• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:16
CEST 18:16
KST 01:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview9[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?16Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris46Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!15Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again! 2024/25 Off-Season Roster Moves
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Monday Nights Weeklies LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments 🏆 GTL Season 2 – StarCraft II Team League
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion Starcraft at lower levels TvP No Rain in ASL20? Victoria gamers BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Is there English video for group selection for ASL [ASL20] Ro24 Group F [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined! Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum Teeworlds - online game General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 733 users

Willful Suspension of Disbelief

Blogs > iCCup.Raelcun
Post a Reply
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
May 03 2010 06:07 GMT
#1
Okay so I have a guilty pleasure of watching Crime Dramas with their bad science and uber technology that doesn't actually exist. The fact that they can magically improve photos from nothing etc etc I'm willing to just roll with that but when they're working on more solid scientific concepts and they get lazy to make a plot point it pisses me off.

So I was watching a show I won't name any names to protect the guilty. Two protagonists are buried alive in a car and the perp has an MO of always giving them 10 hours of air. According to the way that Crime Dramas work without seeing the episode you KNOW they will run out of air with about 15 minutes left. This is to increase the suspense I -know- this going in, but the writers had to figure out a way to extend the time frame of the air. So they're breaking into the trunk and popping tires and setting off carbon dioxide reactions being scientists while their partners try to find them etc etc.

THE PROBLEM IS, the two protagonists were unconscious at the start and one of them falls asleep at one point. All they had to do instead of stretching some bullshit about setting off a reaction in a lab dish to somehow magically get 10 more minutes of air all they had to do was realize that you breathe slower when you're asleep. THATS IT instead of using a simple fact that's easy to use to buy the protagonists more time on the "clock" they had to use more and more bad science to figure out how to survive. And this is where my Willful Suspension of Disbelief dies.

When there is a simple way to get the plot device that you want why go for the bad science over the simple facts? I deal with the fact that they're able to analyze the dirt with a flash light and a camera to figure out where they're buried, I deal with the fact that they magically sent a text message by feeding power from the car into the phone. But why does my disbelief start at them magically extending air by poking the air out of tires? I don't know but it annoyed me to no end. What ever happened to KISS?

[/rant]

mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
May 03 2010 06:15 GMT
#2
i think there's a difference between willful suspension of disbelief and inaccuracy.

WSOD is like "no im not in a theatre, I'm in new york with the rest of the cast" and i think applies more to a live theatrical setting than watching a movie/show
☆★☆ 7486!!! Join the Ban mOnion Anti-Trolling Initiative! - Caller | "on a scale of machine to 10, how bad is that Zerg?" - LZgamer | you are the new tl.net bonjwa monion, congrats - Rekrul | "Cheeseburgers dynamite lilacs" - Chill
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
May 03 2010 06:17 GMT
#3
You should watch The Wire. No suspension required.

[image loading]
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50242 Posts
May 03 2010 06:20 GMT
#4
you were watching bones weren't you?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Ikiron
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States88 Posts
May 03 2010 06:22 GMT
#5
.....That was a episode of Bones....Grave Digger Episode, hahah. From what I remember they said it was "laser pointer" Its a fake show in the sense that most of it is pure hot air. I believe Jason Statham did the same thing in Trasporter 3 where he used the air in the tires to breath a little bit longer.
Why be the best when you can die like the rest.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
May 03 2010 06:33 GMT
#6
On May 03 2010 15:17 snotboogie wrote:
You should watch The Wire. No suspension required.


Watching HBO shows spoils you. The production value, writing, acting, etc... is all so high that when you try to watch other series they just don't stand up. The Wire, Rome, Deadwood, Sopranos, and other great shows have condemned me to a life of reruns while waiting for new HBO shows instead of watching anything on cable or networks.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
jgju
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States454 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 06:43:36
May 03 2010 06:41 GMT
#7
On May 03 2010 15:17 snotboogie wrote:
You should watch The Wire. No suspension required.

[image loading]


Problem solved. Elegantly, too.

The depth and realism that went into the wire puts it on a level completely apart from most crime tv shows.
"For you biting zealots, here's a quote" - Lauryn Hill
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
May 03 2010 07:36 GMT
#8
On May 03 2010 15:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2010 15:17 snotboogie wrote:
You should watch The Wire. No suspension required.


Watching HBO shows spoils you. The production value, writing, acting, etc... is all so high that when you try to watch other series they just don't stand up. The Wire, Rome, Deadwood, Sopranos, and other great shows have condemned me to a life of reruns while waiting for new HBO shows instead of watching anything on cable or networks.


This is so true. You shouldn't watch The Wire unless you're ready to see through just about every TV show out there.

Now, instead of watching crime shows (except for Breaking Bad, which is the exception that proves the rule), I just rewatch The Wire. It's a blessing and a curse, I'm afraid.
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 07:51:35
May 03 2010 07:48 GMT
#9
if you are having trouble with crap TV then i suggest:

the wire or twin peaks.. maybe deadwood, six feet under, or carnivale

i bought "the pacific" dvd here a couple days ago and was just like "wtf is this crap war drama... recycled themes and characters, no perspective from the jap side, just the typical "war is hell but we gotta do it. america fuck yea" propaganda.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
May 03 2010 09:00 GMT
#10
leave bones alone.

jerk.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
M155_G33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States470 Posts
May 03 2010 13:08 GMT
#11
Bones is an OK show but I stopped watching it because of that. It always trys to over dramatize simple facts. Plus it's easier to figure out the killer Compared to other CSI shows
"It can't be a NE Lan without any problems!" ~ "Starcraft is like sex. After a rough round, sometimes you just need that cigarette."
Sonnet
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Ireland39 Posts
May 03 2010 23:42 GMT
#12
To me this show has posed a problem,
For anthropology I've studied,
And plumbed the depths of those doldrums,
By which the field seems accompanied

Yet not for me those thrilling chases,
The screech of tires and gunshot's crack,
Apply social theory in strange new places,
Then write it all up when I get back

A sorry affair for us indeed,
Pity then the anthropologist,
For never has it been decreed,
That we require an apologist

Allow me then to wholly decry,
The pseudoscience that you descry

The greatest burden a man must bear is choosing being understood over metrical footing :(
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 411
mcanning 145
SC2Nice 35
Dewaltoss 4
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 2118
Jaedong 1655
Flash 1391
EffOrt 643
Mini 507
Stork 455
Soulkey 303
ZerO 235
actioN 225
Snow 224
[ Show more ]
Larva 187
ggaemo 146
hero 138
Mind 118
Rush 110
Barracks 99
Mong 84
Movie 62
Hyun 57
Soma 52
PianO 52
Sharp 41
Nal_rA 37
sorry 35
sSak 34
JYJ34
yabsab 32
JulyZerg 28
zelot 21
Shine 19
HiyA 15
soO 14
Sacsri 12
SilentControl 8
Terrorterran 6
ajuk12(nOOB) 5
ivOry 4
Dota 2
qojqva4865
Dendi1400
420jenkins498
League of Legends
Reynor71
Counter-Strike
byalli301
oskar167
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 83
Other Games
FrodaN884
crisheroes388
ceh9304
Lowko288
Sick159
SortOf125
Mew2King117
Trikslyr57
QueenE54
MindelVK20
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 23
• LUISG 6
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3407
• WagamamaTV688
League of Legends
• Nemesis3477
• Jankos1556
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
7h 45m
LiuLi Cup
18h 45m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 17h
RSL Revival
1d 17h
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
Maestros of the Game
2 days
OSC
2 days
MaNa vs SHIN
SKillous vs ShoWTimE
Bunny vs TBD
Cham vs TBD
RSL Revival
2 days
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
Maestros of the Game
3 days
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
GuMiho vs Cham
ByuN vs TriGGeR
Cosmonarchy
3 days
TriGGeR vs YoungYakov
YoungYakov vs HonMonO
HonMonO vs TriGGeR
Maestros of the Game
4 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Bunny
Creator vs Zoun
Maestros of the Game
5 days
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
Sisters' Call Cup
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.