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On September 15 2010 10:33 itzbrandnew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 10:27 sob3k wrote:
EDIT: lol, maybe you should have read the rest of the passage you quoted I did read the entire thing, I also read the study in which the researchers were CLEARLY biased in their testing. Just because an article says a study was presented does not mean the ATS accepted said study as factual findings. I'd also like to note that I had to dig around for the study myself, as the marijuana facts page does not cite it. Probably because anyone who clicks the link and reads the study would realize how full of shit it was.
Care to enumerate why this study was biased and full of shit?
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On September 15 2010 10:38 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 10:21 itzbrandnew wrote:From a PRO marijuana website. http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/"Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers." So if your problem is that it's something unhealthy you don't want in your life, you may feel justified. However, by your own admission she doesn't smoke that often and I haven't seen a study showing health issues relating to sporadic marijuana usage. Edit: I've grown up around cigarette smoke... maybe that makes it smell less awful or something, because to me they're both awful Edit 2: The whole marijuana argument comes down to personal freedom imo. Does your marijuana smoking harm others? (Other than a bad smell) I don't believe it does. Does marijuana put you at an unacceptably high risk? I don't believe it does, at the very least it's on par with alcohol (if not under it) Edit 3: Personal testimony from an anonymous internet user claiming to have gotten emphysema from near daily smoking of marijuana. http://www.marijuana.com/medicinal-marijuana/112018-6-yr-daily-smoker-diagnosed-emphysema-age-23-a.htmlTo point out what emphysema is to those believing it is limited to smoking cigs... Emphysema is a serious lung disease where the alveoli and the narrow passages leading to these air sacs become permanently swollen air. Emphysema is not caused by smoking. But the smoking burns the tissue in the lungs so that the cells are dying faster than the body is able to replace them with new cells. So ANY smoking increases the risk of emphysema. Keep yourselves aware of ALL risks before trying any drugs people. Now, if you deem the risk sufficiently low, then go for it, that's a personal decision I feel you should be allowed to make. I couldn't let misinformation be propagated in this thread, though, sorry for the derail. From wikipedia: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bKkP4.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Hnzek.jpg)
You linked to wikipedia. Good job failing ANY academic research paper.
At this point you're arguing semantics. I understand your point, but what you lack the education in is that emphysema isn't a by-product of smoking.
Once again emphysema is...
A disease that damages the air sacs and/or the smallest breathing tubes in the lungs. As the lungs lose elasticity, similar to an overused rubber band, the affected areas become enlarged.
Smoking kills the cells causing them to regenerate at a slower rate. What smoking does is accelerate the process. We're arguing whether acceleration of this process constitutes cause of the process. You may be right, but in my mind acceleration is not cause.
Regardless, in the best of scenarios you have proven a small statement wrong, and in the process further proven the danger of marijuana.
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On September 15 2010 10:40 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 10:33 itzbrandnew wrote:On September 15 2010 10:27 sob3k wrote:
EDIT: lol, maybe you should have read the rest of the passage you quoted I did read the entire thing, I also read the study in which the researchers were CLEARLY biased in their testing. Just because an article says a study was presented does not mean the ATS accepted said study as factual findings. I'd also like to note that I had to dig around for the study myself, as the marijuana facts page does not cite it. Probably because anyone who clicks the link and reads the study would realize how full of shit it was. Care to enumerate why this study was biased and full of shit?
Give me a day and I'll bump this with the study itself. I've done research on marijuana usage in the past because I like to be informed about my voting decisions. I had to go through my school's research paper department to get access to the study.
From memory, the study was funded by a pro-marijuana activist group and the lead researcher used a medical marijuana center as his pool to gather data from.
Edit: I'd like to point out that in all fairness, being funded by a pro-marijuana group isn't BAD per se. But when every study that comes out leans towards the funding group's philosophy...
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I would talk to her about and try to come to a consensus. Tell her it bothers you, so if she wants to do it to keep her distance or shower before she goes near you. She'll make the decision to either retrain from smoking it or to keep her distance. It may change to the other given time, but if this relationship is as serious as you say I can't see her not choosing either one of them.
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My post had nothing to do with the effects on one's health that marijuana causes. Take the argument elsewhere.
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On September 15 2010 10:49 itzbrandnew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 10:38 sob3k wrote:On September 15 2010 10:21 itzbrandnew wrote:From a PRO marijuana website. http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/"Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers." So if your problem is that it's something unhealthy you don't want in your life, you may feel justified. However, by your own admission she doesn't smoke that often and I haven't seen a study showing health issues relating to sporadic marijuana usage. Edit: I've grown up around cigarette smoke... maybe that makes it smell less awful or something, because to me they're both awful Edit 2: The whole marijuana argument comes down to personal freedom imo. Does your marijuana smoking harm others? (Other than a bad smell) I don't believe it does. Does marijuana put you at an unacceptably high risk? I don't believe it does, at the very least it's on par with alcohol (if not under it) Edit 3: Personal testimony from an anonymous internet user claiming to have gotten emphysema from near daily smoking of marijuana. http://www.marijuana.com/medicinal-marijuana/112018-6-yr-daily-smoker-diagnosed-emphysema-age-23-a.htmlTo point out what emphysema is to those believing it is limited to smoking cigs... Emphysema is a serious lung disease where the alveoli and the narrow passages leading to these air sacs become permanently swollen air. Emphysema is not caused by smoking. But the smoking burns the tissue in the lungs so that the cells are dying faster than the body is able to replace them with new cells. So ANY smoking increases the risk of emphysema. Keep yourselves aware of ALL risks before trying any drugs people. Now, if you deem the risk sufficiently low, then go for it, that's a personal decision I feel you should be allowed to make. I couldn't let misinformation be propagated in this thread, though, sorry for the derail. From wikipedia: You linked to wikipedia. Good job failing ANY academic research paper. At this point you're arguing semantics. I understand your point, but what you lack the education in is that emphysema isn't a by-product of smoking. Once again emphysema is... A disease that damages the air sacs and/or the smallest breathing tubes in the lungs. As the lungs lose elasticity, similar to an overused rubber band, the affected areas become enlarged. Smoking kills the cells causing them to regenerate at a slower rate. What smoking does is accelerate the process. We're arguing whether acceleration of this process constitutes cause of the process. You may be right, but in my mind acceleration is not cause. Regardless, in the best of scenarios you have proven a small statement wrong, and in the process further proven the danger of marijuana.
ok, your definition of cause and disease is pretty nonsensical.
By this definition you could say that being stabbed in the heart is not really the CAUSE of death, as the heart naturally over time weakens and loses structural integrity, the stabbing only accelerates this process....
On September 15 2010 10:40 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 10:33 itzbrandnew wrote:On September 15 2010 10:27 sob3k wrote:
EDIT: lol, maybe you should have read the rest of the passage you quoted I did read the entire thing, I also read the study in which the researchers were CLEARLY biased in their testing. Just because an article says a study was presented does not mean the ATS accepted said study as factual findings. I'd also like to note that I had to dig around for the study myself, as the marijuana facts page does not cite it. Probably because anyone who clicks the link and reads the study would realize how full of shit it was. Care to enumerate why this study was biased and full of shit?
Are you going to address this, you made pretty serious claims about the validity of the largest study ever done on cancer and Marijuana usage, do you have anything to back them up?
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"I feel stupid this is even a problem."
Pretty much sums it up, you should. You have a girl that likes you very much and choose to be down about some random petty thing.
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On September 15 2010 10:56 sob3k wrote:
Are you going to address this, you made pretty serious claims about the validity of the largest study ever done on cancer and Marijuana usage, do you have anything to back them up?
PMs. Sorry for shitting up your thread OP
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You should talk with her about it like grown ups. If you can't do it, you can't expect a long relation with this girl, things not said slowly build up and eventualy poison the relation.
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On September 15 2010 10:52 itzbrandnew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 10:40 sob3k wrote:On September 15 2010 10:33 itzbrandnew wrote:On September 15 2010 10:27 sob3k wrote:
EDIT: lol, maybe you should have read the rest of the passage you quoted I did read the entire thing, I also read the study in which the researchers were CLEARLY biased in their testing. Just because an article says a study was presented does not mean the ATS accepted said study as factual findings. I'd also like to note that I had to dig around for the study myself, as the marijuana facts page does not cite it. Probably because anyone who clicks the link and reads the study would realize how full of shit it was. Care to enumerate why this study was biased and full of shit? Give me a day and I'll bump this with the study itself. I've done research on marijuana usage in the past because I like to be informed about my voting decisions. I had to go through my school's research paper department to get access to the study. From memory, the study was funded by a pro-marijuana activist group and the lead researcher used a medical marijuana center as his pool to gather data from. Edit: I'd like to point out that in all fairness, being funded by a pro-marijuana group isn't BAD per se. But when every study that comes out leans towards the funding group's philosophy...
Ok, cool, I'd love to see it.
It seems obvious that the data would come from a medical marijuana system, as any data drawn from illegal usage is sure to be extremely unreliable and extremely difficult to collect. I have only done cursory investigation of the study, it seemed pretty legitimate to me, not to mention that the lead on the study has in the past produced several studies used by drug enforcement agencies as evidence of the danger of marijuana (such as this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224), so he's not some hippy mouthpiece.
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this thread has been derailed talk to the guy that made the blog! stop arguing about weed..
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We ARE talking about how weed's affecting how he feels about being around her. I say talk to her, and have her either shower after using the bong, or stay in places where the smoke and smell don't bother each other so much.
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ok, OP, get over it
You acknowledge your dislike is illogical, thus it is not her responsibility to acquiesce to your admittedly dumb prejudices. If you cannot deal with her small marijuana usage then it sucks for you, but it IS your job to get over it.
We all do things that we know are stupid and make no sense, it is far better to work on fixing these things than trying to force other people to live in our fantasies.
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On September 15 2010 10:03 mOnion wrote:
honestly i think alcohol is worse than weed. you should get over it, and if you cant then leave.
comparing weed to cigs is ridic btw
Cigarettes are 10 times worse in terms of smell and health issues. Ive lost more people to cigarettes than marijuana, nobody dies from marijuana. I really find its weird that this comes up only when you move in. why werent you bothered by this earlier?
You should be grateful she aint any other kind of girl, cause girls who smoke are different from the ones that dont. But as ive had problems with people around me smoking weed so i know where you are coming from.
But i believe that if you are not ok with her smoking then you should think why are you with her then you will find out that you have much more to lose than to win if you leave her or decide not to move in yet.
In my opinion you are being a huge wuss about it and you should just brush it off and you are going to get diss hard. Girls can find a million things that bother them and you my friend are a man you are made to make girls crazy, you will most likely be schooled on how much stuff you do wrong and how you are much worse at keeping the place nice and tidy and a lot of other things that you do wrong. If she doesnt do that then she is not "wife" material, wives are supposed to show you how bad you are doing things....
To sum up, yeah you are stupid for making something like this a problem when a serious issue comes up then you will be feeling much more dumb about it.
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On September 15 2010 10:07 itzbrandnew wrote:Not to derail... but why? Both smell horrid
cigs smell like garbage but weed smells awesome actually.
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Tell her you can't stand the way it smells, and that she should quit or get a vaporizer so you don't have to smell it anymore?
Honestly I think you need to worry about more than the pot smell if you need to make a post on TL.net about this instead of just having the conversation with her.
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If it really bothers you that much, you should just tell her. Do you really want to spend your life with someone with a habit that you can't stand? If she isn't willing to let you reason with her about smoking marijuana, then she's putting weed over you, which means.. well...
(Maybe you quitting your drinking might set an example  )
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It's irrational but you should be able to talk about it with her. It sounds like there may not be a solution - it's something you don't like but it's something she likes. She shouldn't have to change if you don't have a justifiable reason but that doesn't stop you from feeling the way you feel.
I'd like to say "man up bitch" or something but we've all had one thing like this. I'd bring it up once for a serious discussion, bring it as close to resolution as possible, and then I wouldn't bring it up again.
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I smoke weed everyday and I know my wife doesn't really like it. So everytime I smoked, I go to brush my teeth so I can talk / kiss without smelling bad.
I mean, according to your wall of text, you are only bothered by the smell, right ? So a good tooth brushing should do the job !
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Guys, dont u guys get the fuckin point? its not about health fuckin issues, god!
its about someone who doesnt like fuckin weed or smokers or watever... I can relate to u man! I grew up in a place where nobody around me ever did drugs, and if they did they d do it behind ppls back and no1 would ever know.
Now, I live in the States and everybody knows weed isnt that big of a deal, but at least for me it is... even though ive done it, I will not date a girl that smokes weed. It just bothers me in the back of my mind because I dont associate it with any good. I find it really really stupid and why do I have to accept a girl that smokes weed? If I really like her Ill tell her I dont like it and I couldnt take her serious cuz of it; so at that point its her choice to smoke or be with u. Its not that complicated, matter fact it bothers u so u need to tell her... u guys could be great friends if she chooses weed over u, she wouldnt be worth ur time if she chooses weed over u imo
You like people for who they are and what they do, u will never like her as much as u d want to because of the fact that she smokes weed, it makes total sense and u shouldnt feel stupid for feeling that way, It's you! its how u feel
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