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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 04 2010 20:26 GMT
#1
During phase 2 of SC2 beta, I noticed a huge jump in skill in the entire community. I ran into less C- noobs that could only do one BO and kept losing vs C- people that knew what they were doing.

Now that SC2 has come out, every single person in the C range plays like a B. I'm feeling really left out here cause I can't play as much anymore and all my 'friends' moved to SC2.

Every time I go for an FE in any MU, I get (c)rushed by something cute. I end up losing too much defending it and I end up losing in the midgame.

It might be because of my inability to do a real push in TvP.
It may be because I'm too greedy whenever I see a zerg cut sunkens (and end up getting overrun by zerglings instead).
It may be because I don't react properly in TvT and end up getting rolled.
It may be because of karma when I finally got C with a crappy record of 41-30, only to drop down to C- with a record of 41-35.

To think I was going to write a TvT guide...

Owning people on ICC makes a nerd feel good, but getting owned is a real eye opening experience...

It's not even getting owned as in "oh he just did a 3gate thing and killed my siege tanks." It's just getting outplayed in general. I scout more, but he scouts better than I do. I try to macro harder, but he out macros me. I focus on something, but he just does it better.

Holy crap ICC got a lot tougher...

end rant.

If anyone wants to play, pm me here so i'll log on to icc. Currently eating a box of ice cream...

***
im deaf
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
August 04 2010 20:27 GMT
#2
Yes its very hard to play on iccup..I find myself playing less BW and just watching it now.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
August 04 2010 20:30 GMT
#3
Same thing happened to me. I was trying to get to C a few days before the game came out and even then the skill level was higher than what I felt like it was before.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 20:32:19
August 04 2010 20:31 GMT
#4
i've actually been finding it easier this season than the past seasons

edit: i guess this is because my APM has gone up about 40
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 04 2010 20:34 GMT
#5
lol my apm went up about 30, and I still get owned
im deaf
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 04 2010 20:36 GMT
#6
Yep I was finally hanging in the mid D+. SC2 comes out and I'm hammered into mid D. My apm has gone up about 20 as well as I feel like things are really smoothing out. Many players I play though are like, C or more if you check their profiles. I like playing against hard opponents because it's sort of like over training, but sometimes it's just overwhelming
Each day gets better : )
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 20:38:30
August 04 2010 20:36 GMT
#7
After beta ended I started over as toss, playing nearly all pvp's and pvt's, and it has been hard as hell. I was never a good zerg before, but the new challenge has been exactly what I wanted, and trying to learn a new race is always interesting.
As for smurfs, it's the best when some korean joins your game and has 1100 points with a 1-0 win/loss. They could be at any level, and it seems like half the time it's A- terrans lol'ing at my 12 nex while raping my entire family.
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 04 2010 20:36 GMT
#8
skill level isn't higher, it's just that there are way less newbs to inflate the ranks of people :p
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
August 04 2010 20:37 GMT
#9
I don't understand this at all, i play iccup and people are still around the same level.. D Rank players are still terrible and there's nothing new
You can't fight the feeling.
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
August 04 2010 20:40 GMT
#10
my apm went up 50 (nospam man) and my rank went from C to C-
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 04 2010 20:42 GMT
#11
On August 05 2010 05:37 lokiM wrote:
I don't understand this at all, i play iccup and people are still around the same level.. D Rank players are still terrible and there's nothing new


I think the idea is that there is a skill inflation. The "casual" gamers went to SC2. So basically all the skill shifted up a bit. It's like a food chain, if all the small bugs die, it has wide reaching effects.
Each day gets better : )
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
August 04 2010 20:42 GMT
#12
Yes, might be harder than before to get a high rank. But why worry about your rank so much? It only tells about your skill relative to the other people playing atm. As long as you don't lose every single game, and find games relatively fast, I don't see what's so bad about this.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
August 04 2010 20:44 GMT
#13
Scout Scout Scout!

Lately when I've been playing SC I've been playing like it was fucking Halo, focusing on the minimap and looking at the screen in my peripheral whenever possible. Makes me get fucked by Reavers a lot less.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
August 04 2010 20:44 GMT
#14
My APM went up from about 120 to 160ish, and I've been having trouble hanging out at D+ where I'm comfortable. I think also that Iccup has become more difficult. A lot of players moved on, and a lot of the players still around are a lot more hardcore, I suppose
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 04 2010 20:44 GMT
#15
On August 05 2010 05:42 JohannesH wrote:
Yes, might be harder than before to get a high rank. But why worry about your rank so much? It only tells about your skill relative to the other people playing atm. As long as you don't lose every single game, and find games relatively fast, I don't see what's so bad about this.


im losing every single game without learning a thing =(.....which is the worst kind of loss
im deaf
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
August 04 2010 20:46 GMT
#16
On August 05 2010 05:42 ella_guru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 05:37 lokiM wrote:
I don't understand this at all, i play iccup and people are still around the same level.. D Rank players are still terrible and there's nothing new


I think the idea is that there is a skill inflation. The "casual" gamers went to SC2. So basically all the skill shifted up a bit. It's like a food chain, if all the small bugs die, it has wide reaching effects.

this still doesn't make any sense to me, there are less c/c+ players including people in ladder a-b, this doesn't mean more of those players are in the d ranks
I've played maybe 20 games in d ranks and i see no difference since the release of sc2
You can't fight the feeling.
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
August 04 2010 20:47 GMT
#17
I think that things didn't change really... However, since I am a higher rank I guess it doesn't affect me. I would just recommend watching your replays and reviewing mistakes, maybe your time in sc2 was more detrimental than you expected.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 04 2010 20:49 GMT
#18
On August 05 2010 05:46 lokiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 05:42 ella_guru wrote:
On August 05 2010 05:37 lokiM wrote:
I don't understand this at all, i play iccup and people are still around the same level.. D Rank players are still terrible and there's nothing new


I think the idea is that there is a skill inflation. The "casual" gamers went to SC2. So basically all the skill shifted up a bit. It's like a food chain, if all the small bugs die, it has wide reaching effects.

this still doesn't make any sense to me, there are less c/c+ players including people in ladder a-b, this doesn't mean more of those players are in the d ranks
I've played maybe 20 games in d ranks and i see no difference since the release of sc2


The suckier people left, the better people stayed behind. The crappier people in each level drops 1-2 ranks. Its really noticeable in the C ranks
im deaf
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 04 2010 20:56 GMT
#19
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Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
August 04 2010 20:58 GMT
#20
I agree with lokiM, haven't noticed any major difference in skill level this season as compared to others.
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