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Insane Blitz with Terran

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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24813 Posts
August 21 2010 02:20 GMT
#1
For the past hour I was trying to get the insane blitz achievement using terran against protoss ai. I figured steps of war would be the best map due to the really short rush distance.

I did a 6 proxy fastest turbo reaper (or whatever it is called) found here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Turbo_Reaper_(vs._Protoss)#Fastest_Turbo_Reaper

The requirement is to beat the computer in under 5 minutes. I thought this meant 5 game-minutes so I turned the speed down to slowest and played a few times to optimize my build, scv send timing for bunker/etc, and the like. At first I got 5:10 and then 5:13. Finally I got 4:47 (computer is a bitch about typing out even when it's lost lol). But even after that good run I didn't get the achievement.

I turned the speed up to fastest and did it again. I screwed up some micro and lost a reaper (it's much more difficult after all and it was my first attempt on fastest) but still won after 5:48. It gave me the achievement (and all the similar achievements for lower level AI's).

I'm guessing you need to beat it in 5 real life seconds rather than 5 game seconds, and that fastest speed counts faster than real time. If I had known that I wouldn't have screwed around on slowest. Well, at least I have a respectable record of 4:47.

I challenge anyone who wants to to play tvp vs insane ai on steps of war, and get your best time. Here's my replay:

http://www.mediafire.com/?0y24m53z11v4499

Post yours if you beat my record.


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ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
August 21 2010 02:36 GMT
#2
Does it have to be Steppes? I averaged 4 minutes flat on Agria when doing my Terran AI Romp 100. Zerg/Protoss games were always under 3m5s unless the computer was being bitchy and didn't want to GG.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24813 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 02:46:01
August 21 2010 02:45 GMT
#3
I'm interested to see how fast you can get it on other maps although for the purposes of comparison/competition steps is necessary since that's the one I played on :p

edit: working on the insane 8 comp ffa right now...

first game tried playing on megaton... I managed to clear my half but the terran from the other side of the map caught me out of position and took me out ._.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
August 21 2010 02:53 GMT
#4
I think the reaper rush would be faster on Incineration Zone.

For the insane ffa achievement, if you want to get it really easily just play on Extinction as terran, make all the AI zerg, and lift to an island at the start and mass battlecruisers / ravens. Expand to the other island and high ground areas blocked off by destructible rocks.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 21 2010 02:57 GMT
#5
I thought this was gonna say Insane BlitzCrank

4:47 though i might try this and post back
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
August 21 2010 02:59 GMT
#6
On August 21 2010 11:53 Jyvblamo wrote:
I think the reaper rush would be faster on Incineration Zone.

For the insane ffa achievement, if you want to get it really easily just play on Extinction as terran, make all the AI zerg, and lift to an island at the start and mass battlecruisers / ravens. Expand to the other island and high ground areas blocked off by destructible rocks.

It's actually easier to do this on Lava Flow because there are 2 expos on each island. Just count the GGs and when the second to last AI GGs, hit the last AI with all of your BCs.
Uff Da
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 03:03:37
August 21 2010 03:02 GMT
#7
Does it have to be a ladder map? I've been able to get 4:30 (I think that was it, I'll have to double check) cannon rushing on Agria Valley.

Edit: Oh, sorry. didn't see the tvp on steppes part. I'll get right on that
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FiBsTeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States415 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 04:01:16
August 21 2010 03:46 GMT
#8
BBS gets a marine in a bunker next to the nexus before the first zealot. For Steppes, make 1 scv for a total of 7 on minerals, rally the next 2 scvs to the enemy, then make 1 more to mine. Make both rax ON TOP of the ramp at 10/11 then supply at home at 10/11. When the first rax is done make a marine and a bunker right next to the nexus. If you put the rax above the ramp, the probes won't panic and kill your SCV (I don't know why this is but it's true). Then just pump 2 rax rine and have the SCVs attack the nex to lure the probes to the bunker. I'm not at my computer but I think this is faster than 4 minutes... replay tomorrow night though, I promise.

EDIT: Nvm I woke my lazy ass up, I'm gonna post a rep soon before someone steals my build. :o
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24813 Posts
August 21 2010 03:52 GMT
#9
On August 21 2010 11:53 Jyvblamo wrote:
I think the reaper rush would be faster on Incineration Zone.

For the insane ffa achievement, if you want to get it really easily just play on Extinction as terran, make all the AI zerg, and lift to an island at the start and mass battlecruisers / ravens. Expand to the other island and high ground areas blocked off by destructible rocks.

Thanks I just finished the ffa. I got down to the last opponent and moved out with my BCs.... I was hunting down hatcheries for another half hour I swear rofl.... it was refugee zerg!
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
FiBsTeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States415 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 04:06:11
August 21 2010 04:00 GMT
#10
4 minutes 18 seconds:

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/803

EDIT:

4 minutes 4 seconds: (cut 1 scv from the build)

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/804

I'm pretty sure I've done it faster before... meh back to bed.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24813 Posts
August 21 2010 04:10 GMT
#11
On August 21 2010 13:00 FiBsTeR wrote:
4 minutes 18 seconds:

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/803

EDIT:

4 minutes 4 seconds: (cut 1 scv from the build)

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/804

I'm pretty sure I've done it faster before... meh back to bed.

Nice! That definitely seems faster than the reaper rush. Do you know why the scvs didn't start attacking the bunker building scv? That's what seemed to happen to me most of the time.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
FiBsTeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States415 Posts
August 21 2010 04:14 GMT
#12
All I know is if you build your rax on top of the ramp they don't chase you. You can even build the rax below and float on other maps as long as the rax lands before you bunker.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
August 21 2010 05:58 GMT
#13
This topic discusses a lot of strategies to beat the majority of the AI challenges http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=135459

On August 21 2010 13:10 micronesia wrote:
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On August 21 2010 13:00 FiBsTeR wrote:
4 minutes 18 seconds:

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/803

EDIT:

4 minutes 4 seconds: (cut 1 scv from the build)

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/804

I'm pretty sure I've done it faster before... meh back to bed.

Nice! That definitely seems faster than the reaper rush. Do you know why the scvs didn't start attacking the bunker building scv? That's what seemed to happen to me most of the time.

From my experience with insane ai, workers only attack your bunkers/cannons/etc if they're close enough to their buildings to pose a threat.
deathserv
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States228 Posts
September 12 2010 20:47 GMT
#14
On August 21 2010 13:00 FiBsTeR wrote:
4 minutes 18 seconds:

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/803

EDIT:

4 minutes 4 seconds: (cut 1 scv from the build)

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/804

I'm pretty sure I've done it faster before... meh back to bed.


This build worked perfectly, and it didn't require any epic Terran micro to pull off. Thanks!
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
September 30 2010 00:25 GMT
#15
On September 13 2010 05:47 deathserv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 13:00 FiBsTeR wrote:
4 minutes 18 seconds:

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/803

EDIT:

4 minutes 4 seconds: (cut 1 scv from the build)

http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/804

I'm pretty sure I've done it faster before... meh back to bed.


This build worked perfectly, and it didn't require any epic Terran micro to pull off. Thanks!

hmm can't seem to get this method to work. if i try the same building placements as the replay i'm getting mauled by workers. i can put down my BB below the ramp, but there's no way i can get the bunker down
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24813 Posts
September 30 2010 00:38 GMT
#16
Is it possible that a patch has affected the way the AI responds? Either that or maybe you aren't quite copying it right? I haven't tried recently.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
September 30 2010 00:45 GMT
#17
On September 30 2010 09:38 micronesia wrote:
Is it possible that a patch has affected the way the AI responds? Either that or maybe you aren't quite copying it right? I haven't tried recently.

i have a feeling the new patch is affecting it. it also made cannon rushing for the 1v4 achievement on megaton a lot harder. also it makes reaper a lot less viable.

anyways, i just got the achievement anyways using 6 pool + spine crawler for zvz
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
September 30 2010 02:23 GMT
#18
I haven't tried it myself but I heard that the AI HAAAAAAATES cannons/bunkers/spines now.
FiBsTeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States415 Posts
September 30 2010 07:15 GMT
#19
Yeah I think the AI maphax now, so if you didn't get the achievements you wanted before, you probably won't get em so easily now.

On a lighter note, this build can still get you to 1200+ rank diamond TvT, TvP, even with the bunker nerf. Thumb down 4p maps gogogo!~
heinzb
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia3 Posts
November 01 2010 01:04 GMT
#20
I think with the new build requiring a depot before bunker, it makes terran very difficult.

On the latest patches 1.1.2.16755 I used the Protoss Cannon Rush against Terran and completed Insane in 4:27 on Agria Valley.
9th Probe - send him to enemy on the low ground as close to minerals line as possible - build pylon
train 10th probe
build forge in pylon well clear to give you room.
build 2 cannons on the low ground 1 either side of pylon
wait... you need to time your probe to run to the high ground behind the gas so he arrives just after your cannons complete...
his marines will attack you but just run past
lay down 2 cannons to the minerals side of the gas. dont block yourself in.. then asap - put a pylon behind his mineral line and then when thats done - put two well place cannons..
once they complete, terran should GG.
Against Protoss - they dont GG until you've pretty much killed everything..
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