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JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
April 11 2010 06:32 GMT
#21
your analysis is very very good and quite deep I have to say O_O
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 06:33:35
April 11 2010 06:33 GMT
#22
I refuse to believe a B+ can get 23-11. Must have had his friend play on his acc several times...

Edit: Of course, if it's Combat-EX I'd believe anything from 25-0 vs D's to 70-100
@KawaiiRiceLighT
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 06:34:23
April 11 2010 06:33 GMT
#23
On April 11 2010 15:28 JoeSaddles wrote:
didn't realize you checked their games also.. alright then the only thing that I disagree with is that LostChild and Galford should both be considered C+ or players (especially galford)

ur prolly right about lostchild

galford is 3-3 this season vs C- when u played him, previous season B+? that strongly suggests someone played on his account. even if it was him, hes clearly nowhere near B+ shape now, going 50% winrate vs C- players :p

even assuming galford is C (he's C- now) amended record for u looks like:
6-0 vs D-
4-0 vs D
8-0 vs D+
16-7 vs C-
2-2 vs C
1-2 vs C+

u still belong at highest, C rank

nothing 2 be ashamed of there, C is a great rank. i never got to C, 90% of ppl don't get as high as C-.
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 06:40:09
April 11 2010 06:34 GMT
#24
you also have to take into consideration that you would have to check the records of every player HE lost to in order to see the quality of C- players that beat him, and then check the stats of the ones that beat them, etc.

it's very mathematical and precise quite impressive O_O
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 06:35:11
April 11 2010 06:34 GMT
#25
On April 11 2010 15:33 baller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2010 15:28 JoeSaddles wrote:
didn't realize you checked their games also.. alright then the only thing that I disagree with is that LostChild and Galford should both be considered C+ or players (especially galford)

ur prolly right about lostchild

galford is 3-3 this season vs C- when u played him, previous season B+? that strongly suggests someone played on his account. even if it was him, hes clearly nowhere near B+ shape now, going 50% winrate vs C- players :p

even assuming galford is C (he's C- now) amended record for u looks like:
Show nested quote +
6-0 vs D-
4-0 vs D
8-0 vs D+
16-7 vs C-
2-2 vs C
1-2 vs C+

u still belong at highest, C rank

nothing 2 be ashamed of there, C is a great rank. i never got to C, 90% of ppl don't get as high as C-.


yeh I agree I think maybe someone played on his account also, I played really sloppy in that PvP don't think he is a B player either
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
April 11 2010 06:38 GMT
#26
That's really good work and a good point how you can show that people with "flashy" records don't really belong at certain ranks, they just beat up on lower competition to get there..

I also agree that the one dude I played who was like 195-195 was definitely one of the best players I've played, even though records should say otherwise...

really really sick analysis I can't wait till tomorrow so I can try to play more C players
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
April 11 2010 06:40 GMT
#27
On April 11 2010 15:34 JoeSaddles wrote:


you also have to take into consideration that you would have to check the records of every player HE lost to in order to see the quality of C- players that beat him, and then check the stats of the ones that beat them, etc.

it's very mathematical and precise but I think it's being biased against a few other factors

no?

galford's 11 losses:

1. C (41-10, Saddles, you!)
2. C- (101-135), barely C- 3043
3. C- (89-119)
4. C- (19-2) probably C
5. C- (38-37)
6. C (29-9) possibly C+
7. C (35-26) between C-/C
8. C (51-37)
9. C- (no rec, but seems better than C-, probably C)
10. D (13-13) probably D+
11. C- (61-62)


he's not B+, not even close. he's probably C-, C at best
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 06:43:41
April 11 2010 06:41 GMT
#28
On April 11 2010 15:38 JoeSaddles wrote:
That's really good work and a good point how you can show that people with "flashy" records don't really belong at certain ranks, they just beat up on lower competition to get there..

I also agree that the one dude I played who was like 195-195 was definitely one of the best players I've played, even though records should say otherwise...

really really sick analysis I can't wait till tomorrow so I can try to play more C players

word, play more ppl who r actually C and see what record u get. i give u respekt, this is how a man plays brood wars.

all these dumb blogs where ppl post oh i got 2 B- or oh im B+ player, 99% of those guys r not actually that rank. they just like pretty stats. i wish ICC would just erase all ur stats once u reach a new rank, then u'd really see true ranks.
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
April 11 2010 06:44 GMT
#29
On April 11 2010 15:40 baller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2010 15:34 JoeSaddles wrote:


you also have to take into consideration that you would have to check the records of every player HE lost to in order to see the quality of C- players that beat him, and then check the stats of the ones that beat them, etc.

it's very mathematical and precise but I think it's being biased against a few other factors

no?

galford's 11 losses:

Show nested quote +
1. C (41-10, Saddles, you!)
2. C- (101-135), barely C- 3043
3. C- (89-119)
4. C- (19-2) probably C
5. C- (38-37)
6. C (29-9) possibly C+
7. C (35-26) between C-/C
8. C (51-37)
9. C- (no rec, but seems better than C-, probably C)
10. D (13-13) probably D+
11. C- (61-62)


he's not B+, not even close. he's probably C-, C at best


yeh agreed I deleted my rep vs him and my post about him, I was just going off blind info instead of digging deeper
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 06:49:03
April 11 2010 06:48 GMT
#30
I think since a lot of ppl might read your analysis you should amend my record on the front page vs C+ players to 1-2 =)
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
April 11 2010 06:51 GMT
#31
On April 11 2010 15:48 JoeSaddles wrote:
I think since a lot of ppl might read your analysis you should amend my record on the front page vs C+ players to 1-2 =)

yah ok thats only fair
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 06:55:38
April 11 2010 06:53 GMT
#32
wow for sure I'm definitely going off feel of the game from now on instead of just worrying about records...

I thought that natedrive guy was the best I've played and I think he definitely is,

his next 5 games after I won vs him he has gone 5-0 and slaughtered a few ppl in mere minutes

I'm very glad that I played a long , legitimate macro game vs him..... gives me some hope that i can still play "normal" style instead of just winning with cheese/ all-in or rush etc


http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
April 11 2010 07:10 GMT
#33
baller seems overly invested in saddles iccup endeavors.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
April 11 2010 07:19 GMT
#34
awesome job saddles! nice to see people improving =]
keep us updated with new blogs please
Entusman #12
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
April 11 2010 07:26 GMT
#35
--- Nuked ---
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-11 07:31:52
April 11 2010 07:26 GMT
#36
hmm you're masturbating to match list far too early, reminds me of myself when I could never break the C+ barrier. I'd speculate about how many B-/B rank players I beat to get to C+ and suggested I was good enough to get those ranks.

Then some months later I mass gamed and realised I really couldn't break the C+ barrier, then finally after having stopped analysing my match list and just played the damned game I ended up getting to B- with an 85% win ratio and I could repeat this time and time again eventually getting B with a decent ratio.
It's better to burn out than to fade away
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
April 11 2010 07:29 GMT
#37
On April 11 2010 16:26 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
hmm you're masturbating to match list far too early, reminds me of myself when I could never break the C+ barrier. I'd speculate about how many B-/B rank players I beat to get to C+ and suggested I was good enough to get those ranks.

Then some months later I mass gamed and realised I really couldn't break the C+ barrier, then finally after having stopped analysing my match list and just played the damn game I ended up getting to B- with an 85% win ratio and I could repeat this time and time again eventually getting B with a decent ratio.

sure, every1 gets to B+ with 80% win ratio in "past seasons"
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
April 11 2010 07:32 GMT
#38
You missed my point completely, how did you manage to do that?
It's better to burn out than to fade away
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
April 11 2010 15:52 GMT
#39
On April 11 2010 16:26 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
hmm you're masturbating to match list far too early, reminds me of myself when I could never break the C+ barrier. I'd speculate about how many B-/B rank players I beat to get to C+ and suggested I was good enough to get those ranks.

Then some months later I mass gamed and realised I really couldn't break the C+ barrier, then finally after having stopped analysing my match list and just played the damned game I ended up getting to B- with an 85% win ratio and I could repeat this time and time again eventually getting B with a decent ratio.


I'm having trouble believing this ... link to account that shows B rank in past season??

B- with 85% win ratio?? thats like 55-12...........
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
April 11 2010 16:02 GMT
#40
On April 12 2010 00:52 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2010 16:26 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
hmm you're masturbating to match list far too early, reminds me of myself when I could never break the C+ barrier. I'd speculate about how many B-/B rank players I beat to get to C+ and suggested I was good enough to get those ranks.

Then some months later I mass gamed and realised I really couldn't break the C+ barrier, then finally after having stopped analysing my match list and just played the damned game I ended up getting to B- with an 85% win ratio and I could repeat this time and time again eventually getting B with a decent ratio.


I'm having trouble believing this ... link to account that shows B rank in past season??

B- with 85% win ratio?? thats like 55-12...........


http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/KawaiiRice.html
These things actually exist yo
@KawaiiRiceLighT
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