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Not a write up.
How, HOW did Flash lose with a 2-0 advantage? Someone explain it to me.
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BookTwo
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****************** Not a write up. How, HOW did Flash lose with a 2-0 advantage? Someone explain it to me. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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EtherealDeath
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SchOOl_VicTIm
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ProoM
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BookTwo
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Subwoofermate
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On May 22 2010 22:03 BookTwo wrote: SPOILERS ****************** Not a write up. How, HOW did Flash lose with a 2-0 advantage? Someone explain it to me. but being utterly rubbish at the early game. you've seen it time and time again that his opponent ALWAYS gets the build advantage. the only time it doesn't happen is when protoss starts with 12 nexus and that's because protoss players suck balls these days so they never get away with it. it wasn't even mind games or anything so cj fanboys don't get yourself wet. its just flash is so bad at this and we've seen it time and time again. its the fact his late game is so strong that he can smash these scrubs back and make it look like there wasn't any advantage. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On May 22 2010 22:06 ProoM wrote: A-move rines against zergling all in, then fail proxy rax in the middle of the map and let 1 zerglings scout all your tech buildings, then let overlord spot your dropships and still drop w/o caring. Then do a 14 cc TvZ on Match Point w/o even proper walling against zergling all in, and that's how you do it ^_^ SOOOO BADDDD | ||
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
On May 22 2010 22:06 ProoM wrote: A-move rines against zergling all in, then fail proxy rax in the middle of the map and let 1 zerglings scout all your tech buildings, then let overlord spot your dropships and still drop w/o caring. Then do a 14 cc TvZ on Match Point w/o even proper walling against zergling all in, and that's how you do it ^_^ I'd say this basically sums it all up. It's pretty impressive to do it 3 games in a row no? | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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Effort_FTW
United States79 Posts
On May 22 2010 22:06 ProoM wrote: A-move rines against zergling all in, then fail proxy rax in the middle of the map and let 1 zerglings scout all your tech buildings, then let overlord spot your dropships and still drop w/o caring. Then do a 14 cc TvZ on Match Point w/o even proper walling against zergling all in, and that's how you do it ^_^ This, if Flash played standard games he would have won so easy..BUT EFFORT FIGHTING! | ||
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Tianx
United States1196 Posts
On May 22 2010 22:07 BookTwo wrote: seriously guys, the second game was pure domination, and then, it all changed. Flash seriously screwed on his MnM micro on his timing attack in the second game as well, he just managed to get out of the opening well enough to turn on his midgame=win switch. Seriously a disappointing series. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
and uh.. flash just made mistakes and EffOrt caught them? What else is there to say? lol | ||
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Subwoofermate
293 Posts
On May 22 2010 22:13 7mk wrote: I gotta say I feel for all flash fans, this must have been the most frustrating finals ever. shouldn't be anything new for them though. flash's individual league career is summed up losing games in less than 5 minutes just like yellow's individual league career is summed up by the silver medal. On May 22 2010 22:17 Mobius wrote: This was absolutely the best OSL finals since sAviOr vs NaDa.. and uh.. flash just made mistakes and EffOrt caught them? What else is there to say? lol no way man, iris vs ggplay was possibly the single best osl finals. this was a really awful finals just like flash's series against jaedong in gom. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Next game he moved out with his a handful of marines and 2 medics to secure his ramp or something, the marines in a limbo line hugging a wall and the 2 medics in trailing too far behind to heal. So sloppy. EffOrt killed them all with his first lings and then clean up. Game 5, Flash 14 cc on Match Point...a 2 players map that EffOrt simply did the same build Flash had already seen him do TWICE already tonight. After EffOrt saw the 14 cc, 3 hatch all-in ling. What do you expect. So disappointing from Flash, though the 2 games he won were really good. I just wish EffOrt won in a better fashion. He capitalized on Flash's mistakes perfectly but he didn't win a single game past maybe the 10 minute mark, and he won the Grand Championship from that. | ||
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eshlow
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Graham
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Subwoofermate
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LG)Sabbath
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mind games win bo5 series | ||
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Yggdrasil Leaf
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WniO
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Gliche
United States811 Posts
Ok I'm done ranting now. I'm going to take a break now. BAH. UGH. ASDF. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Game 4. Flash bbs'd and got scouted. GG. Game 3. Flash got tricked by effort, thinking he'd go a third hatch in natural rather than more lings. The flash bashing is unjustified, effort played really well the last 3 games and got lucky combined with great scouting and mind games. Marine scv micro at the end of a 5set final with that much pressure and unexpected speedlings would be a nightmare. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
I gotta start watching sc:bw again, haven't watched since last osl/msl. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On May 22 2010 22:34 OneFierceZealot wrote: can the bonjwa talks be over now? please god yes. ...What if he rapes JD next week?  | ||
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Subwoofermate
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very unlikely but it'll be hilarious if it happens. i actually hope it happens since it'll turn everyone's world upside down. | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
Games 3 and 5 Effort seized the opportunity and made good use of his lings - also risky play, but in reaction to Flash's missteps. Game 4 was just perfect execution and decision making by Effort - no mistakes. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On May 22 2010 22:06 ProoM wrote: A-move rines against zergling all in, then fail proxy rax in the middle of the map and let 1 zerglings scout all your tech buildings, then let overlord spot your dropships and still drop w/o caring. Then do a 14 cc TvZ on Match Point w/o even proper walling against zergling all in, and that's how you do it ^_^ lol Flash "let" the overlord spot his drop. just like Effort "let" Flash scan his hold lurkers and scourge positions in game 2. Effort played horrible in game 1 and 2, imo he was even or ahead in both games and then threw it away. | ||
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n.DieDaga
Mexico31 Posts
On May 22 2010 23:15 Hot_Bid wrote: lol Flash "let" the overlord spot his drop. just like Effort "let" Flash scan his hold lurkers and scourge positions in game 2. Effort played horrible in game 1 and 2, imo he was even or ahead in both games and then threw it away. I think he was ahead on game 1, but the timing push from Flash was too much for him to handle. Also, the queens got broodlings a little bit too late (or maybe they didn't have enough energy, most likely this). In game 2 he made horrible mistakes, like losing mutas carelessly and not doing enough with the mutas. Anyway, EffOrt deserves this, and now CJ has a new champ  . | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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konadora
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tonight
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On May 23 2010 00:46 tonight wrote: I wanted to see him get that Golden Mouse so bad, but everything I've read up on for the match seems like the games were a bit lack luster in terms of pure skill. They definitely were. I have to say I was rather disappointed with today's games. Didn't really feel a finals-game level of excitement at all. Flash vs Movie felt more exciting imo. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 23 2010 00:35 Kenpachi wrote: Well, flash got arrogant AGAIN. His cockyness was shown in his game vs effort in PL. This time, he felt he can win because he thought he crushed Effort's heart. Effort is a baller. its not cocky, its not arrogant, its not flash losing focus and its not stupid of him to take risks. terran is fragile. playing to minimize losses can work to an extent, if you're good enough. look at all the solid terrans there have been, people like midas and hwasin, theyre ridiculously good. they won, alot. they never won a title. because once you start playing against bisu and jaedong and effort, if you play to not lose you have no chance because that style can be abused very hard. thats why flash has always been able to win, he is one of the best mechanically anyway, but he takes risks. theyre normally very well calculated and based on scouting and knowledge, not pure luck, but they are risks none the less and sometimes that backfires and you look stupid no matter who you are. flash won game 2 cuz he left his base relatively open while mutas are out and goes to pressure effort's third. at that point hes way, way behind and if the attack doesnt go his way hes dead, but if he doesnt do anything with the situation hes in a lot of trouble anyway. so he takes his chance, and it works. game 4, if he just sits back and tries to turtle up effort runs him ragged with muta micro, given how fast mutas come off that build and the setup of fighting spirit. so he pushes out right before mutas will be out to try to pressure, hoping to catch effort off guard and force a sunken or lings, anything to lessen the effect of the mutas. but efforts prepared for this and it doesnt work. in both games hes in a tough situation and takes a risk to try to turn it in his favor. one game he looks great, the other he looks retarded. a more conservative player will sit back and turret up both games, he doesnt run the risk of dying immediately and he doesnt end up looking stupid and getting criticized. but hes never gonna win a starleague. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On May 23 2010 01:12 IdrA wrote: its not cocky, its not arrogant, its not flash losing focus and its not stupid of him to take risks. terran is fragile. playing to minimize losses can work to an extent, if you're good enough. look at all the solid terrans there have been, people like midas and hwasin, theyre ridiculously good. they won, alot. they never won a title. because once you start playing against bisu and jaedong and effort, if you play to not lose you have no chance because that style can be abused very hard. thats why flash has always been able to win, he is one of the best mechanically anyway, but he takes risks. theyre normally very well calculated and based on scouting and knowledge, not pure luck, but they are risks none the less and sometimes that backfires and you look stupid no matter who you are. flash won game 2 cuz he left his base relatively open while mutas are out and goes to pressure effort's third. at that point hes way, way behind and if the attack doesnt go his way hes dead, but if he doesnt do anything with the situation hes in a lot of trouble anyway. so he takes his chance, and it works. game 4, if he just sits back and tries to turtle up effort runs him ragged with muta micro, given how fast mutas come off that build and the setup of fighting spirit. so he pushes out right before mutas will be out to try to pressure, hoping to catch effort off guard and force a sunken or lings, anything to lessen the effect of the mutas. but efforts prepared for this and it doesnt work. in both games hes in a tough situation and takes a risk to try to turn it in his favor. one game he looks great, the other he looks retarded. a more conservative player will sit back and turret up both games, he doesnt run the risk of dying immediately and he doesnt end up looking stupid and getting criticized. but hes never gonna win a starleague. Can you give us a bit of description of the atmosphere at the CJ house after Effort won? CJ fans would really appreciate it, as the streams cut out a lot of the post game stuff, and the OSL had to hurry everything because the beginning was delayed so long. What was Coach Cho's reaction? The other players? Thanks in advance. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On May 23 2010 01:12 IdrA wrote: its not cocky, its not arrogant, its not flash losing focus and its not stupid of him to take risks. terran is fragile. playing to minimize losses can work to an extent, if you're good enough. look at all the solid terrans there have been, people like midas and hwasin, theyre ridiculously good. they won, alot. they never won a title. because once you start playing against bisu and jaedong and effort, if you play to not lose you have no chance because that style can be abused very hard. thats why flash has always been able to win, he is one of the best mechanically anyway, but he takes risks. theyre normally very well calculated and based on scouting and knowledge, not pure luck, but they are risks none the less and sometimes that backfires and you look stupid no matter who you are. flash won game 2 cuz he left his base relatively open while mutas are out and goes to pressure effort's third. at that point hes way, way behind and if the attack doesnt go his way hes dead, but if he doesnt do anything with the situation hes in a lot of trouble anyway. so he takes his chance, and it works. game 4, if he just sits back and tries to turtle up effort runs him ragged with muta micro, given how fast mutas come off that build and the setup of fighting spirit. so he pushes out right before mutas will be out to try to pressure, hoping to catch effort off guard and force a sunken or lings, anything to lessen the effect of the mutas. but efforts prepared for this and it doesnt work. in both games hes in a tough situation and takes a risk to try to turn it in his favor. one game he looks great, the other he looks retarded. a more conservative player will sit back and turret up both games, he doesnt run the risk of dying immediately and he doesnt end up looking stupid and getting criticized. but hes never gonna win a starleague. very interesting, thanks. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 23 2010 01:24 Hot_Bid wrote: Can you give us a bit of description of the atmosphere at the CJ house after Effort won? CJ fans would really appreciate it, as the streams cut out a lot of the post game stuff, and the OSL had to hurry everything because the beginning was delayed so long. What was Coach Cho's reaction? The other players? Thanks in advance. i dunno i couldnt go with them cuz i was playing in a chinese sc2 tourny today | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
 Flash didn't lose the finals.  EffOrt won the finals. On May 23 2010 01:30 IdrA wrote: i dunno i couldnt go with them cuz i was playing in a chinese sc2 tourny today And does that mean they didn't come back to the house, yet? Probably all out partying. EffOrt is making it rain in a club, throwing a celebration that's... + Show Spoiler + ...out of this world? | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
I'd prefer to keep it in a single thread, and this OP was godawful, other one is much better. | ||
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