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On October 13 2010 02:23 Fontong wrote:
Ugh SC2 is so bad to watch. Everything looks so damn easy, even if you are hitting with a flank from all sides. If you saw an awesome flank or Jangbi storms or ensnare go down you knew it took ridiculous amounts of practice to pull that off.
It's like watching soccer but now you can carry the ball with your hands and throw it anywhere.
There is very little difference between micro in SC2 and micro in SC1.
In fact, players who are better at micro in SC2 will gain an even greater advantage than they will in SC1 due to how units work.
It looks exactly the same to the observer, btw.
The notion that the best players are "1aing" is simply untrue. Unit behavior exploitation will take extreme skill and is no where near developed yet, give it time.
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
"join date: 26th august 2010"
There is very little difference between micro in SC2 and micro in SC1.
In fact, players who are better at micro in SC2 will gain an even greater advantage than they will in SC1 due to how units work.
It looks exactly the same to the observer, btw.
User was warned for this post
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On October 13 2010 02:27 Nu11 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:23 Fontong wrote:
Ugh SC2 is so bad to watch. Everything looks so damn easy, even if you are hitting with a flank from all sides. If you saw an awesome flank or Jangbi storms or ensnare go down you knew it took ridiculous amounts of practice to pull that off.
It's like watching soccer but now you can carry the ball with your hands and throw it anywhere. There is very little difference between micro in SC2 and micro in SC1. In fact, players who are better at micro in SC2 will gain an even greater advantage than they will in SC1 due to how units work. It looks exactly the same to the observer, btw. The notion that the best players are "1aing" is simply untrue. Unit behavior exploitation will take extreme skill and is no where near developed yet, give it time.
Doesn't change the fact that Bw micro is 10x harder than in Sc2 ( and macro 100x ).
I mean Defiler+lurkerling man T-T
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On October 13 2010 02:26 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:24 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:16 konadora wrote:On October 13 2010 02:14 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:08 JIJIyO wrote:I...........hate............sc2............. And Effort if you're really going into sc2 I don't know what to think =/ How could you leave SC for that game. If only there was more money thrown at SC since it's the only way to compete with sc2. People go where money goes I guess. And I still can't believe the old school greats are going to it.............goddamn......... On October 13 2010 02:04 strength wrote:
Nice i hope everything switches to SC2. Seems like the old retired players are coming back to play =] A bigger community ! And I know it's not your intention (hopefully) to piss me off, and people who post this are usually just happy their game is growing, but. I FUCKING RAGE WHEN I SEE THESE MESSAGES ARJILG. Sigh. why would you say "for that game" it is the natural evolution for starcraft 1 players to move to Starcraft 2. It is the successor to that game, like broodwar was to the original Starcraft. The only reason anyone was ever playing SC at a competitive level in Korea was for money, dont let yourself be blinded by your love. It is a buisness. Esports is a business. SC1 is only as popular as a professional esport because there was money to be made. you and your capitalism know-hows I am far from a capitalist, but without money people cannot live in todays society. Without sponsored prize pools and salaries pro-gamers cannot live. They would need to pursue other activities. It shocks me that you would be upset by the "money" issue; specifically in regards to the GSL and its high prize pool taking players. It's such a wonderful thing that these people can make more money than they are making now. Many of them do not make enough as it is. With such high prize pools on a monthly basis I can see many teams offering higher salaries, better living conditions, more sponsors, more teams and an overall vast improvement to the life of a pro-gamer. For instance, Cool, the winner for the first TSL just won 100m won for a months work. That would never happen in broodwar due to the structure of the proleagues. Is that not a good thing? I don't see it being bad. Imagine what he can do for his team and their players now. I just dont understand the selfishness of some members here. Throwing money at esports that is going directly into the players pockets is NEVER a bad thing. god you people will never understand
hilarious post.
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The major European sponsorship player has to be Flash. He's the obvious choice given his record and popularity, plus he's still young, and on top of that he's shown much less interest in SC2 than JD has (re: "The player in question has expressed no desire to move onto Starcraft 2 yet"). That's very interesting though. I love rumors!
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:24 Nu11 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:16 konadora wrote:On October 13 2010 02:14 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:08 JIJIyO wrote:I...........hate............sc2............. And Effort if you're really going into sc2 I don't know what to think =/ How could you leave SC for that game. If only there was more money thrown at SC since it's the only way to compete with sc2. People go where money goes I guess. And I still can't believe the old school greats are going to it.............goddamn......... On October 13 2010 02:04 strength wrote:
Nice i hope everything switches to SC2. Seems like the old retired players are coming back to play =] A bigger community ! And I know it's not your intention (hopefully) to piss me off, and people who post this are usually just happy their game is growing, but. I FUCKING RAGE WHEN I SEE THESE MESSAGES ARJILG. Sigh. why would you say "for that game" it is the natural evolution for starcraft 1 players to move to Starcraft 2. It is the successor to that game, like broodwar was to the original Starcraft. The only reason anyone was ever playing SC at a competitive level in Korea was for money, dont let yourself be blinded by your love. It is a buisness. Esports is a business. SC1 is only as popular as a professional esport because there was money to be made. you and your capitalism know-hows I am far from a capitalist, but without money people cannot live in todays society. Without sponsored prize pools and salaries pro-gamers cannot live. They would need to pursue other activities. It shocks me that you would be upset by the "money" issue; specifically in regards to the GSL and its high prize pool taking players. It's such a wonderful thing that these people can make more money than they are making now. Many of them do not make enough as it is. With such high prize pools on a monthly basis I can see many teams offering higher salaries, better living conditions, more sponsors, more teams and an overall vast improvement to the life of a pro-gamer. For instance, Cool, the winner for the first TSL just won 100m won for a months work. That would never happen in broodwar due to the structure of the proleagues. Is that not a good thing? I don't see it being bad. Imagine what he can do for his team and their players now. I just dont understand the selfishness of some members here. Throwing money at esports that is going directly into the players pockets is NEVER a bad thing.
Except there are no salaries and I didn't hear about Cool re-investing that money into a team or a league or anything, unlike Boxer and many other players in the early days of BW, leading to the creation of proleague and the standard OSL/MSL and proteams and SALARIES and SPONSORS. You didn't have to start this by saying that you're not a capitalist, your myopic view of how money flows is evidence enough. Like kona said, you people will never fucking understand. I can barely veil my anger and resentment for you (not you specifically, but at all the people who so readily see the bright side of this news).
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On October 13 2010 02:28 konadora wrote:"join date: 26th august 2010" Show nested quote +There is very little difference between micro in SC2 and micro in SC1.
In fact, players who are better at micro in SC2 will gain an even greater advantage than they will in SC1 due to how units work.
It looks exactly the same to the observer, btw.
I don't see how my join date has anything to do with what I'm saying.
No one seems to understand that you do not need to play SC2 the way noobs do. You can, and the best players do and will control smaller groups of units just like they did in SC1.
SC2 allows bad players to play the game, but it doesn't change the way professionals play.
clicking a hotkey to a templar and selecting where you wish storm to appear on the floor tiles is exactly the same, that is fact.
Bad players can queue up all their templar and only hit one initial hotkey, however they will not be able to successfully storm players who do not group all their units together.
Again, just because the bad players are running around with one gigantic ball of units does not mean everyone is, I have no idea why people will not accept this fact.
Is that not true?
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:28 konadora wrote:"join date: 26th august 2010" Show nested quote +There is very little difference between micro in SC2 and micro in SC1.
In fact, players who are better at micro in SC2 will gain an even greater advantage than they will in SC1 due to how units work.
It looks exactly the same to the observer, btw.
Auto-ignore.
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On October 13 2010 01:01 Milkis wrote:
[*] MSL is scrapped. If MBC Game cannot broadcast the Proleague, they are considering disbanding MBC Game Heroes
This is the one that makes me really sad. Flash and JD will never get their Golden Badge then. =(
I don't like SC2. I know that some pple do. But it is incredibly unfair that everything has to be done at the expense of BW.
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On October 13 2010 02:31 Nu11 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:28 konadora wrote:"join date: 26th august 2010" There is very little difference between micro in SC2 and micro in SC1.
In fact, players who are better at micro in SC2 will gain an even greater advantage than they will in SC1 due to how units work.
It looks exactly the same to the observer, btw. I don't see how my join date has anything to do with what I'm saying. No one seems to understand that you do not need to play SC2 the way noobs do. You can, and the best players do and will control smaller groups of units just like they did in SC1. SC2 allows bad players to play the game, but it doesn't change the way professionals play. clicking a hotkey to a templar and selecting where you wish storm to appear on the floor tiles is exactly the same, that is fact. Bad players can queue up all their templar and only hit one initial hotkey, however they will not be able to successfully storm players who do not group all their units together. Again, just because the bad players are running around with one gigantic ball of units does not mean everyone is, I have no idea why people will not accept this fact. Is that not true?
In SC2 anyone can do Jangbi-esque storms
As for SC1, do you know what cloning is?
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On October 13 2010 02:28 Nu11 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:26 konadora wrote:On October 13 2010 02:24 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:16 konadora wrote:On October 13 2010 02:14 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:08 JIJIyO wrote:I...........hate............sc2............. And Effort if you're really going into sc2 I don't know what to think =/ How could you leave SC for that game. If only there was more money thrown at SC since it's the only way to compete with sc2. People go where money goes I guess. And I still can't believe the old school greats are going to it.............goddamn......... On October 13 2010 02:04 strength wrote:
Nice i hope everything switches to SC2. Seems like the old retired players are coming back to play =] A bigger community ! And I know it's not your intention (hopefully) to piss me off, and people who post this are usually just happy their game is growing, but. I FUCKING RAGE WHEN I SEE THESE MESSAGES ARJILG. Sigh. why would you say "for that game" it is the natural evolution for starcraft 1 players to move to Starcraft 2. It is the successor to that game, like broodwar was to the original Starcraft. The only reason anyone was ever playing SC at a competitive level in Korea was for money, dont let yourself be blinded by your love. It is a buisness. Esports is a business. SC1 is only as popular as a professional esport because there was money to be made. you and your capitalism know-hows I am far from a capitalist, but without money people cannot live in todays society. Without sponsored prize pools and salaries pro-gamers cannot live. They would need to pursue other activities. It shocks me that you would be upset by the "money" issue; specifically in regards to the GSL and its high prize pool taking players. It's such a wonderful thing that these people can make more money than they are making now. Many of them do not make enough as it is. With such high prize pools on a monthly basis I can see many teams offering higher salaries, better living conditions, more sponsors, more teams and an overall vast improvement to the life of a pro-gamer. For instance, Cool, the winner for the first TSL just won 100m won for a months work. That would never happen in broodwar due to the structure of the proleagues. Is that not a good thing? I don't see it being bad. Imagine what he can do for his team and their players now. I just dont understand the selfishness of some members here. Throwing money at esports that is going directly into the players pockets is NEVER a bad thing. god you people will never understand hilarious post.
Konadora loves BW. He does not love SC2. He is sad to see good players leave BW. Why are you trying to argue anything at all about money?
Though, of course, you could always point out Flash made way more than Cool will make, and there's dozens and dozens of players with room and board as well as salaries (however low) while only the few top players of the GSL make any substantial cash.
But that's not the point.
EDIT: Wow this thread is getting derailed. Anyway, Boxer's transition seems to be a huge, huge deal.
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On October 13 2010 02:31 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:24 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:16 konadora wrote:On October 13 2010 02:14 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:08 JIJIyO wrote:I...........hate............sc2............. And Effort if you're really going into sc2 I don't know what to think =/ How could you leave SC for that game. If only there was more money thrown at SC since it's the only way to compete with sc2. People go where money goes I guess. And I still can't believe the old school greats are going to it.............goddamn......... On October 13 2010 02:04 strength wrote:
Nice i hope everything switches to SC2. Seems like the old retired players are coming back to play =] A bigger community ! And I know it's not your intention (hopefully) to piss me off, and people who post this are usually just happy their game is growing, but. I FUCKING RAGE WHEN I SEE THESE MESSAGES ARJILG. Sigh. why would you say "for that game" it is the natural evolution for starcraft 1 players to move to Starcraft 2. It is the successor to that game, like broodwar was to the original Starcraft. The only reason anyone was ever playing SC at a competitive level in Korea was for money, dont let yourself be blinded by your love. It is a buisness. Esports is a business. SC1 is only as popular as a professional esport because there was money to be made. you and your capitalism know-hows I am far from a capitalist, but without money people cannot live in todays society. Without sponsored prize pools and salaries pro-gamers cannot live. They would need to pursue other activities. It shocks me that you would be upset by the "money" issue; specifically in regards to the GSL and its high prize pool taking players. It's such a wonderful thing that these people can make more money than they are making now. Many of them do not make enough as it is. With such high prize pools on a monthly basis I can see many teams offering higher salaries, better living conditions, more sponsors, more teams and an overall vast improvement to the life of a pro-gamer. For instance, Cool, the winner for the first TSL just won 100m won for a months work. That would never happen in broodwar due to the structure of the proleagues. Is that not a good thing? I don't see it being bad. Imagine what he can do for his team and their players now. I just dont understand the selfishness of some members here. Throwing money at esports that is going directly into the players pockets is NEVER a bad thing. Except there are no salaries and I didn't hear about Cool re-investing that money into a team or a league or anything, unlike Boxer and many other players in the early days of BW, leading to the creation of proleague and the standard OSL/MSL and proteams and SALARIES and SPONSORS. You didn't have to start this by saying that you're not a capitalist, your myopic view of how money flows is evidence enough. Like kona said, you people will never fucking understand. I can barely veil my anger and resentment for you (not you specifically, but at all the people who so readily see the bright side of this news).
Who said there are no salaries? there are salaries, and there will be more of them. Cool's team has like 7-8 sponsors. To assume they will not be gaining an income is silly.
I started by saying I'm not a capitalist because kona accused me of being so.
There is obviously a negative side to this news. It's horrible that a culture that has grown over so long has to be so shaken. It's horrible the way things are going on. This could of been much smoother. But it's also horrible that there a lot of people who do not want Starcraft 2 to succeed, they are equally in the wrong.
There is, however a lot of great news here, and a bright future for a lot of new players, and old players a like. To simply push away any positive side to this is just as bad as to ignore the bad, is that not true?
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On October 13 2010 02:33 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:31 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:28 konadora wrote:"join date: 26th august 2010" There is very little difference between micro in SC2 and micro in SC1.
In fact, players who are better at micro in SC2 will gain an even greater advantage than they will in SC1 due to how units work.
It looks exactly the same to the observer, btw. I don't see how my join date has anything to do with what I'm saying. No one seems to understand that you do not need to play SC2 the way noobs do. You can, and the best players do and will control smaller groups of units just like they did in SC1. SC2 allows bad players to play the game, but it doesn't change the way professionals play. clicking a hotkey to a templar and selecting where you wish storm to appear on the floor tiles is exactly the same, that is fact. Bad players can queue up all their templar and only hit one initial hotkey, however they will not be able to successfully storm players who do not group all their units together. Again, just because the bad players are running around with one gigantic ball of units does not mean everyone is, I have no idea why people will not accept this fact. Is that not true? In SC2 anyone can do Jangbi-esque storms As for SC1, do you know what cloning is?
The micro tricks will differ for the games, obviously cloning doesnt work in Starcraft 2. They are different games! Give it time.
To say that anyone can pull off jangbi-esque storms is a little ignorant, because if the opponent doesnt walk around with 1 control group it will become increasingly difficult to land them.
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
Stop Nu11. Stop. You won't convince us about sc2 stuff. We won't convince you about SC stuff. Stop.
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On October 13 2010 02:37 Nu11 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:33 Fontong wrote:On October 13 2010 02:31 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:28 konadora wrote:"join date: 26th august 2010" There is very little difference between micro in SC2 and micro in SC1.
In fact, players who are better at micro in SC2 will gain an even greater advantage than they will in SC1 due to how units work.
It looks exactly the same to the observer, btw. I don't see how my join date has anything to do with what I'm saying. No one seems to understand that you do not need to play SC2 the way noobs do. You can, and the best players do and will control smaller groups of units just like they did in SC1. SC2 allows bad players to play the game, but it doesn't change the way professionals play. clicking a hotkey to a templar and selecting where you wish storm to appear on the floor tiles is exactly the same, that is fact. Bad players can queue up all their templar and only hit one initial hotkey, however they will not be able to successfully storm players who do not group all their units together. Again, just because the bad players are running around with one gigantic ball of units does not mean everyone is, I have no idea why people will not accept this fact. Is that not true? In SC2 anyone can do Jangbi-esque storms As for SC1, do you know what cloning is? The micro tricks will differ for the games, obviously cloning doesnt work in Starcraft 2. They are different games! Give it time. To say that anyone can pull off jangbi-esque storms is a little ignorant, because if the opponent doesnt walk around with 1 control group it will become increasingly difficult to land them.
Dude just stop trying to argue, you don't know what you're talking about.
I promise things wont end well if you keep trying to go against the BW population of TL
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:33 DeckOneBell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:28 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:26 konadora wrote:On October 13 2010 02:24 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:16 konadora wrote:On October 13 2010 02:14 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:08 JIJIyO wrote:I...........hate............sc2............. And Effort if you're really going into sc2 I don't know what to think =/ How could you leave SC for that game. If only there was more money thrown at SC since it's the only way to compete with sc2. People go where money goes I guess. And I still can't believe the old school greats are going to it.............goddamn......... On October 13 2010 02:04 strength wrote:
Nice i hope everything switches to SC2. Seems like the old retired players are coming back to play =] A bigger community ! And I know it's not your intention (hopefully) to piss me off, and people who post this are usually just happy their game is growing, but. I FUCKING RAGE WHEN I SEE THESE MESSAGES ARJILG. Sigh. why would you say "for that game" it is the natural evolution for starcraft 1 players to move to Starcraft 2. It is the successor to that game, like broodwar was to the original Starcraft. The only reason anyone was ever playing SC at a competitive level in Korea was for money, dont let yourself be blinded by your love. It is a buisness. Esports is a business. SC1 is only as popular as a professional esport because there was money to be made. you and your capitalism know-hows I am far from a capitalist, but without money people cannot live in todays society. Without sponsored prize pools and salaries pro-gamers cannot live. They would need to pursue other activities. It shocks me that you would be upset by the "money" issue; specifically in regards to the GSL and its high prize pool taking players. It's such a wonderful thing that these people can make more money than they are making now. Many of them do not make enough as it is. With such high prize pools on a monthly basis I can see many teams offering higher salaries, better living conditions, more sponsors, more teams and an overall vast improvement to the life of a pro-gamer. For instance, Cool, the winner for the first TSL just won 100m won for a months work. That would never happen in broodwar due to the structure of the proleagues. Is that not a good thing? I don't see it being bad. Imagine what he can do for his team and their players now. I just dont understand the selfishness of some members here. Throwing money at esports that is going directly into the players pockets is NEVER a bad thing. god you people will never understand hilarious post. Konadora loves BW. He does not love SC2. He is sad to see good players leave BW. Why are you trying to argue anything at all about money? Though, of course, you could always point out Flash made way more than Cool will make, and there's dozens and dozens of players with room and board as well as salaries (however low) while only the few top players of the GSL make any substantial cash. But that's not the point. EDIT: Wow this thread is getting derailed. Anyway, Boxer's transition seems to be a huge, huge deal.
i would like to point out that i do not "do not love SC2". i do in fact watch the GSL and found the finals to be exciting. my threads and posts i made regarding to SC2 is about how it is bad for a (relatively) newbie (to sc2) to watching a SC2 VOD and pointed out its flaws.
what i am pissed about is that people have no idea how significant a role brood war, the very definition of e-sports in korea, has played during the history of esports, and is being given no credit or recognition at all, especially by the new users on TL who think they have all the knowledge with regards to "e-sports". 10 years of history in the making being tossed down the chute like a trash.
edit: lol you think i followed bw for money? jesus fucking christ.
when G.O had to pay for their food out of their own pocket, if they were doing it for money, they could have left to further their studies and make more MONEY. instead, they didn't. why? because passion for the game is what drives fans and players. you see people hugging each other in ecstasy and screaming after Flash vs Jaedong game 2 for WCG because Jaedong had more chance to earn money? you think thousands of people gathered to watch July vs Best because an old player has finally gotten another chance to earn more money?
I CERTAINLY DO NOT THINK SO.
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Bulgaria4059 Posts
I`m so sad reading all of this. The worst thing is that someone managed to destroy a pro-scene that was build so hard over the years for a game that is just simply worse than bw. I cant get over this.
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On October 13 2010 02:33 DeckOneBell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 02:28 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:26 konadora wrote:On October 13 2010 02:24 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:16 konadora wrote:On October 13 2010 02:14 Nu11 wrote:On October 13 2010 02:08 JIJIyO wrote:I...........hate............sc2............. And Effort if you're really going into sc2 I don't know what to think =/ How could you leave SC for that game. If only there was more money thrown at SC since it's the only way to compete with sc2. People go where money goes I guess. And I still can't believe the old school greats are going to it.............goddamn......... On October 13 2010 02:04 strength wrote:
Nice i hope everything switches to SC2. Seems like the old retired players are coming back to play =] A bigger community ! And I know it's not your intention (hopefully) to piss me off, and people who post this are usually just happy their game is growing, but. I FUCKING RAGE WHEN I SEE THESE MESSAGES ARJILG. Sigh. why would you say "for that game" it is the natural evolution for starcraft 1 players to move to Starcraft 2. It is the successor to that game, like broodwar was to the original Starcraft. The only reason anyone was ever playing SC at a competitive level in Korea was for money, dont let yourself be blinded by your love. It is a buisness. Esports is a business. SC1 is only as popular as a professional esport because there was money to be made. you and your capitalism know-hows I am far from a capitalist, but without money people cannot live in todays society. Without sponsored prize pools and salaries pro-gamers cannot live. They would need to pursue other activities. It shocks me that you would be upset by the "money" issue; specifically in regards to the GSL and its high prize pool taking players. It's such a wonderful thing that these people can make more money than they are making now. Many of them do not make enough as it is. With such high prize pools on a monthly basis I can see many teams offering higher salaries, better living conditions, more sponsors, more teams and an overall vast improvement to the life of a pro-gamer. For instance, Cool, the winner for the first TSL just won 100m won for a months work. That would never happen in broodwar due to the structure of the proleagues. Is that not a good thing? I don't see it being bad. Imagine what he can do for his team and their players now. I just dont understand the selfishness of some members here. Throwing money at esports that is going directly into the players pockets is NEVER a bad thing. god you people will never understand hilarious post. Konadora loves BW. He does not love SC2. He is sad to see good players leave BW. Why are you trying to argue anything at all about money? Though, of course, you could always point out Flash made way more than Cool will make, and there's dozens and dozens of players with room and board as well as salaries (however low) while only the few top players of the GSL make any substantial cash. But that's not the point. EDIT: Wow this thread is getting derailed. Anyway, Boxer's transition seems to be a huge, huge deal.
If you read my original post I was never trying to argue money. I am the neutral here, I am on both sides. I love both games. I am sad to see the end of legends from Brood war as well, however, I do not see it as the end. I see it as a new start. Is that wrong as well? I believe kona was cursing money for being the reason they left. I am simply stating money is the only reason they were ever there in the first place.
Flash makes more than cool does now, but that is irrelevant. Eventually SC2 salaries will exceed SC1 salaries, they have to. Economics and progression simply work that way.
kona doesn't have to love SC2. I was simply asking why, I made it clear I was not attacking anyone.
I'm sorry to kona if I appeared that way, and to anyone else, but I am simply attempting to look at the positive side of things. I love starcraft. What version of starcraft it is is not so important to me.
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It makes me sad to see new people not understanding the greatness of BW. It's such a better game in many aspects.
TL was BUILT upon BW. There's a damn reason for why we all love this ancient game so much.
I know you love your shiny graphics that is SC2, but if you have no understanding of BW, please don't try to compare the two.
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
Basically what Xenocide and Jyo said.
Let's say you love oranges, and then the local store got 100 dollars to throw away all the oranges and replace them with apples, and then told you that apples are better than oranges because they are easier to eat but still really tasty, and therefore you should be happy. You would probably be pissed just like we are. I've tried apples. I'll have my oranges plz.
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