• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:53
CEST 16:53
KST 23:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End0Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!40Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
2026 KungFu Cup Announcement PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
Best Games Kespa era [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End BW General Discussion Your past clans ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! [ASL22] Ro24 Group A Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8480 users

Insulation, Siding, Windows -DIY-

Blogs > Neo27
Post a Reply
Neo27
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States154 Posts
June 28 2010 18:54 GMT
#1
Like many other houses built in the 50's, we had single pane windows, that leaked large amounts of heat. Insulation? They either had nothing, or newspaper, (which was found to be a fire hazard later ). Ours had the former. We only knew the walls were empty because of our Kitchen Remodel.

[image loading]
Doesn't cut the mustard for upstate NY


+ Show Spoiler +
This picture also has a replacement window installed, which we decided later to replace...

So we know we wanted new windows, and insulation.
We started looking into contractors price for 1 picture window, and 10 standard windows. They were ranging from $7000 to $8000 USD for the whole job. Holy crap.

For insulation, I didn't check with contractors. I figured I would just do it. With aluminum siding, the process is quite simple.

So, needless to say, we started looking at DIY windows. Basically, there are 2 options for windows. Replacement windows and New Construction windows. The new construction windows are much nicer, since they have built-in exterior trim, with J-Channel for siding built-in. The only problem is, you need to see the studs in the opening, and the sheathing on the house to nail it to. The replacement windows are nice, it's the same physical window, just without the exterior trim portion and nailing flange.

This is where the "might-as-well"'s come in. The cost inflator of DIY projects. You are saving money by doing it yourself, so you might as well get the better stuff, right?

We decided on the new construction windows. So, we would need to remove siding portions around the windows, and cut them to size when re-installing.

My wife says, "You are going to need to take off most of the siding. Don't you think we should upgrade to vinyl siding" Since you are going to have most of it off anyway?"
"...." + Show Spoiler [3 Day argument] +
Nah, let's just say she won, as usual
"Ok, might as well."

I never did like that siding. The color is green, but it's more of a Bryers Mint Chocolate Chip. Nothing that paint wouldn't fix, but none the less, we started getting quotes for siding.

The first and last quote we got was from Home Depot. They send their salesman out to be your buddy, and then drop the bomb that for your 1100 square foot 1-story house will cost $17,000. Holy crap.

After kicking his ass out, I immediately started looking for DIY solutions. There is a lengthy manual on Vinylsiding.org that is very specific on how to cut and install siding, and I felt I could give it a go.

So we selected colors, ordered siding, windows, reserved a cellulose insulation blower, and off we go! 6 of the standard windows were in stock, which makes them 50% cheaper than ordering, so we took those home right away. As you can see below, these windows in the front are special, as they are joined together.

[image loading]
There she is. Okay, no chocolate chip, but definately mint.


I started by removing siding around those windows I could put in. I used a circular saw. I only have a handful of pictures.

Installing the windows is quite easy. You caulk around the flange, put the window in the hole, support it from the inside with scrap wood to position it, and nail it in. Then nail flashing around the outside. I found out later that the flashing around the bottom should go on before the window, oops.

[image loading]

[image loading]
Here's 2. The only close-ups I have during construction.



Waiting for 3 weeks for our goods to come in, I picked away at some siding on nights and weekends, and started making piles of aluminum. Once I had the whole house portion removed (minus the garage) I picked up the insulation blower and a bunch of bags of cellulose.

Insulation was easy. Fill the machine with some cellulose - it looks like a bunch of dryer lint, with newspaper mixed in.

[image loading]
My sister-in-law, packin in the cellulose.


I drilled a 1" hole about 3/4 of the way up, and one more near the top. You put the hose up to the bottom hole, place your hand over the top hole (cellulose shoots out, this wasn't in the instructions... it's there to let air out) and turn the machine on and wait. Then plug into the top hole and turn the machine on and wait. After a cavity is done, plug the holes, I bought 1" plastic plugs to do this. Then repeat for the remaining 70ish cavities.

[image loading]
My wife sure does know how to man a hose.


Insulation was done in a day. ezpz.

Once all the siding was off, the next step was to wrap the house with Tyvek. It's a 1-way vapor barrier that lets moisture out but not in. It just gets stapled on and the seams taped together.

Then our windows came in, so we went and picked those up. I left getting the old windows out to my wife and her friend.

[image loading]
Push! Harder!


[image loading]
Oh snap, there it goes!


[image loading]
We Rule.


Once we got those windows in, I took on a lighter job and cut molding for the inside of the picture window. More simple stuff. Measure once, cut once, cuss, measure twice, cut once and nail them on.

[image loading]
[image loading]
It just looks better at night.



The siding, is simple, but tedious. I took 2 weeks off work, had multiple helpers come and go, and we had it done in 3 weeks. I didn't take pictures during the siding phase, since I lost my excitement and just wanted to get it done.


The interesting thing about vinyl siding is that you "hang" it, and not nail it straight to the wall. You leave a milimeter gap behind the nail head. This allows the siding to expand and contract with the weather. Nailing it in all the way could cause it to crack in a few years. It's been 3 years, and still looking good.

[image loading]
That "wavyness" is an effect of down-scaling.


[image loading]
Methinks these look like crap, click the links below.

+ Show Spoiler [Not downscaled links] +

http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv83/sbogumil/Siding Insulation Windows/?action=view&current=100_1535.jpg
http://s672.photobucket.com/albums/vv83/sbogumil/Siding Insulation Windows/?action=view&current=100_1536.jpg
Hold mouse over the picture and click "zoom in"


The funny thing is, our neighborhood gets a free newspaper delivery on Sunday, called the Pennysaver, and since we moved in, they didn't ever deliver to us. Once we did the siding, they started delivering to us.


Cost. This is where you shit a brick.

Windows: $1,200
Siding: $2,400
Insulation: $ 400
Recycle aluminum siding: $ -450
Total: $3,550


HALF the cost of having JUST THE WINDOWS done professionally. Also, lots of man-hours from friends, so a few nice dinners bought too.


I've got 1 more huge project to blab about, a bathroom, and I hope to have it up soon.



+ Show Spoiler [to teamliquid coders] +
A preview button in Blogs? THANK YOU


****
"I was born too damn early! Where were these games when I was a kid?" - Angry Video Game Nerd
Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
June 28 2010 18:58 GMT
#2
Haha good work dude, way to save all that money. Now buy something useful with it, like a SC2 computeR
ramen-
Profile Joined September 2009
90 Posts
June 28 2010 19:15 GMT
#3
Looks great. Good to know that you don't have to go to the "pros" to get excellent results.
TaaiJoeng
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Hong Kong164 Posts
June 28 2010 19:18 GMT
#4
On June 29 2010 04:15 ramen- wrote:
Looks great. Good to know that you don't have to go to the "pros" to get excellent results.


^ Basically what I was going to say.
...but the parasites say NO!
Cauld
Profile Joined February 2010
United States350 Posts
June 28 2010 20:00 GMT
#5
I'm very impressed, it looks great. Good to know that if I ever want to do this myself I just need to build up the motivation to get it done, my lack of knowledge/expertise won't stand in my way after reading this.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24792 Posts
June 28 2010 20:32 GMT
#6
We did well by home depot for redoing the windows not too long ago... it was also mostly second story windows so we DEFINITELY weren't doing it ourselves :p
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
agorist
Profile Joined July 2009
United States115 Posts
June 28 2010 20:34 GMT
#7
You're gonna need a bigger boat.... I mean house.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
June 29 2010 00:53 GMT
#8
Can I pay you to do my house?
Neo27
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States154 Posts
June 30 2010 11:24 GMT
#9
On June 29 2010 09:53 lac29 wrote:
Can I pay you to do my house?

I wouldn't do it for you, but I'd help you out for free
"I was born too damn early! Where were these games when I was a kid?" - Angry Video Game Nerd
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiG Sty Festival
12:00
PiGfest 8.0 Group D
Maru vs Shameless
Reynor vs TriGGeR
PiGStarcraft1902
IntoTheiNu 1248
ComeBackTV 718
IndyStarCraft 289
Rex205
BRAT_OK 153
3DClanTV 140
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1902
IndyStarCraft 289
Rex 205
BRAT_OK 153
SHIN 27
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37969
BeSt 1122
Light 784
EffOrt 738
Soma 456
Larva 403
Snow 254
Last 117
Mong 116
Hyun 70
[ Show more ]
soO 54
ToSsGirL 44
sorry 43
Sexy 38
Bale 24
Shine 24
zelot 23
scan(afreeca) 23
Free 22
Rock 21
Terrorterran 20
NaDa 17
Sacsri 16
Noble 10
ZZZero.O 8
Dota 2
qojqva4046
Counter-Strike
fl0m4931
ScreaM1133
kRYSTAL_51
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King314
Chillindude39
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor329
Other Games
B2W.Neo680
singsing553
ToD399
Liquid`RaSZi129
KnowMe105
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV254
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 28
• Michael_bg 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV1080
League of Legends
• Jankos2021
• Nemesis1447
Upcoming Events
IPSL
1h 7m
OSC
9h 7m
Afreeca Starleague
19h 7m
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
20h 7m
The Patches Monday
1d 1h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
GSL
1d 20h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.