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I've been struggling to break 2000 in Platinum for a few days now.
No matter what I built in PvT, I lost to the ball of Marines, Marauders, Tanks, Vikings, and Medvacs.
So I decided to hop on the Void Ray bandwagon... against every race.
I've gone 5-0 versus Protoss with Voidrays and Zealots and I found a working build order against the dreaded 1 rax Marine, 1 fac Tank, 1 Starport Viking Terran play. I start off with 2 gate, Stargate and pump out a mixed gateway army while getting 2 Voidrays. I pressure the Terran and bust in if I think I can win the game right there and then (which is often the case if the Terran player FEs). Otherwise, I just contain the Terran and expand while he starts to pump out enough AA to counter the Void Rays. At this point, I switch to Phoenixes (to harass, and to lift up tanks), add more gateways and add a Robo for Colossus.
Zerg has been more challenging because I went against Dimaga three times, but for the most part I've copied Ace's early aggressive style by 10-gating and pressuring with early zealots while getting Void Rays.
Long story short, fuck the templar tech tree. Oh, and I finally broke 2000!
  
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i would like to see your replay. can you post some?
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gz, but Im pretty sure blizz will nerf voidrays soon, they are overused and are incredibile full charge.
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they shouldnt nerf voidrays too bad tho, they are the only thing that stops terran really.. terran is steamrolling every race right now if they dont suck.
If they nerf voidrays, I pray for a tank nerf at least, maybe more.
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I personally think voidrays still get crushed by the terran build, if he goes reactor after one marine
This makes his push come a fair amount earlier and allows him to use only tanks and marines with one viking to come out and push at the same timing as your second voidray, not giving you any time to pump gateway units
It does make him vulnerable for a short while before his first tank comes out so you can win the game if you snipe enough marines before it does
And yeah i hate templar tech, honestly stargate openings are just so much better and more versatile even if the potential power is less
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yep the only thing I think voidrays are useful for vs a good terran, is delaying them while you expand/get up a decent army.. They just keep terran in their base that extra 1-2 minutes you need.. If you plan on winning games with just voidrays vs a decent terran, you're in for a rude awakening.
Therefor, they fill their role. Its unfortunate so many bad players complain about them they will get nerfed (just like immortals were, blizzard likes to listen to terran crybabies)
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hahah post reps plsss
I wud like to see games in the 2000 status ^__^
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Post some replays, I'm a P player and would really love to see how you do it.
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I just broke 2000 today as a terran player, and void rays frustrate the shit out of me.. I would post some replays of me losing vs void rays. I got tons lol
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amen stalife (except i just broke 1700 :d)
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Replays please, also, void rays are being changed patch 13 so they might not be as viable 
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On May 19 2010 19:37 NuKedUFirst wrote:Replays please, also, void rays are being changed patch 13 so they might not be as viable
People keep saying this, but do you have any actual evidence?
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On May 19 2010 17:20 Skyze wrote:
they shouldnt nerf voidrays too bad tho, they are the only thing that stops terran really.. terran is steamrolling every race right now if they dont suck.
If they nerf voidrays, I pray for a tank nerf at least, maybe more.
youre def the most dedicated balance crybaby ever on tl. whenever you can somehow squeeze a "TERRAN OP QQ!" post in without going totally offtopic you are there.
how do you do that? do you have a program that always alarms you when someone writes a post with some keywords in it? or do you just spend several hours a day for your allimportant anti terran crusade?
@blog gz on 2k. wanna share some reps?
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On May 19 2010 21:51 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 17:20 Skyze wrote:
they shouldnt nerf voidrays too bad tho, they are the only thing that stops terran really.. terran is steamrolling every race right now if they dont suck.
If they nerf voidrays, I pray for a tank nerf at least, maybe more. youre def the most dedicated balance crybaby ever on tl. whenever you can somehow squeeze a "TERRAN OP QQ!" post in without going totally offtopic you are there. how do you do that? do you have a program that always alarms you when someone writes a post with some keywords in it? or do you just spend several hours a day for your allimportant anti terran crusade? @blog gz on 2k. wanna share some reps?
Right. You were in every thread saying "NERF PROTOSS WAH WAH" and im just saying you're retarded.
I think the game is PRETTY CLOSE to balance, Roach nerf last patch was the only major issue imo, that shouldnt of been done. I definitely think the game will get more and more in Terran's favor the further we go along, which is proving clear in Korea. Already 10 of the top 20 are terrans, and Artosis is saying all the zerg pros are switching to terran. Im not stating my opinion, im stating what Artosis has provided in his thread, and I think we can agree he is knowledgable about the korean SC2 scene.
But ok kid, remember the game isnt balanced in copper league for newbs like you who cant deal with Void rays. The game is balanced for REAL PLAYERS who dont cry "wahh i cant beat void rays or wahh i cant beat immortals".. Which any GOOD terran doesnt do (look at Brat_OK or all the fucking Korean terrans dominating everyone.)
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void rays aren't imba. I thought they were at first but then I played 50 games
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Really, they're not imbalanced. My only gripe would actually be their speed, not the damage they can cause..... They're pretty fucking fast for what they do. That causes most of the headaches.
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To all the "NERF PLZ": with enough scouting, void rays can be beaten pretty easily.
And congratz to the OP
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I actually found void rays to be an easy win, fast expand into viking marine tank kind of stomps it, maybe my opponents were bad. Though 1 was orb 
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Naaah void rays are fucking OP! manage to defend against them and u're usually even or slightly ahead, do the slightest error in your defence and game's over. I'm random player btw so i have the right to whine about any imbalance i want since i am clearly unbiased!
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I'm not a fan of void rays, I'm on the DT bandwagon.
There's no real transition out of void rays, but with dt's i can just mass chargelots and get templar.
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I don't care if they nerf my void ray, but please BUFF my other UNITS. Bring storm back to how it used to be? I don't even care if its not stackable still. I find it funny that in a game where everything DIES much faster than in BW, storm is 40 points of damage weaker with a smaller radius. I get templar and morph them into archons vs zerg. That's not intended right Blizzard? Well make them effective then. VR is the one thing we need to perfectly combat terran mech balls along with phoenix. If the terran is halfway decent (IE High level plat) cant just go straight phoenix to take care of the tanks we need to get vr to pick off the marines and then send in our ground army.
NERF void rays? Fine, Blizzard screams that they want every unit to be USABLE but I've CREATED more motherships over the course of this beta than CARRIERS. Nice unit balance there. Oh while we're at it i've created mothership more then ultras too! <3
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On May 20 2010 03:25 Legendary- wrote:
I don't care if they nerf my void ray, but please BUFF my other UNITS. Bring storm back to how it used to be? I don't even care if its not stackable still. I find it funny that in a game where everything DIES much faster than in BW, storm is 40 points of damage weaker with a smaller radius. I get templar and morph them into archons vs zerg. That's not intended right Blizzard? Well make them effective then. VR is the one thing we need to perfectly combat terran mech balls along with phoenix. If the terran is halfway decent (IE High level plat) cant just go straight phoenix to take care of the tanks we need to get vr to pick off the marines and then send in our ground army.
NERF void rays? Fine, Blizzard screams that they want every unit to be USABLE but I've CREATED more motherships over the course of this beta than CARRIERS. Nice unit balance there. Oh while we're at it i've created mothership more then ultras too! <3
Seems like every unit is 'meh' in this game.. No really game changing units.
Where are 'good' templars, defilers and other stuff.. They just make all units suck equally hard..
Yeah, I dont know what is their plan for void ray but I have a feeling it will totally kill it as a unit..
Unit that sucks uncharged must be very good charged to compensate.. I cant wait too see what is it.. If they change it to not carry charge when switching targets its dead..
If they make is only useful vs big massive units its dead too cause there are better ways do deal with them..
Either way I feel stargate will be a gimmick again..
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On May 19 2010 23:16 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 21:51 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On May 19 2010 17:20 Skyze wrote:
they shouldnt nerf voidrays too bad tho, they are the only thing that stops terran really.. terran is steamrolling every race right now if they dont suck.
If they nerf voidrays, I pray for a tank nerf at least, maybe more. youre def the most dedicated balance crybaby ever on tl. whenever you can somehow squeeze a "TERRAN OP QQ!" post in without going totally offtopic you are there. how do you do that? do you have a program that always alarms you when someone writes a post with some keywords in it? or do you just spend several hours a day for your allimportant anti terran crusade? @blog gz on 2k. wanna share some reps? Right. You were in every thread saying "NERF PROTOSS WAH WAH" and im just saying you're retarded. I think the game is PRETTY CLOSE to balance, Roach nerf last patch was the only major issue imo, that shouldnt of been done. I definitely think the game will get more and more in Terran's favor the further we go along, which is proving clear in Korea. Already 10 of the top 20 are terrans, and Artosis is saying all the zerg pros are switching to terran. Im not stating my opinion, im stating what Artosis has provided in his thread, and I think we can agree he is knowledgable about the korean SC2 scene. But ok kid, remember the game isnt balanced in copper league for newbs like you who cant deal with Void rays. The game is balanced for REAL PLAYERS who dont cry "wahh i cant beat void rays or wahh i cant beat immortals".. Which any GOOD terran doesnt do (look at Brat_OK or all the fucking Korean terrans dominating everyone.)
angry flame nerd some botes about your post:
1. quote me from all those threads. most i said is that its hard as an opening(weeks and several patches ago when Ts overall were puzzled how to open tvp) and is annoying. and even that in maybe 2 posts. considering how you are in EVRY terran thread and basicly troll over pages i really dobut you have the right to call this "WAH WAH". and nice manners flaming me.
2. im ~1500ish plat eu. havent playd much in the last 3 weeks tho(only have 80 games or sumthing since last reset).yeah im not good. but not quite copper.also i play a fair deal of random. weak assumptions as a pseudo argument wont make you look smarter.
3. @ the 3rd part>the only one who constantly cries about balance is you. you go into a normal discussion and start flaming evryone and demand nerfs for terran. your hypocrisy is epic.
4. flaming like a 14 yr old dota forum kid. whats next? throwing feces at evry T player/evryone that doesnt like your antiT crusade?
you amuse me.
/edit dont even bother to write a huge ass rage post about how you are so smart and nobody thinks like me and how much i suck. i dont care and most likely wont read it. save your energy for the next guy that is annoyed by your posts. im not the first and not the last.
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