just right for you at the time of your taking the course, and it will most likely benefit you to see different perspectives of the same material. Believe it or not, there are actually many different ways of approaching the same topics.

I have many personal experiences of this, where the first time it happened to me when I was an undergrad I almost panic and freaked out from "how the hell am I going to ever make it through this course?!" but when my back was against the wall and just tried my best to survive (by going to office hours, bothering my professor, TA/CA, looking up resources in library, etc..), I actually came out really understanding how these people viewed the subject. It was beautiful! From hindsight, I would not want a life where I had given up, threw my hands in the air, and just blamed the lecturer for my own inadequacy.

Yes, it is scary at first, it's different from what you're used to (the easy packaging of the materials where everything is in cruise-mode). And yes, it takes effort on your part to try to understand how the lecturer is thinking of the subject. And yes, it is much easier to give up and blame the course/the lecturer for your inadequacy. And yes, this is what genuine learning entails. Don't expect it to be easy. You're going to have to be proactive and stop waiting passively for learning to happen. It's going to be hard, but also rewarding.

Most real learning is non-linear. You don't have one textbook or rigid source guiding you through it step by step (unless it's a very well understood subject like baby calculus or baby linear algebra, but even then you're going to have to learn it non-linear if you want to learn it well). You need to look up and read neighboring resources (or ahead of the books, and work backwards even), ask questions actively, and try to really understand by trial and error on your part - invent your own examples, be creative with them. In process, you may just as well find your own way of doing things. Great! Compare it with how others think, amend, compromise, etc..


I feel like you are just baiting for someone to respond with your walls and walls of text, so I might as well take the bite.

The ideals you stated are great, except it has nothing to do with the discussion. Topic of discussion: some people cannot teach for beans.

You need to get off your high horse and stop with the assumption that every professors can teach properly; note, simply knowing the material well does not make you a good professor, you need to be able to explain it to the students. No, it should not be up to the student to spend extra time to learn on his own if the prof writes walls of ambiguous text while speaking to the board. While most students are capable of learning the material in a proactive manner, it's ridiculous to just dismiss the prof's responsibility of giving clear and understandable lectures. After all, each student pays thousands of dollars per class, and is entitled to the service of being lectured to a degree of satisfaction.


Sure, so what are you going to do if you do meet a professor whom you can't understand? I'm giving most kids here a little advice on how to take matters into your own hands. Most of what I hear here are lines and lines of complaints, with no suggestion of what to do . So what if your professor can't teach? Either 1) You form some justice alliance to throw away the evil tyrant or 2) Deal with it. Take your pick. I'm giving a suggestion on what to do if you decide to pick option #2.

And the way I see it, you're mostly paying the tuition so you can get your high horse titles anyway.


However, aren't we entitled to gain knowledge through an intermediary that not only has the desire to teach us but has skill?

What is genius without the proper ability to COMMUNICATE with one's apprentices. These students are the very next generation that will be commandeering the future. The school is entitled to hire teachers who are proficient and can do their job properly. This point can be expounded upon ,but I have little time to waste today.

Furthermore, there is the idea of locum parentis . This entitles the school to be responsible in not only the legal matters that involve the student but to make sure the student is prepared for life. If the student does not have a teacher that can successfully help the student, then he is worthless. If you have twenty dollars as opposed to one, but the vending machine does not accept bills past one and there is no immediate area (that you can go to without expending excessive amounts of energy) then the twenty dollras is worthless.

A nobel laureate that cannot express his ideas is more worthless than a sub-par and mediocre teacher than can guide his students. Though, it would be preferred to have a sort of segway or compromise between the two.

Taking action is obviously a valid point, I don't disagree at all. In fact, that is important, the generation nowadays lacks the fortitude and resolve to achieve what they want. They expect the greatest things in life to come with minimal effort. Impossible that is, however, without an intermediary between knowledge and the avid learner, it is more fault upon the school than the student.
mieda
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States85 Posts
October 15 2010 05:45 GMT
#55
On October 15 2010 14:15 kineSiS- wrote:
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On October 15 2010 13:13 mieda wrote:
On October 15 2010 13:07 Cambium wrote:
On October 15 2010 11:21 mieda wrote:
I speak from the perspective of both a student and a teacher.

One should also be aware that the lecturer may think of things not exactly the way you want it. It may not be packaged just right for you at the time of your taking the course, and it will most likely benefit you to see different perspectives of the same material. Believe it or not, there are actually many different ways of approaching the same topics.

I have many personal experiences of this, where the first time it happened to me when I was an undergrad I almost panic and freaked out from "how the hell am I going to ever make it through this course?!" but when my back was against the wall and just tried my best to survive (by going to office hours, bothering my professor, TA/CA, looking up resources in library, etc..), I actually came out really understanding how these people viewed the subject. It was beautiful! From hindsight, I would not want a life where I had given up, threw my hands in the air, and just blamed the lecturer for my own inadequacy.

Yes, it is scary at first, it's different from what you're used to (the easy packaging of the materials where everything is in cruise-mode). And yes, it takes effort on your part to try to understand how the lecturer is thinking of the subject. And yes, it is much easier to give up and blame the course/the lecturer for your inadequacy. And yes, this is what genuine learning entails. Don't expect it to be easy. You're going to have to be proactive and stop waiting passively for learning to happen. It's going to be hard, but also rewarding.

Most real learning is non-linear. You don't have one textbook or rigid source guiding you through it step by step (unless it's a very well understood subject like baby calculus or baby linear algebra, but even then you're going to have to learn it non-linear if you want to learn it well). You need to look up and read neighboring resources (or ahead of the books, and work backwards even), ask questions actively, and try to really understand by trial and error on your part - invent your own examples, be creative with them. In process, you may just as well find your own way of doing things. Great! Compare it with how others think, amend, compromise, etc..


I feel like you are just baiting for someone to respond with your walls and walls of text, so I might as well take the bite.

The ideals you stated are great, except it has nothing to do with the discussion. Topic of discussion: some people cannot teach for beans.

You need to get off your high horse and stop with the assumption that every professors can teach properly; note, simply knowing the material well does not make you a good professor, you need to be able to explain it to the students. No, it should not be up to the student to spend extra time to learn on his own if the prof writes walls of ambiguous text while speaking to the board. While most students are capable of learning the material in a proactive manner, it's ridiculous to just dismiss the prof's responsibility of giving clear and understandable lectures. After all, each student pays thousands of dollars per class, and is entitled to the service of being lectured to a degree of satisfaction.


Sure, so what are you going to do if you do meet a professor whom you can't understand? I'm giving most kids here a little advice on how to take matters into your own hands. Most of what I hear here are lines and lines of complaints, with no suggestion of what to do . So what if your professor can't teach? Either 1) You form some justice alliance to throw away the evil tyrant or 2) Deal with it. Take your pick. I'm giving a suggestion on what to do if you decide to pick option #2.

And the way I see it, you're mostly paying the tuition so you can get your high horse titles anyway.


However, aren't we entitled to gain knowledge through an intermediary that not only has the desire to teach us but has skill?

What is genius without the proper ability to COMMUNICATE with one's apprentices. These students are the very next generation that will be commandeering the future. The school is entitled to hire teachers who are proficient and can do their job properly. This point can be expounded upon ,but I have little time to waste today.

Furthermore, there is the idea of locum parentis . This entitles the school to be responsible in not only the legal matters that involve the student but to make sure the student is prepared for life. If the student does not have a teacher that can successfully help the student, then he is worthless. If you have twenty dollars as opposed to one, but the vending machine does not accept bills past one and there is no immediate area (that you can go to without expending excessive amounts of energy) then the twenty dollras is worthless.

A nobel laureate that cannot express his ideas is more worthless than a sub-par and mediocre teacher than can guide his students. Though, it would be preferred to have a sort of segway or compromise between the two.

Taking action is obviously a valid point, I don't disagree at all. In fact, that is important, the generation nowadays lacks the fortitude and resolve to achieve what they want. They expect the greatest things in life to come with minimal effort. Impossible that is, however, without an intermediary between knowledge and the avid learner, it is more fault upon the school than the student.


Not sure why you're starting this post with "However," since what you're saying here doesn't really contradict anything I said. As I said, I was only giving a suggestion if people decide to take option #2 in my previous post.

You seem to be branching off now, giving ideals on how the system should be. Sure, all agreed. No contradiction to anything I said. You're engendering a new topic.

With that said, I'm going to ask the beginning college students here to give some benefit of doubt to the professors.

bbq ftw
Profile Joined September 2010
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 06:03:01
October 15 2010 06:02 GMT
#56
However, aren't we entitled to gain knowledge through an intermediary that not only has the desire to teach us but has skill?

In a word: no. Not if you're at a research institution.

However, aren't we entitled to gain knowledge through an intermediary that not only has the desire to teach us but has skill?

Generally if you choose to go to a research institution (as opposed to a more liberal-arts-ish school), you should have some idea about what you're buying into. At a glance:
-Professors whose tenure, and the jobs of basically all the students/postdocs working under him, is dependent basically on the quality of research. And those that do don't have a huge incentive to teach well anyways.
-TAs who have their own coursework, and are probably more busy figuring out what research group to join (which will basically be their life for the next 4-6 years, dependant on field).

But as far as training and being immersed in the research going on the field, I think there's no comparison. That said, I know quite a few people in my class who came from the liberal arts college background that are far more knowledgeable than me.

As far as coursework, you are buying a lottery w/ your tuition. In undergrad, I've had great professors, some mediocre, some terrible. If you looked at ~school ranking~ and made that the basis for your entire decision, then its completely your fault. As mieda says, Deal with it.

Again, caveat emptor--be sure you know what you're buying into (maybe this will help some people w/ their college applications, I hope).

These students are the very next generation that will be commandeering the future. The school is entitled to hire teachers who are proficient and can do their job properly.

Oh :cripes:. A good teacher does not necessarily make a good research advisor, and vice versa.

Guess which quality is more important in most contexts?

Some concerns are far greater than spoonfeeding material to people that lack the initiative to find the answers themselves.

The school is entitled to hire teachers who are proficient and can do their job properly.

I think you mean 'bound' or 'obligated' instead of entitled; in any case, this is simply not the case at most universities.
This entitles the school to be responsible in not only the legal matters that involve the student but to make sure the student is prepared for life.

The school substituting as parent as guardian and moral teacher has basically proved to be a trainwreck.
If the student does not have a teacher that can successfully help the student, then he is worthless.

Its this mentality exactly, that evokes the current state of the American education system, which in Tony Woodlief's words "[takes] a naturally inquisitive child—which is to say nearly every child—and transmogrifying him into a dullard who has no interest in learning".

While certainly teachers shouldn't be expected to be cretins, I think what most of the complainers on this thread are demanding far more; that they be taught the subject in a way that enables them to master material with little effort expended.
A nobel laureate that cannot express his ideas is more worthless than a sub-par and mediocre teacher than can guide his students.

As someone who has sat/stood through 4~ Nobel laureate lectures, I can attest that some of them aren't the best lecturers (read: incredibly boring), but people still turn out in droves listen to them, and for good reason.

Even though the delivery may not be inspiring, the science is, and that's enough for some people.
Impossible that is, however, without an intermediary between knowledge and the avid learner, it is more fault upon the school than the student.

Its not like there's abyss separating the student from knowledge, crossable only w/ the guidance of a teacher.

The internet, for a series of a tubes, is an amazingly useful tool for learning.
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