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[rant]
One night of SC2 (just silver rated, mind you), doing my things, keeping a win rate of ~50% and it feels like EVERY FUCKING PROTOSS tonight was in the mood for being an asshole...
8 out of 9 toss players cheesed me, I only managed to win 2 games vP in what is shaping to be my worst matchup, at the end of the night I was so frustrated I randomly 10raxed and cursed at some poor protoss kid, and needless to say after he broke my contain I had to follow with marauders and the guy promptly got 4 void rays out on his 2nd push... Another loss under my belt. 
What frustrates me the most is that although I'm managing to keep up with TvT and have a substantially good winrate TvZ I can't seem to find a protoss who allows me to play standard, and being BMed or offensively GGed by some moron who pylon rushes isn't the best medicine to keep my temper...
Now I'm not saying I'm better than any of the guys who cheesed me, frankly I could see I was making crucial mistakes as I was playing, but that is part of the trial and error process against emergency situations, what really pissed me off is the fact that I can't seem to find an opponent who allows me to play standard...
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You just had bad luck that you got cheesed so much. People cheese alot but it stays in about 1/3 of games for me.
Scout early, do a safe build and beat the cheese.
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you're T? well let me counter rant
RAH RAH REAPER RUSH RAH RAH
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deal with it it's gonna happen might as well brace yourself for it
scout and play safely.
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What is a safe opening then, tonight i tried Rax-Fac-Star, Rax FE, 2rax, 2fac and always got 2gated zealots in my main before I had enough to deal with them.
My only useful note for the night is to wall in at my main instead of my natural, but out of 2 games where I managed to survive by doing that the first time my opponent played straight up and lost and the other time I got DT-dropped on blistering sands. -.-
On June 03 2010 09:44 DreaM)XeRO wrote:you're T? well let me counter rant RAH RAH REAPER RUSH RAH RAH /rant deal with it it's gonna happen might as well brace yourself for it scout and play safely.
I'm trying to be honorable, haven't reaper rushed tonight and only 2port banshee'd once
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I am a Terran diamond player, and it's pretty much the same there. I just scout after my first depot, make good wall-ins, and play safer builds.
Protoss is just cheesy. It's a fact of life.
edit: And am I the only Terran player who never uses reapers? lol
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On June 03 2010 09:46 Mikilatov wrote:
I am a Terran diamond player, and it's pretty much the same there. I just scout after my first depot, make good wall-ins, and play safer builds.
Protoss is just cheesy. It's a fact of life.
Safe opening=?
Also I blame Tasteless for 80% of the world's cannon rushes.
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if you are T and you cant defend it.. you probably deserve it.
How exactly is P "cheesing" you? the ONLY cheese is 2gate proxy under 10 supply or 7pylon cannon rush.. and if you are losing to that, block your choke off? anything else, including void rays, is NOT cheese. If you lose to anything else, you lost because they are the better player, not because of cheese.
Why dont you learn to defend/beat all strategies, rather than blaming your losses on "cheese" and assuming you are better than them when infact its quite the opposite.
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On June 03 2010 09:47 Skyze wrote:
if you are T and you cant defend it.. you probably deserve it.
How exactly is P "cheesing" you? the ONLY cheese is 2gate proxy under 10 supply.. and if you are losing to that, block your choke off? anything else, including void rays, is NOT cheese.
2gate, cannon rush, dt drop, I know that hidden mass void ray transition isn't cheesy but it still pisses me off a bit, the thing is I only managed to play 4 or 5 games against protoss who didn't do any of that, what this blog is about is me not being able to improve because I've been playing versus a different build/unit comp pretty much each game.
Also, mech or bio? What to do with starports? Is everything I should do as situational as it looks?
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What's cheesy about 2 gating or dt dropping? They are openings that leave Protoss with plenty of options even if you don't die to them. This is just a worthless rant.
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On June 03 2010 09:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
What's cheesy about 2 gating or dt dropping? They are openings that leave Protoss with plenty of options even if you don't die to them. This is just a worthless rant.
Please only attack the front of a terran's base.
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How about going through the rocks on Blistering Sands is that a cheese too? :D
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the 1/1/1 opening is pretty versatile, why arent you using that?
For clarification, that is rax, fac, starport into reactor marine/tank/raven then transition into whatever you want 
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On June 03 2010 09:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
What's cheesy about 2 gating or dt dropping? They are openings that leave Protoss with plenty of options even if you don't die to them. This is just a worthless rant.
So did bunker rushing Z in BW, but people still called it cheesy.
On June 03 2010 09:57 dethrawr wrote:the 1/1/1 opening is pretty versatile, why arent you using that? For clarification, that is rax, fac, starport into reactor marine/tank/raven then transition into whatever you want
I've been trying that, 2gate seemed to hit before I could begin production but I was making a lot of marauders, I'll definitely try marine/tank/raven from now on. Marauders/reactor medivacs really give you a completely different income. Thanks.
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It happens a lot man. I play Protoss and never really cheese. 2 gate is not cheese because its a viable opening. But as Protoss, I've faced countless other types of cheese in PvP. People hiding gateways, pylons, cannon rush, etc. It happens more in the lower leagues I find. Just bear through it and get over the hump. Once you know how to find and defend against cheese, you almost want them to, because its an easy win after 10 min.
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Does FE exist as an opening for protoss? Even gateway->core->nexus, is that even viable?
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On June 03 2010 09:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
How about going through the rocks on Blistering Sands is that a cheese too? :D
Oh, absolutely! Unless the terran has siege tanks there. Then it is the only thing that ISN'T cheese.
gg
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On June 03 2010 10:03 r33k wrote:
Does FE exist as an opening for protoss? Even gateway->core->nexus, is that even viable?
I don't think any decent player would let you get away with that...
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I pretty much ONLY get cheesed by terrans, so I have no sympathy for you.
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cheese is really easy to stop in sc2 man, you've probably just been spoiled with the "1a ok im done micro lol" so you don't have the micro or multi-task to stop cheeses
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On June 03 2010 09:57 r33k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 09:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
What's cheesy about 2 gating or dt dropping? They are openings that leave Protoss with plenty of options even if you don't die to them. This is just a worthless rant. So did bunker rushing Z in BW, but people still called it cheesy. Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 09:57 dethrawr wrote:the 1/1/1 opening is pretty versatile, why arent you using that? For clarification, that is rax, fac, starport into reactor marine/tank/raven then transition into whatever you want I've been trying that, 2gate seemed to hit before I could begin production but I was making a lot of marauders, I'll definitely try marine/tank/raven from now on. Marauders/reactor medivacs really give you a completely different income. Thanks.
I wouldn't compare bunker rushing to 2 gate, 2 rax (against zerg at least) would be a more apt comparison.
For myself, when I play against P, I scout after depot and spend a lot more care (than I did in SCI) at keeping my scout alive. By the time (if they do) get a stalker to deal with my scv, I usually see an important piece of their tech tree; if I feel they've been trying to trick me or delaying their tech buildings for a surprise switch, I scan shortly afterwards to confirm.
If you're really feeling the rage, try reaper rushing a couple of times. great for blowing off steam 
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I thought Artosis always ranted about mech ZvT??
Thats what 90% of his tweets are about anyways.
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On June 03 2010 09:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
How about going through the rocks on Blistering Sands is that a cheese too? :D
thats the worst kind
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On June 03 2010 10:24 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 09:57 r33k wrote:On June 03 2010 09:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
What's cheesy about 2 gating or dt dropping? They are openings that leave Protoss with plenty of options even if you don't die to them. This is just a worthless rant. So did bunker rushing Z in BW, but people still called it cheesy. On June 03 2010 09:57 dethrawr wrote:the 1/1/1 opening is pretty versatile, why arent you using that? For clarification, that is rax, fac, starport into reactor marine/tank/raven then transition into whatever you want I've been trying that, 2gate seemed to hit before I could begin production but I was making a lot of marauders, I'll definitely try marine/tank/raven from now on. Marauders/reactor medivacs really give you a completely different income. Thanks. I wouldn't compare bunker rushing to 2 gate, 2 rax (against zerg at least) would be a more apt comparison.
For myself, when I play against P, I scout after depot and spend a lot more care (than I did in SCI) at keeping my scout alive. By the time (if they do) get a stalker to deal with my scv, I usually see an important piece of their tech tree; if I feel they've been trying to trick me or delaying their tech buildings for a surprise switch, I scan shortly afterwards to confirm. If you're really feeling the rage, try reaper rushing a couple of times. great for blowing off steam
Two rax was standard for so long. There is no way I would consider that cheese.
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On June 03 2010 10:38 Megalisk wrote:
I thought Artosis always ranted about mech ZvT??
Thats what 90% of his tweets are about anyways.
The traumas he felt in SC1 can't be forgotten...
btw I tried the 1/1/1 reactor marine/tank/raven combo, it's simply amazing. Also thanks a lot for the scouting advice, I could really feel the difference. It's extremely easy to shift-bash right click and it puts the opponent a little under pressure.
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if you really want to know what it feels like to play without any pressure on you, just play against a computer, you can play as standard as you want that way. sounds sarcastic but its how i learned to have sik control, just making my build orders tight as a tiger.
just have fun though man.. at first i hated getting 9 pooled on python in broodwar, but then one time i played while stoned and i realized that microing scvs in front of marines and still keeping my base going was actually really good fun. just feel the amazingness that is tiny micro battles, and remember that once you fight it off you're in good shape!
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hohoho, a Terran, saying another race is inherently cheesy? oh please. Dont carry any of that pathetic artosis bias over from BW, terran is absolutely the cheesiest and most versatile race.
hi 6-9 rax reaper/maurader +shells, hi banshee rushes + cloak, hi bunker rushes, hi super fast hellion drops.
In fact, if a protoss is winning against you with cheese, you should commend him, since terran with wallin is basically uncheesable. (unless you count hidden void ray is cheese, thats pretty shitty to deal with as all three races)
EDIT: if you mean inbase cheese or something, well thats just something I havent faced with any race since patch 5ish :p
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On June 03 2010 11:16 Crabman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 10:24 Navi wrote:On June 03 2010 09:57 r33k wrote:On June 03 2010 09:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
What's cheesy about 2 gating or dt dropping? They are openings that leave Protoss with plenty of options even if you don't die to them. This is just a worthless rant. So did bunker rushing Z in BW, but people still called it cheesy. On June 03 2010 09:57 dethrawr wrote:the 1/1/1 opening is pretty versatile, why arent you using that? For clarification, that is rax, fac, starport into reactor marine/tank/raven then transition into whatever you want I've been trying that, 2gate seemed to hit before I could begin production but I was making a lot of marauders, I'll definitely try marine/tank/raven from now on. Marauders/reactor medivacs really give you a completely different income. Thanks. I wouldn't compare bunker rushing to 2 gate, 2 rax (against zerg at least) would be a more apt comparison.
For myself, when I play against P, I scout after depot and spend a lot more care (than I did in SCI) at keeping my scout alive. By the time (if they do) get a stalker to deal with my scv, I usually see an important piece of their tech tree; if I feel they've been trying to trick me or delaying their tech buildings for a surprise switch, I scan shortly afterwards to confirm. If you're really feeling the rage, try reaper rushing a couple of times. great for blowing off steam Two rax was standard for so long. There is no way I would consider that cheese.
That's the point.
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