EPTI was very depressed about that until today.
Because the physics teacher told me that her kids' passing rate is 0%.
THAT FUCKING MADE MY DAY.
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
I was very depressed about that until today. Because the physics teacher told me that her kids' passing rate is 0%. THAT FUCKING MADE MY DAY. | ||
micronesia
United States24700 Posts
25% passing is not that bad (from your perspective) if you are placed in a difficult teaching situation where kids are unprepared, you are unsupported, etc... although I don't know much about the new math curriculum. | ||
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Kralic
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micronesia
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There was a couple of really tough questions on the physics regents ._. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32073 Posts
Who the hell is going to want to take a job where only %25 of your kids pass the test | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
ah, good for you, op, it's a good feeling lol. but dont be thinking that it's your fault only 25% passed. in my experience in middle/high school and standardized tests, the teacher does and can help a student pass when he or she would otherwise fail, but most of a time i feel like the burden falls on the student more. ive had really good teachers who taught the material well and made the classes interesting, but some classmates are just stubborn. they even have the capability to do well, but dont want to. | ||
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micronesia
United States24700 Posts
On June 24 2010 07:37 ieatkids5 wrote: regents exams are easy as pie. all m scores were 97 or higher, with 2 100's. /end brag They are regular level. If you are someone who is capable to take and do reasonably well in AP classes for example then the Regents exams SHOULD be easy. It's difficult to do very well (>95 let's say) in all subject areas though... like I got 100 on Sequential 1, 2, and 3, and did well on physics (not 100 can't remember number), but only got like a b+ on a couple of ones in social studies/English... | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
Jokes aside, where in NYC are you? But yeah, from what I can remember, physics regents was the one regent that killed the most in high school. I'd like to say that a teacher definitely matters though, and even 25% is pretty good if you are working with regular students (or not Queens). No idea of how the math curriculum changed from when I was in HS, but I recall people I know in my school had the most difficulty with that particular regents math wise, with the amount of proofs and random things you need to know in order to solve geometry problems. | ||
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Rev0lution
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Navi
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On June 24 2010 08:21 Rev0lution wrote: Where the students black and poor? It's been shown that low income students from underprivileged families do bad in school just because you have some minority kids doesn't mean that they can't do good... as a teacher, it feels good helping out kids that the world has low expectations for do well. think you meant to say 'were', not 'where' btw | ||
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micronesia
United States24700 Posts
On June 24 2010 08:50 Navi wrote: just because you have some minority kids doesn't mean that they can't do good... as a teacher, it feels good helping out kids that the world has low expectations for do well. think you meant to say 'were', not 'where' btw One of my students who has had great difficulty all year despite working really really hard just barely passed but I'm soooooo happy for her. | ||
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Ravloo
United States145 Posts
Congrats on your success! Keep up the great work homie, the world needs it. And make sure you celebrate your well-deserved achievement  | ||
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natturner
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micronesia
United States24700 Posts
On June 24 2010 09:36 natturner wrote: yea, it's pretty sad, cuz the regents are so ridiculously easy. kids are mad dumb these days Are kids actually getting dumber? Is there evidence to support this claim? | ||
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
On June 24 2010 07:25 Hawk wrote: I still can't believe some people think merit based pay will somehow improve this situation.... Who the hell is going to want to take a job where only %25 of your kids pass the test They're *trying* to figure out a way so that you measure the merit on the improvement - so that it's fair. IMHO there is no way to ensure fairness, and doing so will only promote teaching to the test. On June 24 2010 08:06 Ecael wrote: Jokes aside, where in NYC are you? But yeah, from what I can remember, physics regents was the one regent that killed the most in high school. I'd like to say that a teacher definitely matters though, and even 25% is pretty good if you are working with regular students (or not Queens). No idea of how the math curriculum changed from when I was in HS, but I recall people I know in my school had the most difficulty with that particular regents math wise, with the amount of proofs and random things you need to know in order to solve geometry problems. I teach at Far Rockaway, in the old Far Rock high school building - District 27 in NYC. And yes, Geometry is significantly more difficult than Integrated Algebra. Integrated Algebra has a retarded curve...basically if you get half of Part I(Multiple Choice) correct, and you can miss all of part II, III, and IV, you would still pass. (For reference sake, my school's algebra pass % is about 35%) On June 24 2010 08:21 Rev0lution wrote: Where the students black and poor? It's been shown that low income students from underprivileged families do bad in school To answer your question, yes and yes. And yes, you are correct that statistically they are at a disadvantage. Some of the are very smart and learn very quickly, just that they may not be academically inclined and may not learn the way you and I do. On June 24 2010 09:04 micronesia wrote: One of my students who has had great difficulty all year despite working really really hard just barely passed but I'm soooooo happy for her. Yeah I have a few students like that too....except that they still came up short. It was agonizing grading their papers  On June 24 2010 09:18 Ravloo wrote: Hi KH. I taught hs Math this past year too. Congrats on your success! Keep up the great work homie, the world needs it. And make sure you celebrate your well-deserved achievement Thanks! Counting on what little success I have is what keeps me going...gonna go get drunk this weekend, then maybe attend TL NYC LAN#5 On June 24 2010 09:36 natturner wrote: yea, it's pretty sad, cuz the regents are so ridiculously easy. kids are mad dumb these days "Dumb" is probably the last word I would use to describe my students. You need to hear the story of some of my kids. | ||
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micronesia
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
i don't really have to worry about that... i'll just leave it at that without further explanation  | ||
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drewcifer
United States192 Posts
On June 24 2010 09:18 Ravloo wrote: Hi KH. I taught hs Math this past year too. Congrats on your success! Keep up the great work homie, the world needs it. And make sure you celebrate your well-deserved achievement Is this sarcasm? I have no idea what world you come from where 25% of the students actually learning something is something to be celebrated. The incompetence of our education system is mind numbing. I remember going to school and hating every second of it including the sciences. Now I'm in college and am deeply fascinated with science and majoring in it as well. What gives? Did science change? or maybe it was just impossible to learn anything or become inspired in a setting like HS. My HS asked me to dropout to improve their statistics for attendance. I live in Queens, maybe someone can explain to me why education just gets shoved under the rug every single presidential election because I'm genuinely curious if there is any real logical reason.[/rant] | ||
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krndandaman
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micronesia
United States24700 Posts
On June 24 2010 12:54 drewcifer wrote: Is this sarcasm? I have no idea what world you come from where 25% of the students actually learning something is something to be celebrated. It is when you are in the school in Queens with the worst track record. Also I don't think 'learning something' and 'passing the regents are synonymous. On June 24 2010 15:16 krndandaman wrote: wait wtf where do you teach? 2 years ago i went to rank 400 high school and it was 100% pass rate for my class as well as 25% of the kids getting a perfect score. (for Math A which is similar to geometry) it was a normal honors math class I believe Math A is an easier test overall. Also, why are you comparing your rank 400 school to this one? An honors class.... no less. | ||
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krndandaman
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drewcifer
United States192 Posts
On June 24 2010 19:34 micronesia wrote: It is when you are in the school in Queens with the worst track record. Also I don't think 'learning something' and 'passing the regents are synonymous. No it isn't, it's still awful. I understand the person is just one teacher and he cannot possibly do much more than what he is already doing. The only reason I commented was because it seems like lunacy to celebrate how terrible we are at education. No matter your location, 1/4th of your class passing is a fucking horrible thing for everyone involved. It should be resolved It seems like there are a few teachers here...can anyone please explain to me why there is a lack of action being taken place by our govt in this matter? idk maybe our system isn't as bad as I think, I could be biased from my own experiences. btw, I never meant to insult the OP...I think it's great that you are teaching students that are labeled hopeless. I was merely saying that we shouldn't celebrate the incompetency of our ed system. None of those student's should have been hopeless in the first place. | ||
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
On June 24 2010 15:16 krndandaman wrote: wait wtf where do you teach? 2 years ago i went to rank 400 high school and it was 100% pass rate for my class as well as 25% of the kids getting a perfect score. (for Math A which is similar to geometry) it was a normal honors math class Read my earlier reply, I work at Far Rockaway, Queens. There are few overlapping topics between Math A and Geometry, but Math A is really more like Integrated Algebra, and is considered fairly easy to pass. Where I work, there are no honors math classes On June 24 2010 23:09 krndandaman wrote: not too sure about queens' schools, is this like cardozo? queens high school? i never thought the pass rate would be that low, especially celebrated. perhaps i've been living in my dome of long island for far too long? It's impossible to place all of the schools in Queens into one single category. There are more than 200k students in Queens. Cardozo is in District 26, which is probably the best district in Queens and one of the top in the entire NYC. Queens High School (I'm assuming you meant Queens High School for Sciences) is a specialized high school which is highly selective in admissions. In short, no, my school is NOT like Cardozo or Queens High School. (Btw, I graduated from Cardozo!) On June 25 2010 00:16 drewcifer wrote: No it isn't, it's still awful. I understand the person is just one teacher and he cannot possibly do much more than what he is already doing. The only reason I commented was because it seems like lunacy to celebrate how terrible we are at education. No matter your location, 1/4th of your class passing is a fucking horrible thing for everyone involved. It should be resolved It seems like there are a few teachers here...can anyone please explain to me why there is a lack of action being taken place by our govt in this matter? idk maybe our system isn't as bad as I think, I could be biased from my own experiences. btw, I never meant to insult the OP...I think it's great that you are teaching students that are labeled hopeless. I was merely saying that we shouldn't celebrate the incompetency of our ed system. None of those student's should have been hopeless in the first place. Thanks, I never doubted your intentions. My take on why there is a lack of action being taken place by the government - education is very much localized, a large portion of its funding rely on local municipal taxes. In addition, parental support outside of schools is extremely important. Students who are at-risk live in a neighborhood that has neither of the above mentioned. There are phenomenal school districts in Long Island that really serves its population with the education this country deserves. I would guess that you probably fall into this category. | ||
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micronesia
United States24700 Posts
On June 25 2010 00:16 drewcifer wrote: No it isn't, it's still awful. I understand the person is just one teacher and he cannot possibly do much more than what he is already doing. The only reason I commented was because it seems like lunacy to celebrate how terrible we are at education. No matter your location, 1/4th of your class passing is a fucking horrible thing for everyone involved. It should be resolved It seems like there are a few teachers here...can anyone please explain to me why there is a lack of action being taken place by our govt in this matter? idk maybe our system isn't as bad as I think, I could be biased from my own experiences. btw, I never meant to insult the OP...I think it's great that you are teaching students that are labeled hopeless. I was merely saying that we shouldn't celebrate the incompetency of our ed system. None of those student's should have been hopeless in the first place. To be clear I meant it is good results from the perspective of the teacher which you seem to appreciate judging from your post. Even though the level of difficulty of state finals is somewhat arbitrary (what does passing actually mean?), I do generally agree that those results are bad for an education that we force on our youth. You don't seem to understand the complexity of the problem though. How have you concluded that we are terrible at education? There is a ton of action being taken by the federal government over the past couple of decades as compared to the decades prior to that. After all, education is supposed to be handled by the states according to the founding fathers. Pretty much everything that the federal government does to improve education (generalization but not that far off) backfires and makes things worse. Governments usually don't know how to fix problems with education since the people in charge of making the big decisions don't know how to educate (or so I'm left to believe). As was already said, education is mostly paid for by local taxes and the like, and educational performance is closely linked to socioeconomic status of parents/family. Hm I discussed this with my dad for a minute randomly and he put it pretty simply: "when the parents don't care, the kids do terribly, no matter what the government does." edit: this is not typical either... many schools do much better | ||
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krndandaman
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drewcifer
United States192 Posts
On June 25 2010 11:53 micronesia wrote: You don't seem to understand the complexity of the problem though. How have you concluded that we are terrible at education? There is a ton of action being taken by the federal government over the past couple of decades as compared to the decades prior to that. After all, education is supposed to be handled by the states according to the founding fathers. Pretty much everything that the federal government does to improve education (generalization but not that far off) backfires and makes things worse. Governments usually don't know how to fix problems with education since the people in charge of making the big decisions don't know how to educate (or so I'm left to believe). As was already said, education is mostly paid for by local taxes and the like, and educational performance is closely linked to socioeconomic status of parents/family. Hm I discussed this with my dad for a minute randomly and he put it pretty simply: "when the parents don't care, the kids do terribly, no matter what the government does." edit: this is not typical either... many schools do much better don't over analyze what I'm about to say I'm just bored/ and thinking really abstractly about this. I've concluded we are terrible at education based on the events that took place throughout my life of public school in NYC. (I only mention NYC because I hear good things about it's education system, which means we're all fucked) Our methods of teaching are just straight up primitive. There is hardly ever any engagement between students and teachers. Most of my academic life was spent behind a desk at the back of the room staring at someone's tits.~30 students per teacher? What? Why? Why is it that we funnel kids into a room with one person and rely totally upon that guy/gal to teach our children the most important things of their lives? Class rooms are not a place of inspiration or innovation... It's a bureaucratic steaming pos, meant to train people for employment. Shouldn't the main and only focus be to teach people? Teach human beings? about everything and anything? You said the govt just fucks it up essentially. I understand this, our ways of handling problems are just as bad as the way we teach. Using the founding fathers to determine how we educate is just one example. Logic should be reinstalled into politics, yea, but it makes the most sense to start with education. When I asked why is govt not intervening, I mean taking control of the whole thing. Fuck the states power, why do we even have states. lol I'm all over the place fucking ignore most of this. But seriously, I mean this seems no brainer to me. I've learned more from the internet, than I have in all of my pre college education combined. I think the reason for this is because of the surplus of information and opportunities to bump into random unintended discoveries on the internet. Following a curriculum is a perfect way to bypass any possible chance of unintended discoveries. The internet isn't the only place for discoveries, but when you confine kids in masses into rooms it's no surprise when they don't meet any. When was the last time you actually discovered something in a high school class room? Shit should be different is all I'm saying, and I may be over saying it. But its because I've been frustrated with how my schooling went compared to what I can imagine in a more enlightened society recently. And then I imagine how much worse the kids in Rockaway/rest of world have it and I feel privileged, but still denied at the same time, which means something is very wrong here. I don't expect any of this shit to actually take place, lol. I just really wonder sometimes why we hang on to methods invented in a time before all of this amazing shit you see before yourself. We do it in many cases, in many ways, but I think with education it irks me the most...Probably because it's the reason any of this amazing shit you see before yourself even exists. Just remember that every luxury you enjoy today is here because of our predecessors ideas that are based off his/her predecessors, this is education. Imagine if we did it better | ||
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KH1031
United States862 Posts
On June 25 2010 11:53 micronesia wrote: Hm I discussed this with my dad for a minute randomly and he put it pretty simply: "when the parents don't care, the kids do terribly, no matter what the government does." I think your dad is a very wise man. On June 25 2010 14:11 drewcifer wrote: don't over analyze what I'm about to say I'm just bored/ and thinking really abstractly about this. I've concluded we are terrible at education based on the events that took place throughout my life of public school in NYC. (I only mention NYC because I hear good things about it's education system, which means we're all fucked) Our methods of teaching are just straight up primitive. There is hardly ever any engagement between students and teachers. Most of my academic life was spent behind a desk at the back of the room staring at someone's tits.~30 students per teacher? What? Why? Why is it that we funnel kids into a room with one person and rely totally upon that guy/gal to teach our children the most important things of their lives? Class rooms are not a place of inspiration or innovation... It's a bureaucratic steaming pos, meant to train people for employment. Shouldn't the main and only focus be to teach people? Teach human beings? about everything and anything? You said the govt just fucks it up essentially. I understand this, our ways of handling problems are just as bad as the way we teach. Using the founding fathers to determine how we educate is just one example. Logic should be reinstalled into politics, yea, but it makes the most sense to start with education. When I asked why is govt not intervening, I mean taking control of the whole thing. Fuck the states power, why do we even have states. lol I'm all over the place fucking ignore most of this. But seriously, I mean this seems no brainer to me. I've learned more from the internet, than I have in all of my pre college education combined. I think the reason for this is because of the surplus of information and opportunities to bump into random unintended discoveries on the internet. Following a curriculum is a perfect way to bypass any possible chance of unintended discoveries. The internet isn't the only place for discoveries, but when you confine kids in masses into rooms it's no surprise when they don't meet any. When was the last time you actually discovered something in a high school class room? Shit should be different is all I'm saying, and I may be over saying it. But its because I've been frustrated with how my schooling went compared to what I can imagine in a more enlightened society recently. And then I imagine how much worse the kids in Rockaway/rest of world have it and I feel privileged, but still denied at the same time, which means something is very wrong here. I don't expect any of this shit to actually take place, lol. I just really wonder sometimes why we hang on to methods invented in a time before all of this amazing shit you see before yourself. We do it in many cases, in many ways, but I think with education it irks me the most...Probably because it's the reason any of this amazing shit you see before yourself even exists. Just remember that every luxury you enjoy today is here because of our predecessors ideas that are based off his/her predecessors, this is education. Imagine if we did it better I personally don't think a federal education mandate is possible in the foreseeable future, as education policy is already highly political on the citywide level. The current partisanship nature of our government guarantees any federal oversight to local educational policy to fail. On a side note, Obama is trying to inject some new blood with the RTTT fund, but that's more of a catalyst as opposed to an end-all-be-all solution. I think the majority of the population, layman and experts alike, would agree that there needs to be a change in our education system. But the big problem is HOW to change it. The best and the worst part of this nation lies in its democratic approach - we'll have endless debates on what is the best way to educate our students and at the end of the day very little change is actually done. | ||
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Ravloo
United States145 Posts
On June 25 2010 00:16 drewcifer wrote: No it isn't, it's still awful. I understand the person is just one teacher and he cannot possibly do much more than what he is already doing. The only reason I commented was because it seems like lunacy to celebrate how terrible we are at education. No matter your location, 1/4th of your class passing is a fucking horrible thing for everyone involved. It should be resolved It seems like there are a few teachers here...can anyone please explain to me why there is a lack of action being taken place by our govt in this matter? idk maybe our system isn't as bad as I think, I could be biased from my own experiences. btw, I never meant to insult the OP...I think it's great that you are teaching students that are labeled hopeless. I was merely saying that we shouldn't celebrate the incompetency of our ed system. None of those student's should have been hopeless in the first place. I think you misinterpreted me. Celebrating 25% success rate in some arbitrary area looks silly on its own. However consider a professional athlete, a runner who can no longer move his legs. If he never learns to run again, but one day starts to walk, I think that's reason to celebrate. In summary it's about celebrating making a positive difference. The other fact is that teaching is no joke. I'm sure KH dealt with so many hardships on a daily basis. But the fact that he persevered is definitely a reason to celebrate. | ||
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
Honestly the day before I took a practice and got like 40's and after studying with people overnight it upped quite a bit. Mostly I blame this on my class schedule. Had gym second period where we did fencing (in the summer T_T) so after that I had physics and I was pretty tired and never paid much attention. Oh yes my friend failed with a 64 lol. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On June 24 2010 07:13 KH1031 wrote: So...I'm a Geometry teacher at a NYC high school. Last week my kids took the NYS Standardized Geometry Regents Exam and 25% of them passed... I was very depressed about that until today. Because the physics teacher told me that her kids' passing rate is 0%. THAT FUCKING MADE MY DAY. Which borough of NY? | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
In there, regents are considered a joke. | ||
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baller
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On June 25 2010 12:02 krndandaman wrote: Oh okay, I was probably really ignorant about this then. I was always under the impression that Cardozo was the BAD school. People here consider Cardozo a bad school so I never knew how good it was relative to NYC schools itself. yah man ur school is just so good and ur just so smart. props yo coming into the blog and layin down the law about how good and smart ur school is. good to know man, cardozo is bad for u but really good for other kids. i bet all those kids who failed wished they were u. u happy man? u happy now? | ||
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