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People need to go back to WoW, and learn that SC is much tougher.  Just because you play the  Game for 15 hours a Day, doesn't mean that you're going to be #1 with top tier macro, and Sexy micro. I'm sick of hearing all these people saying OP after every time they lose.
You need to understand that zerg is a great race. I am top 100 in my league, and I play zerg. The Only ReasoN why people are so good with toss and terran is that people play with those 2 races the most in the campaign. If zerg was in the campaign, then people would be saying zerg is op all the time.
  
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The most interesting part of your blog was clicking on the liquipedia pages for all the different players.
For the purpose of not getting banned, I would like to say that while the bronze level distribution might be changed, I think most people will just choose what seems most interesting to them. I somehow doubt that the campaign content had any serious effect on IdrA/Artosis/Dimaga's opinion of balance.
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Possible (poor) troll attempt? In any case, 1/5
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I think idra/artosis/dimaga's opinion of balance were just like in sc1. Idra chose terran, because of slayers_'boxer' and assen. Everyone knows that. Artosis changed races, because of the beta, before the game was even out, and dimaga wanted to micro more. Don't you think it's weird when people complain about how imbalanced zvz is? You start with the same workers and same hatch. It's balanced.
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T he only thing i have to say is that Zerg is OP! I seriously cant even compete with them. They are Really good. I'm a 600+ point Diamond Protoss, and my PvT and PvP are my best. The Zerg I verse Own. Everything I try to do just fails. I go 2 Gate, then I get RAPED by roaches, or banelings or
Lings. I'm thinking about switching to Zerg because I want to own just like them. I would freaking just Love to mass mutas and win. What a freaking stupid game. It's so imbalanced.
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I don't think an incendiary post to tell people to go back to WoW will work on a forum where everyone plays SC. I mean, why make a blog about the number of people who QQ about races being OP just so you can add to the number of such posts?
In SC1 and SC:BW all three races were in the campaigns. But especially in vanilla StarCraft, the races were not at all "balanced" upon release. I'm not going to go into the balance stuff, since this has been discussed over and over on these forums. However, the campaign content of SC1 did not change the myriads of "imba"s that existed upon release. Oddly enough I remember that in the Zerg campaign's first mission, even if your version is patched to have 200 min spawning pools, Daggoth will still tell you to build your pool when you get 150 mins. And I'm pretty sure 150 min spawning pools were responsible for lots of complaints about imbalance early in SC history, despite the relative unimportance to the campaign. Campaign and multiplayer are not related in the balance discussion.
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Yeah, toss plays in the dark once the roaches/ling come out. It's like you have to make some big guess about what tech the zerg is going. They'll probably patch it soon. Just stick with the toss, and you'll be good once they patch it.
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When the pool was 150 mins, you didn't hear boxer complaining to yellow. I think i heard more people whine about how the terrans could wall. "OMG the rush won't work. Terran is too good, because they can wall their ramp."
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On August 17 2010 11:10 KeKeZergRush wrote:
Yeah, toss plays in the dark once the roaches/ling come out. It's like you have to make some big guess about what tech the zerg is going. They'll probably patch it soon. Just stick with the toss, and you'll be good once they patch it.
this doesnt seem like something they would patch out...try out some HALLUCINATED PHOENIX! they are insanely useful for scouting
or if your going robo tech (lololololol....ive been moving farther and farther from robo in all mu except PvP bc its insanely hard to rebuild) just grab an obs
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On August 17 2010 11:16 unit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 11:10 KeKeZergRush wrote:
Yeah, toss plays in the dark once the roaches/ling come out. It's like you have to make some big guess about what tech the zerg is going. They'll probably patch it soon. Just stick with the toss, and you'll be good once they patch it. this doesnt seem like something they would patch out...try out some HALLUCINATED PHOENIX! they are insanely useful for scouting or if your going robo tech (lololololol....ive been moving farther and farther from robo in all mu except PvP bc its insanely hard to rebuild) just grab an obs
Hey,
I know you from iccup 
What's your sc2 ID#?
If you scout like that, then it puts you way behind though. Zerg has so many options to counter it. I just make mutas, and use the moving shot.
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This guy knows what the hell he's talking about, Zerg is the Sentinel of this game.
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On August 17 2010 11:14 KeKeZergRush wrote:
When the pool was 150 mins, you didn't hear boxer complaining to yellow. I think i heard more people whine about how the terrans could wall. "OMG the rush won't work. Terran is too good, because they can wall their ramp."
Yeah you're right. Boxer is that much of a man. On the other hand though, all the low level banter about zergling rushes pretty much CREATED the zerg rush meme. Also, i don't think most terran wall-ins on old school maps were ling proof back then. It wasn't until Boxer started doing really well did people find terran to be viable and subsequently good in multiplayer. And, the Terran OP talk in SC2 is a similar phenomenon here imo. It may very well pass w/ expansions or a shift in map balance or the metagame.
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This really doesn't explain why zerg was bad in later stages of beta too. And how does playing campaign help that much? It doesn't. And as I said, it does NOT explain zerg's bad performance in beta
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What about when roaches cost just 1 unit count and healed faster than medics heal when burrowed? If you call that bad performance, then you deserve to be in wood league.
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On August 17 2010 10:54 KeKeZergRush wrote:
If zerg was in the campaign, then people would be saying zerg is op all the time.
That's not even a kind-of-good attempt at logic. It's a completely fallacious line of thought.
Protoss is in the campaign, yet all the OP threads seem to be solely about Terran. It's just that damn irrelevant.
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Thank you for your insight, a thousand posts from now you'll probably look back on this and laugh
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On August 17 2010 11:51 n.DieJokes wrote:
Thank you for your insight, a thousand posts from now you'll probably look back on this and laugh
no need to wait for a thousand posts, I laugh right now. Good lord
"this is op"
I think I'm gonna use this in rl from now on
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People complain about toss being op. Look at how fast void rays shields regenerate. Toss regenerates shields quicker than zerg regenerates health, and yet toss moves faster than zerg, builds units faster, and yet people who play toss just say terran is op, because their units are slowed by marauders and they can't fight.
I just say to them, learn to use psi storm.
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Why did you TLPD-ize the entire post?
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The Only ReasoN why people are so good with toss and terran is that people play with those 2 races the most in the campaign. If zerg was in the campaign, then people would be saying zerg is op all the time.
I'm confused now.... Is he serious?
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On August 17 2010 12:06 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +The Only ReasoN why people are so good with toss and terran is that people play with those 2 races the most in the campaign. If zerg was in the campaign, then people would be saying zerg is op all the time. I'm confused now.... Is he serious?
You're asking me if i'm serious, when the best in your country used to brag and post reps of him beating people like arrang and [[race]]zzang. Don't know where the reps are now, probably because you can detect when people are using map hacks.
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On August 17 2010 12:06 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +The Only ReasoN why people are so good with toss and terran is that people play with those 2 races the most in the campaign. If zerg was in the campaign, then people would be saying zerg is op all the time. I'm confused now.... Is he serious?
His name and his tlpding a whole post didn't give it away?
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On August 17 2010 10:54 KeKeZergRush wrote:People need to go back to WoW, and learn that SC is much tougher. Just because you play the Game for 15 hours a Day, doesn't mean that you're going to be #1 with top tier macro, and Sexy micro. I'm sick of hearing all these people saying OP after every time they lose. You need to understand that zerg is a great race. I am top 100 in my league, and I play zerg. The Only ReasoN why people are so good with toss and terran is that people play with those 2 races the most in the campaign. If zerg was in the campaign, then people would be saying zerg is op all the time.
People actually have this attitude? It's not WoW players saying that zerg is underpowered, it's a significant number of top players including dimaga, sheth, and idra from the top of my head. WTF at your point about zerg being underpowered because they aren't in the campaign. Single player fun has nothing to do with multiplayer balance.
Top 100 in your league? Wow, impressive. Except I assume that league isn't diamond judging by your post because any top 100 diamond zerg player WOULD say that there is something fundamentally wrong with the TvZ matchup.
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I'm in diamond, and if you want to 1v1 me, i'm kekezergrush.330. I'll show ya how it's balanced. Idra said carriers were imba in bw too.
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On August 17 2010 11:10 KeKeZergRush wrote:
Yeah, toss plays in the dark once the roaches/ling come out. It's like you have to make some big guess about what tech the zerg is going. They'll probably patch it soon. Just stick with the toss, and you'll be good once they patch it.
um, observers? they are like protoss maphacks.
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On August 17 2010 13:03 KeKeZergRush wrote:
I'm in diamond, and if you want to 1v1 me, i'm kekezergrush.330. I'll show ya how it's balanced. Idra said carriers were imba in bw too.
Ah... so when you said top 100 in your diamond league, what you actually meant was top 100 in your division... rank 100/100 in your division to be exact -_-
http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1596324/KeKeZergRush
I have no interest in 1v1ing you, as that wouldn't ever have proved anything anyway. Daresay I call this a troll attempt? If I remember the analogy correctly he is the fishing boat and I am caught on the fishing lines being pulled along for the ride.
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I think you're dodging, because you're probably in the plastic wrap league.
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KekeZergRush is right haha if you dont know what he's talking about then are probably a terrible player.
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Im all for stopping the imba whine but this is just terrible logic lol
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On August 17 2010 13:47 Tabbris wrote:
Im all for stopping the imba whine but this is just terrible logic lol
Perhaps you're too used to playing D and D- players to get to your C-. With a better attitude, you'd see zerg is far better than other races, if you'd take the time to learn how to play.
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So many retards flooding to the site with the release of SC2. ;; Plz think before you post, you'll find your TL stay much more enjoyable.
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On August 17 2010 12:44 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2010 12:06 Djzapz wrote:The Only ReasoN why people are so good with toss and terran is that people play with those 2 races the most in the campaign. If zerg was in the campaign, then people would be saying zerg is op all the time. I'm confused now.... Is he serious? His name and his tlpding a whole post didn't give it away?
I guess I was being a bit slow ^^
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On August 18 2010 01:10 Lucktar wrote:
So many retards flooding to the site with the release of SC2. ;; Plz think before you post, you'll find your TL stay much more enjoyable.
I bet you were a 1a2a3a toss, who thought that C was a high rank in iccup. I'm pretty sure that you're 1a terran micro is good too. I guess people call these races op, because they are too newb to know how to beat a 1a attack.
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Do the Waltons take to long to say good night. Does Elmer Fudd have trouble with the letter 'R'.
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Zerg is actually good. Then again, most people I see only go bling, or try for muta harrass. Which in terms of it. Those vs any reasonable player will not work. Zerg requires the player to know its race inside and out know what options they have.
This is true vs Terran. Given Terran is rather strong and at times CAN be OP. It depends on the opponent. SC is a reaction based game. If you scout and know your race what it is capable of then you are in a much better stand point than that of your opponent, not knowing what they are doing.
First and foremost; people who play zerg. They forget the main thing about zerg. It is a swarm, that is designed by nature to act as such with surprize attacks and catching its prey off guard. Case in point? Roach burrowed movment. Infestor burrowed spawn infested terran.
Secondly; we all know that muta's get owned by thors. Now; a proper zerg will go with muta to counter certain things; though most do not get the support units or think outside the box. They just cry imba T or whatever it is.
Third. Learn your damned race. Understand its fundementals and the abilities it has at hand. Burrow / spawn creep / nydus / overseerer / gosh just about all of the zerg units have abilities that make them more useful than other races. Though they are weaker because its all Bio / Armored Bio. Use the unit right? It can be overpowered...........
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For 175mins 125 gas, you can kill all the rines practically in an mmm ball. You know how good it is if you have spare mutas from your harrass. It completely stops their counter, and allows you to get broodlords/ultras
I'm sick of all the whiney zergs out there. Just hurry up and change your race.
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Why would somebody want to play a race they don't play in the campaign anyway?
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Personally, I only play campaign, and to me the zerg seems pretty OP. I mean, I can't even beat the third story mission on Hard!
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On August 17 2010 10:54 KeKeZergRush wrote: I am top 100 in my league
My favorite part.
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wanted to 1/5
but the post is totally liquidize
so i gave it a 3/5 :/
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Can't decide if this is -1/5 or 10/5 troll. Does that mean successful troll was successful?
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Rubiks cubes are op... they distract you away from your game. Nerf the obsession to solve to! D:
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On August 23 2010 06:51 MrBitter wrote:My favorite part.
i missed this, too used to sc2ranks. :p
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OP, do you really think the top 200 players in US and EU didn't play Beta? Do you really think they bought SCII and played campaign and then went "WOWZORS i must play Terran now!"?
That's absurd good sir. Why are there only 4 Zerg in the top 20 in US and only 3 Zerg in the top 20 in EU for several weeks in a row now?
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Because all the good players picked toss and terran in bw. Now that they're learning zerg, they can't use them. Everyone knew that in bw toss was the easy race, and terran was just sim city up until B+ with terran.
The koreans are still good with zerg, and the pro koreans haven't even moved over yet.
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