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On August 01 2010 10:07 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 09:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 09:15 BlackJack wrote:On August 01 2010 08:58 Laerties wrote:
What the hell? You don't see ppl in wheelchairs getting put down..... why the hell would you put down your dog because it has hip problems? Seems like the easy way out to me. Instead of working with your dog to give it the best life possible your going to kill her. Thats how I interpreted it. Human's can still do 90% of their daily activities in a wheelchair, a dog can't do anything without its legs. A better example would be comparing it to someone paralyzed from the neck down. This is the humane thing to do. A dog can still love you even if it cant run. It's like oh i cant play fetch with it, lets kill it. You're an asshole.:X Dog's don't have the psyche of a human. Dogs try to hide away all the pain because if they cry it makes them look weak (from their instinct point of view). My dog came home after a long surgery, I carried her home with the just made stitches and she wanted to get up continuously for 3 hours, even though she was drugged up from the surgery and weakened because she didn't ate much for it. When I asked the vet he told me about that. So even though the love may still have it's happy moments, it's still very hard say "he will live a normal life" in a wheelchair. A human has an intelligence to objectively analyze things and put other things aside. Animals don't work the same as we do, so we can't really put ourselves in their place. Deciding to put a pet down is a very hard decision, and it's not about "not wanting to have a crippled pet in home" but to save them from the pain. All that said, I don't know the details for this case, but it sounds pretty bad. I would talk to a vet to know how good / bad the situation could get.
You notice how you contradict yourself? First you describe how an animal feels and then you say we cant put ourself in their place.
Putting pet down is a decision you have no right to make. It is in no way in more sane then having sex with an animal. It's just something commonly accepted because it's more convenient than looking after a sick pet. Blaah, sick pets arent fun!
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On August 01 2010 09:49 lilsusie wrote:
Aww.. as a 9 month old puppy, not being able to run around and do mischievous puppy things is not the way she should be living. Even after surgeries and replacements, a dog wouldn't be the same =/
that's exactly the issue with all of you monsters.
Oh my toy wouldnt be the same, time for a new one.
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On August 01 2010 10:45 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 10:07 IntoTheWow wrote:On August 01 2010 09:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 09:15 BlackJack wrote:On August 01 2010 08:58 Laerties wrote:
What the hell? You don't see ppl in wheelchairs getting put down..... why the hell would you put down your dog because it has hip problems? Seems like the easy way out to me. Instead of working with your dog to give it the best life possible your going to kill her. Thats how I interpreted it. Human's can still do 90% of their daily activities in a wheelchair, a dog can't do anything without its legs. A better example would be comparing it to someone paralyzed from the neck down. This is the humane thing to do. A dog can still love you even if it cant run. It's like oh i cant play fetch with it, lets kill it. You're an asshole.:X Dog's don't have the psyche of a human. Dogs try to hide away all the pain because if they cry it makes them look weak (from their instinct point of view). My dog came home after a long surgery, I carried her home with the just made stitches and she wanted to get up continuously for 3 hours, even though she was drugged up from the surgery and weakened because she didn't ate much for it. When I asked the vet he told me about that. So even though the love may still have it's happy moments, it's still very hard say "he will live a normal life" in a wheelchair. A human has an intelligence to objectively analyze things and put other things aside. Animals don't work the same as we do, so we can't really put ourselves in their place. Deciding to put a pet down is a very hard decision, and it's not about "not wanting to have a crippled pet in home" but to save them from the pain. All that said, I don't know the details for this case, but it sounds pretty bad. I would talk to a vet to know how good / bad the situation could get. You notice how you contradict yourself? First you describe how an animal feels and then you say we cant put ourself in their place. Putting pet down is a decision you have no right to make. It is in no way in more sane then having sex with an animal. It's just something commonly accepted because it's more convenient than looking after a sick pet. Blaah, sick pets arent fun!
That's not a contradiction. The first is animal behavior study, the second phrase means we cannot put ourselves in a dogs place and think as humans to make decisions.
Also, try to remember where you are posting. You are not making this a better place by mocking people and using cheap attacks at people.
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OP I'm sorry to hear it. I'm almost glad I was spared this pain with our 17 year old dog when she was dognapped and died while escaping (my first blog post here I think)
On August 01 2010 09:29 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 09:15 BlackJack wrote:On August 01 2010 08:58 Laerties wrote:
What the hell? You don't see ppl in wheelchairs getting put down..... why the hell would you put down your dog because it has hip problems? Seems like the easy way out to me. Instead of working with your dog to give it the best life possible your going to kill her. Thats how I interpreted it. Human's can still do 90% of their daily activities in a wheelchair, a dog can't do anything without its legs. A better example would be comparing it to someone paralyzed from the neck down. This is the humane thing to do. A dog can still love you even if it cant run. It's like oh i cant play fetch with it, lets kill it. You're an asshole.:X
What a horrible post. Dogs live to run. If a dog is going to be in pain every day for the rest of its life, and unable to do what it was bred to do, what it longs to do, it is a selfish cruelty to keep it around. You would be the asshole for making it suffer to make yourself feel better
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On August 01 2010 10:47 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 10:45 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 10:07 IntoTheWow wrote:On August 01 2010 09:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 09:15 BlackJack wrote:On August 01 2010 08:58 Laerties wrote:
What the hell? You don't see ppl in wheelchairs getting put down..... why the hell would you put down your dog because it has hip problems? Seems like the easy way out to me. Instead of working with your dog to give it the best life possible your going to kill her. Thats how I interpreted it. Human's can still do 90% of their daily activities in a wheelchair, a dog can't do anything without its legs. A better example would be comparing it to someone paralyzed from the neck down. This is the humane thing to do. A dog can still love you even if it cant run. It's like oh i cant play fetch with it, lets kill it. You're an asshole.:X Dog's don't have the psyche of a human. Dogs try to hide away all the pain because if they cry it makes them look weak (from their instinct point of view). My dog came home after a long surgery, I carried her home with the just made stitches and she wanted to get up continuously for 3 hours, even though she was drugged up from the surgery and weakened because she didn't ate much for it. When I asked the vet he told me about that. So even though the love may still have it's happy moments, it's still very hard say "he will live a normal life" in a wheelchair. A human has an intelligence to objectively analyze things and put other things aside. Animals don't work the same as we do, so we can't really put ourselves in their place. Deciding to put a pet down is a very hard decision, and it's not about "not wanting to have a crippled pet in home" but to save them from the pain. All that said, I don't know the details for this case, but it sounds pretty bad. I would talk to a vet to know how good / bad the situation could get. You notice how you contradict yourself? First you describe how an animal feels and then you say we cant put ourself in their place. Putting pet down is a decision you have no right to make. It is in no way in more sane then having sex with an animal. It's just something commonly accepted because it's more convenient than looking after a sick pet. Blaah, sick pets arent fun! That's not a contradiction. The first is animal behavior study, the second phrase means we cannot put ourselves in a dogs place and think as humans to make decisions. Also, try to remember where you are posting. You are not making this a better place by mocking people and using cheap attacks at people.
No it is a contradiction. If you can't approach their thinking as a human, how do you know what is best for them. Now seriously, if your dog had a choice do you think it would choose to be put down, or spend its last days quietly? Weak animals would die in natural habitat and as a human you have a gift to prolong their life, and instead of utilizing this amazing gift you want to do the opposite? Murder it?
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That is sad. Having any kind of animal u own die is such a depressing time
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On August 01 2010 10:48 MamiyaOtaru wrote:OP I'm sorry to hear it. I'm almost glad I was spared this pain with our 17 year old dog when she was dognapped and died while escaping (my first blog post here I think) Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 09:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 09:15 BlackJack wrote:On August 01 2010 08:58 Laerties wrote:
What the hell? You don't see ppl in wheelchairs getting put down..... why the hell would you put down your dog because it has hip problems? Seems like the easy way out to me. Instead of working with your dog to give it the best life possible your going to kill her. Thats how I interpreted it. Human's can still do 90% of their daily activities in a wheelchair, a dog can't do anything without its legs. A better example would be comparing it to someone paralyzed from the neck down. This is the humane thing to do. A dog can still love you even if it cant run. It's like oh i cant play fetch with it, lets kill it. You're an asshole.:X What a horrible post. Dogs live to run. If a dog is going to be in pain every day for the rest of its life, and unable to do what it was bred to do, what it longs to do, it is a selfish cruelty to keep it around. You would be the asshole for making it suffer to make yourself feel better
Are you insane? Keep it around? I'm not keeping it around, i'm just not killing it. I don't have a God complex and i don't think i have the right to decide who dies and who lives.
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Thanks guys for all the encouragement, it helps. It's good to know most people agree with the choice (although of course some people will disagree) and not think it is a horrible decision.
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On August 01 2010 10:53 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 10:48 MamiyaOtaru wrote:OP I'm sorry to hear it. I'm almost glad I was spared this pain with our 17 year old dog when she was dognapped and died while escaping (my first blog post here I think) On August 01 2010 09:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 09:15 BlackJack wrote:On August 01 2010 08:58 Laerties wrote:
What the hell? You don't see ppl in wheelchairs getting put down..... why the hell would you put down your dog because it has hip problems? Seems like the easy way out to me. Instead of working with your dog to give it the best life possible your going to kill her. Thats how I interpreted it. Human's can still do 90% of their daily activities in a wheelchair, a dog can't do anything without its legs. A better example would be comparing it to someone paralyzed from the neck down. This is the humane thing to do. A dog can still love you even if it cant run. It's like oh i cant play fetch with it, lets kill it. You're an asshole.:X What a horrible post. Dogs live to run. If a dog is going to be in pain every day for the rest of its life, and unable to do what it was bred to do, what it longs to do, it is a selfish cruelty to keep it around. You would be the asshole for making it suffer to make yourself feel better Are you insane? Keep it around? I'm not keeping it around, i'm just not killing it. I don't have a God complex and i don't think i have the right to decide who dies and who lives.
Wait, first you accuse others of being 'monsters' that treat the animals as mere toys and discard these said 'toys' when they are inconvenient to take care of, then you later say that you wouldn't keep these fatally disabled animals around either and you are vindicated - because you didn't kill them! But you are still detaching any responsibility over such animals precisely for the same reasons - because they are inconvenient.
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On August 01 2010 11:02 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 10:53 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 10:48 MamiyaOtaru wrote:OP I'm sorry to hear it. I'm almost glad I was spared this pain with our 17 year old dog when she was dognapped and died while escaping (my first blog post here I think) On August 01 2010 09:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 09:15 BlackJack wrote:On August 01 2010 08:58 Laerties wrote:
What the hell? You don't see ppl in wheelchairs getting put down..... why the hell would you put down your dog because it has hip problems? Seems like the easy way out to me. Instead of working with your dog to give it the best life possible your going to kill her. Thats how I interpreted it. Human's can still do 90% of their daily activities in a wheelchair, a dog can't do anything without its legs. A better example would be comparing it to someone paralyzed from the neck down. This is the humane thing to do. A dog can still love you even if it cant run. It's like oh i cant play fetch with it, lets kill it. You're an asshole.:X What a horrible post. Dogs live to run. If a dog is going to be in pain every day for the rest of its life, and unable to do what it was bred to do, what it longs to do, it is a selfish cruelty to keep it around. You would be the asshole for making it suffer to make yourself feel better Are you insane? Keep it around? I'm not keeping it around, i'm just not killing it. I don't have a God complex and i don't think i have the right to decide who dies and who lives. Wait, first you accuse others of being 'monsters' that treat the animals as mere toys and discard these said 'toys' when they are inconvenient to take care of, then you later say that you wouldn't keep these fatally disabled animals around either and you are vindicated - because you didn't kill them! But you are still detaching any responsibility over such animals precisely for the same reasons - because they are inconvenient.
you misunderstood my post.
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On August 01 2010 10:47 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 09:49 lilsusie wrote:
Aww.. as a 9 month old puppy, not being able to run around and do mischievous puppy things is not the way she should be living. Even after surgeries and replacements, a dog wouldn't be the same =/
that's exactly the issue with all of you monsters. Oh my toy wouldnt be the same, time for a new one.
... A dog wouldn't be the same as in he wouldn't be able to run around freely and with the confidence that a dog should have.
You apparently know nothing of animal psychology and how dogs work. You cannot compare a human and a dog, the way we work is different. You cannot put a dog in a wheelchair all his life; you cannot keep a dog to his bed forever either. A dog needs to be free to run, dig, jump, scratch - all with their legs. You, sir, are the monster if you wish to keep your dog around while its in pain. It's not about the "omg I can't take care of a sick dog" but rather what is best for the dog. I suppose then one should just let the dog that is in pain out into the wild and have him get killed "naturally"? How is that any better than allowing him to die peacefully in the safety of a vet clinic?
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And also you guys are saying you would put down your dog because it was born to run and shit?
Did you not neuter your dog? Is it only born to run, but not to have sex? ? ? Why didnt you put it down immidiately after you neutered it? It was born to procreate wasnt it?
You guys are just too selfish to think about your pet and just do whatever is convenient for you.
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On August 01 2010 11:05 lilsusie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 10:47 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 09:49 lilsusie wrote:
Aww.. as a 9 month old puppy, not being able to run around and do mischievous puppy things is not the way she should be living. Even after surgeries and replacements, a dog wouldn't be the same =/
that's exactly the issue with all of you monsters. Oh my toy wouldnt be the same, time for a new one. ... A dog wouldn't be the same as in he wouldn't be able to run around freely and with the confidence that a dog should have. You apparently know nothing of animal psychology and how dogs work. You cannot compare a human and a dog, the way we work is different. You cannot put a dog in a wheelchair all his life; you cannot keep a dog to his bed forever either. A dog needs to be free to run, dig, jump, scratch - all with their legs. You, sir, are the monster if you wish to keep your dog around while its in pain. It's not about the "omg I can't take care of a sick dog" but rather what is best for the dog. I suppose then one should just let the dog that is in pain out into the wild and have him get killed "naturally"? How is that any better than allowing him to die peacefully in the safety of a vet clinic?
I covered all those points you made already.
And there are plenty of dogs who run around with those wheel carts attached and have decent life.
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On August 01 2010 09:10 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
yeah because his dog would totally be able to live in a wheelchair, if there even was such a thing for dogs. The dog can barely walk, its life is pretty much hell. If it were living in the wild it wouldnt last a day.
For me, life is life. But maybe you are right, killing your pet so that they dont hurt anymore, and so you dont have to see them and feel guilty, seems reasonable. They should do that with humans, too. I think my uncle should be put down due to his last stage lung cancer...
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On August 01 2010 11:05 lilsusie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 10:47 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 09:49 lilsusie wrote:
Aww.. as a 9 month old puppy, not being able to run around and do mischievous puppy things is not the way she should be living. Even after surgeries and replacements, a dog wouldn't be the same =/
that's exactly the issue with all of you monsters. Oh my toy wouldnt be the same, time for a new one. ... A dog wouldn't be the same as in he wouldn't be able to run around freely and with the confidence that a dog should have. You apparently know nothing of animal psychology and how dogs work. You cannot compare a human and a dog, the way we work is different. You cannot put a dog in a wheelchair all his life; you cannot keep a dog to his bed forever either. A dog needs to be free to run, dig, jump, scratch - all with their legs. You, sir, are the monster if you wish to keep your dog around while its in pain. It's not about the "omg I can't take care of a sick dog" but rather what is best for the dog. I suppose then one should just let the dog that is in pain out into the wild and have him get killed "naturally"? How is that any better than allowing him to die peacefully in the safety of a vet clinic?
Isn't the fact that we humans try to make an art out of the breeding of animals and our own inane stubbornness for purity of breeds the reason why there are such a high number of these genetically bottlenecked freaks that suffer from diseases that they surely would not be so easily susceptible to if they were left to breed naturally? Regardless of the ethical questions of whether killing an animal for such health problems is right or wrong, the fact is that the very reason that such a large number of these animals even exist falls right into our hands. We are guilty for their pains.
On August 01 2010 11:04 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2010 11:02 koreasilver wrote:On August 01 2010 10:53 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 10:48 MamiyaOtaru wrote:OP I'm sorry to hear it. I'm almost glad I was spared this pain with our 17 year old dog when she was dognapped and died while escaping (my first blog post here I think) On August 01 2010 09:29 Sfydjklm wrote:On August 01 2010 09:15 BlackJack wrote:On August 01 2010 08:58 Laerties wrote:
What the hell? You don't see ppl in wheelchairs getting put down..... why the hell would you put down your dog because it has hip problems? Seems like the easy way out to me. Instead of working with your dog to give it the best life possible your going to kill her. Thats how I interpreted it. Human's can still do 90% of their daily activities in a wheelchair, a dog can't do anything without its legs. A better example would be comparing it to someone paralyzed from the neck down. This is the humane thing to do. A dog can still love you even if it cant run. It's like oh i cant play fetch with it, lets kill it. You're an asshole.:X What a horrible post. Dogs live to run. If a dog is going to be in pain every day for the rest of its life, and unable to do what it was bred to do, what it longs to do, it is a selfish cruelty to keep it around. You would be the asshole for making it suffer to make yourself feel better Are you insane? Keep it around? I'm not keeping it around, i'm just not killing it. I don't have a God complex and i don't think i have the right to decide who dies and who lives. Wait, first you accuse others of being 'monsters' that treat the animals as mere toys and discard these said 'toys' when they are inconvenient to take care of, then you later say that you wouldn't keep these fatally disabled animals around either and you are vindicated - because you didn't kill them! But you are still detaching any responsibility over such animals precisely for the same reasons - because they are inconvenient. you misunderstood my post.
Then explain.
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If that's the way we're going to think of it, then all domesticated animals shouldn't exist, for it is not natural.
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It will be okay Mr. OP.
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And I do not really think they should. The specialized breeding systems for dogs and cats are much more acutely destructive than the methods that were used for cows though, for example. Cows were at the very least bred for physical rigour and healthiness was considered to be a very important asset for the animals. When it comes to cats and dogs a great deal of the whole thing is about some insanely inane physical characteristics and hilariously obtuse and arbitrary standards of beauty, and to attain and adhere to these standards of beauty the animals are bred in destructive methods quite often. And so we have created a myriad of specimens that are completely useless at survival and are at the ultimate mercy of the human owner to be alive. It is a pitiful existence.
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my dog suddenly got really bloated and fat a year or so ago, and the vet said she had cancer and it was destroying the tissue in her tummy and she needed to be put down :C
worst part was, only my ma took her up to the vet practice and he told her that information then, and she decided to put the dog down without letting us say goodbye or anything. felt so angry about that, like my dog got snatched away from me
ive gotten another dog who is also a lab. great dogs, im sorry for your loss :C take care
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