Lately, I've been hanging out with this girl A LOT. We love hanging with each other. Before she left at like 1:00 am (we were watching Dexter) we made out. Soon i learned that she can't get over her boyfriend that she broke up with a couple months ago. He was a real bitch to her anyway and I don't understand why she can't just get him out of her mind! When she told me she still wanted to be with her ex (even though he didn't want to) it definitely saddened me. It seems like we have potential so why isn't she willing? She told me later that day that she wished everything worked out (I'm guessing that we could go out and everything would be peachy keen).
Is it greedy of me to feel this way? I want her to be happy but i don't understand her reasoning!
Why would she want to stay with somebody that was a total dick to her? Why would she give up the possibility of us being in a committed relationship, even though we have a lot of potential?
Girls are so confusing T_T. As well as my blog post. hopefully you guys dont get confused reading it ;D
Don't sweat it. Girls come and goes. Actually even wife comes and goes these days. Just don't pressure her too hard the relation ship might last longer. And always protect your self, if you know what I mean.
T_T. You should start showing some interest in other girls even in front of her to show that if she isn't going to be committed to a solid relationship, you can leave her easily.
On April 06 2010 14:29 Person514cs wrote: Don't sweat it. Girls come and goes. Actually even wife comes and goes these days. Just don't pressure her too hard the relation ship might last longer. And always protect your self, if you know what I mean.
Man, don't think like that. I am going to marry one girl and only her only :D
On April 06 2010 14:23 echo_O wrote: Why would she want to stay with somebody that was a total dick to her?
Oh boy.
Much to learn you have.
Trying to put it as bluntly as I can... sure, he is probably an asshole, but he's also probably something you're not; an alpha male. You, on the other hand, are a pussy.
Not very PC with the wording I know, but I'm hoping you get my point.
Her telling you that she wanted to be with her ex was a test, and your reaction of 'it saddened me' is you flunking the test. Crashing and burning.
I mean, even the fact that you post:
"Is it greedy of me to feel this way? I want her to be happy but i don't understand her reasoning!"
Pretty much sums it up right there. It is 100% a mentality of weakness, of being a follower. This is an absolute turn-off and deal breaker for women. THEY like being the followers, they want a strong-willed man to take charge of the situation, something you didn't do.
You need to be more assertive. You need to take more control. You need to be the driving force. Instead of wallowing in self-pity tossing around lame ass cliched ideas ("Why do women want to be with assholes???"), you should try to change yourself. Be more dominant.
I don't want you to feel like I'm sitting here bashing you by the way. I myself was in your shoes. I was fucking wallowing in it all through highschool. I was the goddamn pussy, and I fucking loathed everyone who wasn't. Until I changed myself (hey, it started with liquid courage for me, but whatever works for you), and now I'm happily married. I'm willing to bet most guys have been in your shoes at some point.
Stop hoping/waiting for something to happen. Make it happen.
EDIT - Oh, important disclaimer. Being an alphamale doesn't mean you can't also be a nice guy. The problem is, when talking about relationships, most of the time "nice guy" is synonymous with "total pussy".
The "nice guys finish last" line is one of the most delusional, self-commiserating statements I've ever heard. And it's always uttered by the same people.
I think you should secretly videotape an interaction between you two and post it on TL, so we can analyze the footage and give you accurate advice.
In response to your questions I would just say, love isn't rational. Just because things seem like they should work out doesn't mean anything. Nobody can control their feelings so that they can love the person they seem most compatible with on paper.
On April 06 2010 15:05 TommyGG wrote: In response to your questions I would just say, love isn't rational. Just because things seem like they should work out doesn't mean anything. Nobody can control their feelings so that they can love the person they seem most compatible with on paper.
Nah, that's crap. I already pointed out what the problem is, has nothing to do with love.
On April 06 2010 15:05 TommyGG wrote: I think you should secretly videotape an interaction between you two and post it on TL, so we can analyze the footage and give you accurate advice.
On April 06 2010 15:05 TommyGG wrote: I think you should secretly videotape an interaction between you two and post it on TL, so we can analyze the footage and give you accurate advice.
I feel like this is just a sneaky way of asking for pics.
some people like to be with abusive folks. it reminds them of their parents. you do not want to get involved with this type of girl... she lacks self-esteem which should be a turn-off to healthy young men such as yourself.
Please don't listen to other people's bad advice. I am engaged and feel like I have made some significant steps towards understanding women (still don't have it figured out, obviously)
even if you are looking for advice in the wrong spot, it doesn't mean I won't try to help someone out.
Why would she want to stay with somebody that was a total dick to her?
You have to understand that women are motivated by different things than men. A guy is turned on by visual stimulii (obviously) and from being impressed/gaining respect for a girl. i.e. it is sexy when girl is funny or good at sports or can play an instrument etc.
A girl is turned on by emotional connection and a feeling of being protected by a guy. Even if her last boyfriend was a dick, she probably experienced some of that emotional connection and feelings of protection.
If you notice, a guy's stimulii is almost immediate whereas a girl's is something that takes time. A girl will be more turned on by a relationship with a guy the longer she is in it (generally speaking, not always) whereas a guy generally reaches peak attraction right near the beginning of a relationship. So this girl is probably still experiencing a withdraw of those stimulii, which she can't experience right away with you, while you are hitting full stride in terms of attraction.
My advice: give it time. If you continue to develop trust in the relationship and let her experience the way you feel about her long enough, she will probably experience the same(or greater) desire for you that she felt for the last guy she was with. By then she may even start to seem clingly and you will be making a blog post about why your girlfriend always wants you to be spending more time with her when you just want to play some SC.
Why would she give up the possibility of us being in a committed relationship, even though we have a lot of potential?
I think I already mostly answered this. Seriously, though, be patient. getting over a relationship takes time. You probably don't want a relationship with someone who isn't really into you. She she isn't giving up on all future relationships, but she can't just force herself to feel a certain way.
also, I should point out that ETT and other's posts were written while I was writing mine. Didn't mean to say they were giving you bad advice necessarily.
There are seeds of truth in ETT's advice, but be careful how you interpret it. Being a dominant male doesn't mean busting down the door and "making her your bitch" or any stupid shit like that. Guys do have to be the catalyst in a relationship, though. You really should be very clear about your intentions. Tell her that you are interested and that you think she needs to get over her dick boyfriend. Be straight up about it. Don't, however, force the issue on her too much. A girl is turned on when she feels "safe" with a guy. A girl will feel safe with a more dominant man (since he can protect her) but not one that forces her into bad situations(like giving her a deadline or something like that)
On April 06 2010 15:25 petered wrote: also, I should point out that ETT and other's posts were written while I was writing mine. Didn't mean to say they were giving you bad advice necessarily.
^_^
There are seeds of truth in ETT's advice, but be careful how you interpret it. Being a dominant male doesn't mean busting down the door and "making her your bitch" or any stupid shit like that.
Absolutely, and I'm actually glad you're following this up with a softer-toned approach than I did. I had hoped my first edit cleared up this fact... it's not my intent for him to start going up and smacking her around or something
Guys do have to be the catalyst in a relationship, though.
10000000000%
You managed to sum up my entire rant/post in a single line.
You really should be very clear about your intentions. Tell her that you are interested and that you think she needs to get over her dick boyfriend. Be straight up about it. Don't, however, force the issue on her too much. A girl is turned on when she feels "safe" with a guy. A girl will feel safe with a more dominant man (since he can protect her) but not one that forces her into bad situations(like giving her a deadline or something like that)
Again, agreed completely. I think the worst thing he could do is give her an ultimatum or something silly like that. Women are definitely very delicate creatures that you have to be very careful with.
well normally I don't care and hook up with chicks (not trying to brag, dont be a dick and post stuff about it) but i feel different around her. I never have this mentality. EVER. so maybe there is something? I dunno just kind of lost atm
On April 06 2010 15:46 echo_O wrote: well normally I don't care and hook up with chicks (not trying to brag, dont be a dick and post stuff about it) but i feel different around her. I never have this mentality. EVER. so maybe there is something? I dunno just kind of lost atm
ETT I have a lot to learn from you =p
and I'm 17 btw
Tbh - The problem here probably is just that... you feel different around her, so it's making you try to act a different way. My advice is to not treat her that differently than you would other girls you've linked up with. I'm not saying to have your way and not call her the next morning or anything, but it sounds like you're placing a lot of emphasis on how she'll feel about you/the situation, which is actually doing you a disservice. Show as much interest in her as you do those other girls - If she truly cares, she'll put out some effort to make sure you know. If she doesn't, oh well, you're only fucking 17, go out and enjoy life.
On April 06 2010 16:04 Koiru wrote: How old exactly ARE you ETT?
In exactly 10 more days I'll be 26. However, I'm married... that automatically adds on 15 years to my life. My wife claims she has spotted gray hairs already. I affectionately call them Krissy hairs (her name, obv), as every single time she does something that defies all logic/reason and drives me insane; a new hair crops up. This is pretty much a daily occurrence btw.
On April 06 2010 15:18 petered wrote: If you notice, a guy's stimulii is almost immediate whereas a girl's is something that takes time.
What? No. Most of it is right away! You don't gotta wait man.
On April 06 2010 15:01 EvilTeletubby wrote: Pretty much sums it up right there. It is 100% a mentality of weakness, of being a follower. This is an absolute turn-off and deal breaker for women. THEY like being the followers, they want a strong-willed man to take charge of the situation, something you didn't do.
You need to be more assertive. You need to take more control. You need to be the driving force. Instead of wallowing in self-pity tossing around lame ass cliched ideas ("Why do women want to be with assholes???"), you should try to change yourself. Be more dominant.
Yeah. Take what you want. If you go balls out and show this girl who you are and who you want to be, not who you think you should be or anything else that comes from outside, you will be successful.
Remember: -There are always more women -You don't need this girl but you like having her around and think she'll add to your life -Whenever sex comes up, say something bold and funny. If she ever brings it up and seems embarrassed or anything let her know that you won't judge her, but you will make fun of her
If you have any thoughts or barriers you're putting up for yourself like "I'm not that type of guy" get rid of them. You can be that guy. It seems ridiculous, and it is, but you'll have a moment where you'll honestly realize for the first time its just a change in perspective. You'll be like "wait, thats it? it was that easy?" just keep truckin' till you get there
now with this gal, be blunt and honest with yourself: You want to take her. And you want it to be consistent.
now remember, she's a girl. she wants a guy to take her, and she wants him to be consistent.
when ETT says be dominant, yadi-yadda, its easy to read but hard to translate into actions if you don't get it
-when she brings up her ex, don't bash him. ignore her, don't acknowledge him. don't let her know you think about him, or better yet forget he exists. bring the focus back to you and her. just because she asks you a question or brings up a topic doesnt mean you have to answer or acknowledge it -do shit with her that you enjoy because its who you are. nerdy as hell but I've had girls over to watch me play sc. since I have a genuine interest in it and i just blab happily along the whole time, they get into it too. they love it, and i do too. I'm sharing my life with them so they feel much closer to me. the fact that I'm willing to do it with something like sc, and that it was a good time, only speaks volumes about how comfortable I am with myself. im not saying you need to play sc, but that you need to share what you love with her. she'll reciprocate -when you're kissing her or whatever you're doing, crank it up. go further. if she stops you, stop. stay where you are then try again in a little bit -being dominant truly means that she's the one reacting to you. if she says "gosh I'm so stupid" you want to tell her that she's not. thats fine, but do it in the right way. you say "you just noticed?" then when she gets offended or insecure or better yet just looks at you like "what?" smirk at her and go "I'm just kidding. you're the only girl I know who can [some mistake she made earlier]" you're implying that shes not but making fun of her cuz she's being insecure -unless you both agree to be exclusive, see other girls too. If you think I'm kidding, I'm not. I'm serious.
I will add that since she is not interested in committing with you, she made out with you likely because she is insecure of herself. Perhaps everything she has done/said was a test like ETT suggests. Maybe she wants to see if you will pursue her. Maybe she is just messing around. Who knows for sure; chicks mindfuck guys all the time because they like control.
But as it stands, she is keeping the ball in her court and possibly setting you up to string you along. If you find yourself being called out by her at her convenience (and paying for shit), but she is never able to make the time when you try to set something up, then you are being strung/whipped/led around like a dog. You could very well end up being just a backup/rebound kind of guy.
I'm sorry but I don't agree with the above poster petered advising to be patient. It shouldn't be up to her to ultimately decide whether a relationship is a go. It should be about you. You need to tell her straight up that you are interested in a serious relationship. Since we know that she isn't b/c she isn't over her old boyfriend, then move on. Don't waste your time/effort and push for something that might not bear any fruit.
Seriously, she spends a lot of time with you/shares her feelings/makes out with you then tells you she can't get over her boyfriend? What a lame excuse. She is placing you in her friend zone if you ask me. At the same time, you are PUTTING YOURSELF in there too. Get out.
There are plenty of reasons why chicks like assholes and not "nice guys." They are unpredictable/hard to figure out, they are exciting, they attract a lot of other girls' attention. Just google it and learn. Visit Askmen.com, lots of info there. You need to have that alpha male aura about you. Be confident. Don't spill your emotions to her like a goddamn chick.
Sorry for babbling, this topic just gets me going.
Also OP, you say this "Is it greedy of me to feel this way? I want her to be happy but i don't understand her reasoning!" You need to think of your own happiness, not hers. I don't mean to be offensive about anything I've written. Take it how you please. I'm just trying to keeps it reals and genuinely want help you. I didn't write out this crap for nothing!
On April 06 2010 15:01 EvilTeletubby wrote: Until I changed myself (hey, it started with liquid courage for me, but whatever works for you), and now I'm happily married. I'm willing to bet most guys have been in your shoes at some point.
On April 06 2010 15:01 EvilTeletubby wrote: Until I changed myself (hey, it started with liquid courage for me, but whatever works for you), and now I'm happily married. I'm willing to bet most guys have been in your shoes at some point.
On April 06 2010 14:23 echo_O wrote: Why would she want to stay with somebody that was a total dick to her?
Oh boy.
Much to learn you have.
Trying to put it as bluntly as I can... sure, he is probably an asshole, but he's also probably something you're not; an alpha male. You, on the other hand, are a pussy.
Not very PC with the wording I know, but I'm hoping you get my point.
Her telling you that she wanted to be with her ex was a test, and your reaction of 'it saddened me' is you flunking the test. Crashing and burning.
I mean, even the fact that you post:
"Is it greedy of me to feel this way? I want her to be happy but i don't understand her reasoning!"
Pretty much sums it up right there. It is 100% a mentality of weakness, of being a follower. This is an absolute turn-off and deal breaker for women. THEY like being the followers, they want a strong-willed man to take charge of the situation, something you didn't do.
You need to be more assertive. You need to take more control. You need to be the driving force. Instead of wallowing in self-pity tossing around lame ass cliched ideas ("Why do women want to be with assholes???"), you should try to change yourself. Be more dominant.
I don't want you to feel like I'm sitting here bashing you by the way. I myself was in your shoes. I was fucking wallowing in it all through highschool. I was the goddamn pussy, and I fucking loathed everyone who wasn't. Until I changed myself (hey, it started with liquid courage for me, but whatever works for you), and now I'm happily married. I'm willing to bet most guys have been in your shoes at some point.
Stop hoping/waiting for something to happen. Make it happen.
EDIT - Oh, important disclaimer. Being an alphamale doesn't mean you can't also be a nice guy. The problem is, when talking about relationships, most of the time "nice guy" is synonymous with "total pussy".
The "nice guys finish last" line is one of the most delusional, self-commiserating statements I've ever heard. And it's always uttered by the same people.
i think what bother most guys are that they can be dominating but dont like to, because they dont know where the limit goes. Like if you have no experience with girls you dont know if you can do this or this. And you are told that girls are vulnerable creatures. It was even mentioned in this thread:
On April 06 2010 17:22 Turbovolver wrote: Only ugly guys have to be catalysts.
Looks on a guy mean shit. literally nothing.
Well, looks can help some if you don't have game; there will be some women who are intrigued enough to at least approach you, you still have to take over from there though. But for the most part, yeah, being good looking isn't going to make it any difference unless its giving you more confidence.
On April 06 2010 15:01 EvilTeletubby wrote: Until I changed myself (hey, it started with liquid courage for me, but whatever works for you), and now I'm happily married. I'm willing to bet most guys have been in your shoes at some point.
lol! are you telling me that every time a guy marries a gal she'll become fat and you'll become unhappy with the sex? rofl no! life can be better! you just gotta set it up for yourself
in all that guys stuff he finds little nuggets of social truth and coats them in BULLSHIT! he sounds like he sits around thinking about the few times he did things instead of doing it and most of his life revolves around "what ifs". I find myself thinking "no it doesn't have to be like that!" every sentence I read of his. he says some good stuff but then coats it in unhelpful judgement and assertions he is in no place to make.
On April 06 2010 17:05 {88}iNcontroL wrote: btw she made out with you while thinking about "him"
i mean unless you're 500 pound or annorexic or you have some horrible scarring that makes you look like a dinosaur, as long as you groom right you'll be fine.
but yeah, from what I've seen of your posting you're fucked.
On April 07 2010 09:49 KurtistheTurtle wrote: i mean unless you're 500 pound or annorexic or you have some horrible scarring that makes you look like a dinosaur, as long as you groom right you'll be fine.
but yeah, from what I've seen of your posting you're fucked.
lol im jk :D
YOU BETTER BE! I feel glad and annoyed at the same time that I am going into 8th grade now(will be there next year) and today I just started becoming both 1. more assertive and 2. Like all the other 8th grade JErKS! I prided myself for not being a jerk like them. Now I am quite sad and yet I'm glad that I'm becoming more assertive, is this normal?
On April 07 2010 09:49 KurtistheTurtle wrote: i mean unless you're 500 pound or annorexic or you have some horrible scarring that makes you look like a dinosaur, as long as you groom right you'll be fine.
but yeah, from what I've seen of your posting you're fucked.
lol im jk :D
YOU BETTER BE! I feel glad and annoyed at the same time that I am going into 8th grade now(will be there next year) and today I just started becoming both 1. more assertive and 2. Like all the other 8th grade JErKS! I prided myself for not being a jerk like them. Now I am quite sad and yet I'm glad that I'm becoming more assertive, is this normal?
do not change who you are to be 'cool'
you definitely should pride yourself in not being a jerk
the best way to deal with (and get the better of) all the assholes and jerks in school is to show them you really don't give a fuck by ignoring them and/or looking at them like they don't exist in your world
only be assertive to the point where no one can fuck with u and ur shit, but never to the point where ur fucking on someone else
keep it real and the ladies will come. have faith.
On April 07 2010 09:49 KurtistheTurtle wrote: i mean unless you're 500 pound or annorexic or you have some horrible scarring that makes you look like a dinosaur, as long as you groom right you'll be fine.
but yeah, from what I've seen of your posting you're fucked.
lol im jk :D
YOU BETTER BE! I feel glad and annoyed at the same time that I am going into 8th grade now(will be there next year) and today I just started becoming both 1. more assertive and 2. Like all the other 8th grade JErKS! I prided myself for not being a jerk like them. Now I am quite sad and yet I'm glad that I'm becoming more assertive, is this normal?
do not change who you are to be 'cool'
you definitely should pride yourself in not being a jerk
the best way to deal with (and get the better of) all the assholes and jerks in school is to show them you really don't give a fuck by ignoring them and/or looking at them like they don't exist in your world
only be assertive to the point where no one can fuck with u and ur shit, but never to the point where ur fucking on someone else
keep it real and the ladies will come. have faith.
Damn this kid is lucky he's gettin advice from rek lolol
Let me explain something: The "jerks" and "assholes" seem like jerks and assholes to you because you are probably a nerd with no self confidence. When they look at people like that they think "lol look at this douche he doesn't have shit on me, im a higher status then him so i dont give a fuck about what he thinks". Thus they seem like dicks even though they are just more confident/good looking/whatever to attract girls and friends. Be dominant in your own way, it has nothing to do with being an asshole or a jerk. My point is that just because they seem a certain way to you doesn't mean anything about their true personality and attitude towards girls, they are just on a different level than you, have different influences and are probably "cooler".
Today's society is fucked up, you have to be super dominant to get what you want. Who wants a pushover in any aspect? People that say "be yourself" are right and wrong. You have to be careful towards what you define "self" as. Chances are high that you don;t know your true self yet considering you are in 8th grade and haven't experienced shit..
The best advice you are gonna get is: 1) Live life IN THE MOMENT and 2) LIVE LIFE FOR YOURSELF.
1) In the moment: This means that you need to learn how to appreciate every goddamn moment of your existence. Make it a priority to CONSTANTLY remind yourself to live in the present. Try your hardest in everything you do. What you do RIGHT now is all that matters because it builds your entire life every moment. there is no past or future, only NOW. This does NOT mean you don't refer to the past it just means you need to mostly think about RIGHT NOW... Write lists to remind yourself of things you gotta do if you have to. Do not dwell on things and don't dream too much, just live life!
2) Live for yourself: Do everything for yourself, be selfish but let people you like or love into your life. OWN life. People are LUCKY to know you, they are fortunate that you let them into your fucking awesome life. You are sick! Everything you do is awesome and heartfelt, you try hard at everything to improve your life. Girls LOVE this shit. They are attracted to self-centered guys that let them into their lives. What this means is that you should be fuckin awesome, confident in everything you do and really nice and sweet to the people you truly have feelings for, fuck everyone else. If you are a total asshole to everyone but a certain girl she sees that and thinks "wow he likes me! omg im gonna do everything I can to keep that up". That is where girls come to you and you just live your awesome fuckin life. Im pretty sure Rekrul understands this because he seems like a real cocksucker but i bet if he's your friends he's a great person.
On April 07 2010 10:52 Rekrul wrote: the whole cocksucker thing is an act to make people love me even more when they find out their preconceived notions were all wrong
duh
so you are actually a low self esteemed newb at life?
On April 07 2010 10:52 Rekrul wrote: the whole cocksucker thing is an act to make people love me even more when they find out their preconceived notions were all wrong
duh
so you are actually a low self esteemed newb at life?
i am selfless
i do not have any type of esteem for myself, high or low
i am fully aware of exactly who and what I am, my weaknesses and strengths
i empathize with everyone, i am aware of exactly who they are and how they feel, no matter how they act
people with overly high self esteem fear me because they know i know
people with low self esteem look up to me because they can feel that i don't pity them, and it inspires awe in them
On April 07 2010 10:52 Rekrul wrote: the whole cocksucker thing is an act to make people love me even more when they find out their preconceived notions were all wrong
duh
so you are actually a low self esteemed newb at life?
i am selfless
i do not have any type of esteem for myself, high or low
i am fully aware of exactly who and what I am, my weaknesses and strengths
i empathize with everyone, i am aware of exactly who they are and how they feel, no matter how they act
people with overly high self esteem fear me because they know i know
people with low self esteem look up to me because they can feel that i don't pity them, and it inspires awe in them
I AM THE WIND.
I see.. See I think that is what living in the moment is. You just.. Are..
On April 07 2010 10:52 Rekrul wrote: the whole cocksucker thing is an act to make people love me even more when they find out their preconceived notions were all wrong
duh
so you are actually a low self esteemed newb at life?
i am selfless
i do not have any type of esteem for myself, high or low
i am fully aware of exactly who and what I am, my weaknesses and strengths
i empathize with everyone, i am aware of exactly who they are and how they feel, no matter how they act
people with overly high self esteem fear me because they know i know
people with low self esteem look up to me because they can feel that i don't pity them, and it inspires awe in them
I AM THE WIND.
I see.. See I think that is what living in the moment is. You just.. Are..
totally
i mean
you could accidentally fart out loud in class
you could get all embarrassed red face and have ur day and social high school status ruined
or you could just live the moment and say happily 'sorry guys didnt mean to do that, definitely wont let it happen again' and be totally back in business
On April 07 2010 10:52 Rekrul wrote: the whole cocksucker thing is an act to make people love me even more when they find out their preconceived notions were all wrong
duh
so you are actually a low self esteemed newb at life?
i am selfless
i do not have any type of esteem for myself, high or low
i am fully aware of exactly who and what I am, my weaknesses and strengths
i empathize with everyone, i am aware of exactly who they are and how they feel, no matter how they act
people with overly high self esteem fear me because they know i know
people with low self esteem look up to me because they can feel that i don't pity them, and it inspires awe in them
I AM THE WIND.
I see.. See I think that is what living in the moment is. You just.. Are..
totally
i mean
you could accidentally fart out loud in class
you could get all embarrassed red face and have ur day and social high school status ruined
or you could just live the moment and say happily 'sorry guys didnt mean to do that, definitely wont let it happen again' and be totally back in business
good example. People enjoy people that are just content with life for sure.
On April 07 2010 11:13 Yammiez wrote: You're 17?! Omg I'm 22 and have worst problems than you. Some of the advice here I've heard for more than 4 years.
So...
1) You can't be bothered/don't care enough to make the necessary changes, or
2) You don't know how to make the necessary changes?
And yeah for what it's worth Rek is actually an über stand-up guy, probably one of the best guys to have on your side IRL but his image won't make you think that right away. Like I said earlier it's possible to still be a 'nice guy' but an alpha male. Just gotta know when to be assertive and when to let things roll. It's a learning process like everything else.
On April 07 2010 11:13 Yammiez wrote: You're 17?! Omg I'm 22 and have worst problems than you. Some of the advice here I've heard for more than 4 years.
So...
1) You can't be bothered/don't care enough to make the necessary changes, or
2) You don't know how to make the necessary changes?
And yeah for what it's worth Rek is actually an über stand-up guy, probably one of the best guys to have on your side IRL but his image won't make you think that right away. Like I said earlier it's possible to still be a 'nice guy' but an alpha male. Just gotta know when to be assertive and when to let things roll. It's a learning process like everything else.
I'm making the changes, but that's got to wait until after exams. My friends tell me I'll have my foot in the door with an engineering ring, a degree on my wall and (probably) a solid technical job with money rolling in. Also helps that I've been working out, actually gaining muscle and learning to do crazy things with my body.
For now I'm just caught up on that 'One' girl... and finishing up school.
On April 07 2010 09:49 KurtistheTurtle wrote: i mean unless you're 500 pound or annorexic or you have some horrible scarring that makes you look like a dinosaur, as long as you groom right you'll be fine.
but yeah, from what I've seen of your posting you're fucked.
lol im jk :D
YOU BETTER BE! I feel glad and annoyed at the same time that I am going into 8th grade now(will be there next year) and today I just started becoming both 1. more assertive and 2. Like all the other 8th grade JErKS! I prided myself for not being a jerk like them. Now I am quite sad and yet I'm glad that I'm becoming more assertive, is this normal?
do not change who you are to be 'cool'
you definitely should pride yourself in not being a jerk
the best way to deal with (and get the better of) all the assholes and jerks in school is to show them you really don't give a fuck by ignoring them and/or looking at them like they don't exist in your world
only be assertive to the point where no one can fuck with u and ur shit, but never to the point where ur fucking on someone else
keep it real and the ladies will come. have faith.
Damn this kid is lucky he's gettin advice from rek lolol
Let me explain something: The "jerks" and "assholes" seem like jerks and assholes to you because you are probably a nerd with no self confidence. When they look at people like that they think "lol look at this douche he doesn't have shit on me, im a higher status then him so i dont give a fuck about what he thinks". Thus they seem like dicks even though they are just more confident/good looking/whatever to attract girls and friends. Be dominant in your own way, it has nothing to do with being an asshole or a jerk. My point is that just because they seem a certain way to you doesn't mean anything about their true personality and attitude towards girls, they are just on a different level than you, have different influences and are probably "cooler".
Today's society is fucked up, you have to be super dominant to get what you want. Who wants a pushover in any aspect? People that say "be yourself" are right and wrong. You have to be careful towards what you define "self" as. Chances are high that you don;t know your true self yet considering you are in 8th grade and haven't experienced shit..
The best advice you are gonna get is: 1) Live life IN THE MOMENT and 2) LIVE LIFE FOR YOURSELF.
1) In the moment: This means that you need to learn how to appreciate every goddamn moment of your existence. Make it a priority to CONSTANTLY remind yourself to live in the present. Try your hardest in everything you do. What you do RIGHT now is all that matters because it builds your entire life every moment. there is no past or future, only NOW. This does NOT mean you don't refer to the past it just means you need to mostly think about RIGHT NOW... Write lists to remind yourself of things you gotta do if you have to. Do not dwell on things and don't dream too much, just live life!
2) Live for yourself: Do everything for yourself, be selfish but let people you like or love into your life. OWN life. People are LUCKY to know you, they are fortunate that you let them into your fucking awesome life. You are sick! Everything you do is awesome and heartfelt, you try hard at everything to improve your life. Girls LOVE this shit. They are attracted to self-centered guys that let them into their lives. What this means is that you should be fuckin awesome, confident in everything you do and really nice and sweet to the people you truly have feelings for, fuck everyone else. If you are a total asshole to everyone but a certain girl she sees that and thinks "wow he likes me! omg im gonna do everything I can to keep that up". That is where girls come to you and you just live your awesome fuckin life. Im pretty sure Rekrul understands this because he seems like a real cocksucker but i bet if he's your friends he's a great person.
you are all faggots and pussies.
edit: ITS A JOKE HOLY SHIT
They are true jerks and assholes cause I have surrounded myself with friends that are girls and everyone says that they are jerks and every time I meet a new girl/ a girl asks what grade I'm in they answer that they are surprised I'm so nice since most 8th grade boys they know are total jerks.
I don't really care about people that are "cool" and I am a bit of a nerd but I'm both taller and stronger than most boys I know(except for some who's muscles look like they have had surgery done on them which ends up getting girls to stay away from them). 1 guy I know has no guy friends just girls and for some reason he seems to be every girls' best friend.
I understand what some other guys are already doing now. They are doing exactly what u gave me for advice. Thx for the great advice! Now, how do I ask a girl out in Middle school? I can't seem to wrap my brain around this.
Also, the reason I'm getting advice from Rek is because I'm just that awesome ;D.
lol! are you telling me that every time a guy marries a gal she'll become fat and you'll become unhappy with the sex? rofl no! life can be better! you just gotta set it up for yourself
in all that guys stuff he finds little nuggets of social truth and coats them in BULLSHIT! he sounds like he sits around thinking about the few times he did things instead of doing it and most of his life revolves around "what ifs". I find myself thinking "no it doesn't have to be like that!" every sentence I read of his. he says some good stuff but then coats it in unhelpful judgement and assertions he is in no place to make.
Pfft, haters gonna hate. Getting any pussy lately Kurtis?
lol! are you telling me that every time a guy marries a gal she'll become fat and you'll become unhappy with the sex? rofl no! life can be better! you just gotta set it up for yourself
in all that guys stuff he finds little nuggets of social truth and coats them in BULLSHIT! he sounds like he sits around thinking about the few times he did things instead of doing it and most of his life revolves around "what ifs". I find myself thinking "no it doesn't have to be like that!" every sentence I read of his. he says some good stuff but then coats it in unhelpful judgement and assertions he is in no place to make.
Pfft, haters gonna hate. Getting any pussy lately Kurtis?
Who the fuck is this guy anyway, and why is he insulting the great,wise turtle? Who, btw has 600+ posts to this guy's 36.
They are true jerks and assholes cause I have surrounded myself with friends that are girls and everyone says that they are jerks and every time I meet a new girl/ a girl asks what grade I'm in they answer that they are surprised I'm so nice since most 8th grade boys they know are total jerks.
I don't really care about people that are "cool" and I am a bit of a nerd but I'm both taller and stronger than most boys I know(except for some who's muscles look like they have had surgery done on them which ends up getting girls to stay away from them). 1 guy I know has no guy friends just girls and for some reason he seems to be every girls' best friend.
I understand what some other guys are already doing now. They are doing exactly what u gave me for advice. Thx for the great advice! Now, how do I ask a girl out in Middle school? I can't seem to wrap my brain around this.
Also, the reason I'm getting advice from Rek is because I'm just that awesome ;D.
Don't ask people out in middle school.. Let girls come after you man the harder you try the less it works. Plus middle school AND highschool relationships mean NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
True jerks and assholes? Girls that say stuff like that probably don;t mean it or can't handle the guys like that. Deep down they like it.. To a certain extent.
They are true jerks and assholes cause I have surrounded myself with friends that are girls and everyone says that they are jerks and every time I meet a new girl/ a girl asks what grade I'm in they answer that they are surprised I'm so nice since most 8th grade boys they know are total jerks.
I don't really care about people that are "cool" and I am a bit of a nerd but I'm both taller and stronger than most boys I know(except for some who's muscles look like they have had surgery done on them which ends up getting girls to stay away from them). 1 guy I know has no guy friends just girls and for some reason he seems to be every girls' best friend.
I understand what some other guys are already doing now. They are doing exactly what u gave me for advice. Thx for the great advice! Now, how do I ask a girl out in Middle school? I can't seem to wrap my brain around this.
Also, the reason I'm getting advice from Rek is because I'm just that awesome ;D.
Don't ask people out in middle school.. Let girls come after you man the harder you try the less it works. Plus middle school AND highschool relationships mean NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
True jerks and assholes? Girls that say stuff like that probably don;t mean it or can't handle the guys like that. Deep down they like it.. To a certain extent.
Your 1st paragraph reminds me of that "what would I say to my HS self" thread. So, your saying don't date till college?
Works out for the best. Why would you want to be with someone that obviously has no self-respect anyway (if this guy is a jackass)? Besides, being with a girl that's still all about her ex is fucking terrible. There is no worse experience than having her ex still in the scene and being silently (and during fights, not-so silently) compared to him in every way imaginable. Even if you are better than him, you're either a) initially intended as her rebound, b) being used to fill the time between her last break up and the next time she plans to get back with her ex, or c) being used to get the ex jealous. Anyway, you're 17. You'll learn. I didn't figure any of this out until I was 18. That sucked bad haha
They are true jerks and assholes cause I have surrounded myself with friends that are girls and everyone says that they are jerks and every time I meet a new girl/ a girl asks what grade I'm in they answer that they are surprised I'm so nice since most 8th grade boys they know are total jerks.
I don't really care about people that are "cool" and I am a bit of a nerd but I'm both taller and stronger than most boys I know(except for some who's muscles look like they have had surgery done on them which ends up getting girls to stay away from them). 1 guy I know has no guy friends just girls and for some reason he seems to be every girls' best friend.
I understand what some other guys are already doing now. They are doing exactly what u gave me for advice. Thx for the great advice! Now, how do I ask a girl out in Middle school? I can't seem to wrap my brain around this.
Also, the reason I'm getting advice from Rek is because I'm just that awesome ;D.
Don't ask people out in middle school.. Let girls come after you man the harder you try the less it works. Plus middle school AND highschool relationships mean NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
True jerks and assholes? Girls that say stuff like that probably don;t mean it or can't handle the guys like that. Deep down they like it.. To a certain extent.
Your 1st paragraph reminds me of that "what would I say to my HS self" thread. So, your saying don't date till college?
Yes and no. I am saying that you shouldn't take highschool and below seriously in terms of dating.. You have not experienced enough in life to know who you want to be with so just have a good time and don't get too committed because as soon as you hit college it is YOUR life that matters most. I did not say DON'T DATE IN HS, I said don't take it too seriously.
On April 06 2010 14:55 29 fps wrote: why did she make out with you if she still liked the other guy?
She kissed him to see if there was anything there. There was not, hence the whole "I made out with you but now I miss my ex" thing. She wishes that things COULD work with you because you're a "nice guy" and "we get along so well" but sadly, that's just not the way it works.
You are attracted to who you are attracted to, you can't really force it.
This might sound a bit ehm rude i gues but the only advise i can give you is get the fuck away from her! Tell her that you two shouldn´t meet until she is over her boyfriend. That is if you don´t want to ride on a emotional rollercaster wich rips you´re heart out every couple of months. Because i am on this rollercoaster since 2 and a half year now.And it has been 2 and a half years of three people continuingsly hurting each others to the point point where it´s gotten realy bad and i´m still not out of it. Well thinking back i don´t think i would have chossen not to get on this ride so yeah go ahead but be preapared to get hurt.
sorry for the rant but it´s 4:30am where i live and i still can´t sleep
On April 08 2010 11:23 Clamev wrote: This might sound a bit ehm rude i gues but the only advise i can give you is get the fuck away from her! Tell her that you two shouldn´t meet until she is over her boyfriend. That is if you don´t want to ride on a emotional rollercaster wich rips you´re heart out every couple of months. Because i am on this rollercoaster since 2 and a half year now.And it has been 2 and a half years of three people continuingsly hurting each others to the point point where it´s gotten realy bad and i´m still not out of it. Well thinking back i don´t think i would have chossen not to get on this ride so yeah go ahead but be preapared to get hurt.
sorry for the rant but it´s 4:30am where i live and i still can´t sleep
Dude, nothing is more fun than being on an emotional roller coaster ride. Would you rather be happy all the time or alternate happiness and pain so the happiness is more intense than anything you've ever felt?
On April 08 2010 10:11 lilsusie wrote: You are attracted to who you are attracted to, you can't really force it.
but you can always spark it
On April 08 2010 11:53 MourningWould wrote: Dude, nothing is more fun than being on an emotional roller coaster ride. Would you rather be happy all the time or alternate happiness and pain so the happiness is more intense than anything you've ever felt?
On April 06 2010 17:22 Turbovolver wrote: Only ugly guys have to be catalysts.
Looks on a guy mean shit. literally nothing.
not true at all.
Sorry to bump, but i want to hear your reasoning for this. If it's girls saying they do then lol.
a certain level of looks will generally put you into a category capable of getting girls in a certain range, though game dictates just how high up on the range you can peg
and of course money can overtake both, if u think that counts lol
Well to begin with, your first impression means alot, the way you dress, they way you take care of your body, the way you portray yourself through your image, tells people who you are. Maybe you are talking about just basic looks if a guy is hot and sexy or just plain ugly. An ugly guy has to be outstanding in another area, personality, charisma, ability to be witty, outgoing, etc etc to get anywhere. This is sadly the world we live in.. Personality counts for alot but if you fail to even initiate conversation because of the way you look and portray yourself then its not going to get you far.. Looks matter less when two people are very close and know each other for a long time but in the world of clubs and new relationships looks count for alot... This just doesn’t fall on just one end of the spectrum a good looking girl is what alot of guys want and fantasize about, if it didnt matter girls wouldnt wear makeup or dress nice and just let hair grow everywhere People get attracted to features that other people actually do plastic surgery to get there is a general consensus on what looks good and what doesnt. and what happens when someone does look good for the lucky people that do, it acts as a point of magnetic attraction to the opposite sex. good looks brings confidence in a person and alot of ugly people do things like plastic surgery to get confidence in themselves for this reason. so looks have to matter to some degreee they cannot just not matter at all.
Leave it to TL to get into a debate about whether looks matter or not on a guy in a blog... >_<
imo, intelligence is pretty much the most essential skill to have in modern society. Looks can be changed (makeover, clothes, hairstyle, plastic surgery), physical strength doesn't matter anymore. If you roll a shitty intelligence value, you're pretty much fucked in society, even as a girl imo.
a certain level of looks will generally put you into a category capable of getting girls in a certain range
I'm speaking generally about girls here, and largly from my own (relatively limited compared to you i'm sure) experience. I wont argue that there isn't a certain niche of girls that get turned on by looks, just like girls who like bears or nerds for whatever reason, but i strongly believe that genetic looks dont do anything. I think, as other's have already mentioned, that grooming is important because of the obvious things it communicates, but genetic looks? I wouldnt say that that puts you in any league.
game dictates just how high up on the range you can peg
Agree as a stand alone comment
and of course money can overtake both, if u think that counts lol
Curious about this. Yeah i don't. I really don't. like genetic looks, i think that money means shit. Girls can provide for themselves mostly nowerdays, they dont need money (doesn't mean they wont take it) but from what i've seen (myself and people i know) you end up being a provider rather then someone who the girl feels raw attraction to.
It is derailing the thread, sorry to the OP for that, but i find this topic really interesting. Again i'm going by my own experience so take what i say with a grain of salt and do whatever works for you. That system of thinking just doesn't really register for me...
if look at every 10/10 girl in the world, the vast majority of them will have good looking boyfriends, or really rich boyfriends, and usually both. not often will they be dating a mediocre guy with a mediocre life style but an 'amazing' personality.
I got a girl back in the day because I was singing rocketman at some karaoke bar. I'm sure I looked like an ass, but I caught her eye and it just showed I'm confident if nothing else. I mean, I even told her I was still living with my mom at the time and I didn't have a car. So, I guess it just depends.
Whatever you do, don't be her confidant for boyfriend related bullshit. Don't listen to her sob story, just console her that it is in the past and there are plenty of better people blah blah. Every time she brings him up just look annoyed and give her some generic shit like that. Make your motives clear. You are on the verge of being friend zoned if not already. Good Luck to you
On April 15 2010 08:48 CharlieMurphy wrote: Whatever you do, don't be her confidant for boyfriend related bullshit. Don't listen to her sob story, just console her that it is in the past and there are plenty of better people blah blah. Every time she brings him up just look annoyed and give her some generic shit like that. Make your motives clear. You are on the verge of being friend zoned if not already. Good Luck to you
He's already been friend zoned. She would've slept with him by now (assuming she isn't hardcore religious) if they were making out like he said they were and if she were attracted to him at all.
On April 15 2010 04:08 Rekrul wrote: to say looks don't matter at all is nonsense
if look at every 10/10 girl in the world, the vast majority of them will have good looking boyfriends, or really rich boyfriends, and usually both. not often will they be dating a mediocre guy with a mediocre life style but an 'amazing' personality.
I could say that people with better looks get treated better by society and thus have a more positive look on the world + have more of a lack of insecurity, allowing them to pull these girls, rather then being the raw cause. I could also say that 50, 60 + year's ago looks meant shit, its only recently that people seem to think that it matters. How could girls (more importantly why would girls) evolve like that in such a short period of time? I've seen more hot girls date the guy with the amazing personality and life style then the lawyer or someone with looks.
I I've seen more hot girls date the guy with the amazing personality and life style then the lawyer or someone with looks.
Are these guys actually completely ugly? An average looking guy with a great personality and awesome lifestyle is more attractive than hot guy with a terrible personality.
Although a guy that a girl doesn't find at all physically attractive is worse off than a guy that isn't at all mentally attractive, at least you could sleep with the latter if nothing else (although if his personality was that bad you probably wouldn't), where you would just be friends with the former.
If a guy is good looking or hot you want to get to know him just based off that, if he asks you out and you don't know anything else about him you will say yes because you want to get to know him, you will clear your schedule and want to make a good impression. If ends up having nothing but good looks then you wont be interested. Yet you will be more forgiving of bad traits than you would if he was just average looking.
Of course you want someone who is both physically and mentally attractive, the mental attraction usually carries more weight and cant be 0, but the physical attraction can't be 0 either, you do usually want to sleep with the guy to want to be in a relationship.
Are these guys actually completely ugly? An average looking guy with a great personality and awesome lifestyle is more attractive than hot guy with a terrible personality.
I'd say slightly less then average to average. I agree with your second sentence.
Although a guy that a girl doesn't find at all physically attractive is worse off than a guy that isn't at all mentally attractive, at least you could sleep with the latter if nothing else (although if his personality was that bad you probably wouldn't), where you would just be friends with the former.
A girl that doesnt find a guy physically attractive will be because he did something or had a demeanor that she didnt find attractive, rather then his raw looks, girls really aren't that visual. A girl would never sleep with a guy based entirely on looks with zero interaction. Btw to further clarify by looks i mean raw genetics, i do think grooming/etc does make a difference.
If a guy is good looking or hot you want to get to know him just based off that.
I'm totally happy to admit i'm wrong to anything, so long as the other argument coincides with what i've seen personally in my own experience, but i just havn't seen a girl wanting to know a guy solely based on how hot he is.
if he asks you out and you don't know anything else about him you will say yes because you want to get to know him, you will clear your schedule and want to make a good impression. If [he] ends up having nothing but good looks then you wont be interested. Yet you will be more forgiving of bad traits than you would if he was just average looking.
Even if a girl does clear her schedule and is on best behavior for a "hot dude", if he has zero game he wont be able to get her into the sack, whats the point? If you threw 100 women at brad pitt (this example assumes he has no game) then he'll get laid 0 times. if you threw 100 women at Artosis, the result will still be 0. (i dont mean it Artosis! ILY!!!! baller terran ^___^) so neither has an advantage. i can see that people will disagree with this example, so perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree eventually. Onwards!
The hot guy probably carries himself with more confidence, or is more assertive in his behavior. i've seen situations where the mediocre guy gets tons more interest from girls based just on that. i'm not accusing you of this, but be careful about applying your own standards to women, they value different things.
...If [he] ends up having nothing but good looks then you wont be interested. Yet you will be more forgiving of bad traits than you would if he was just average looking
agree with first sentance, disagree with second. Its very hard to compare two situations, as they will never be the same. So we can't get a "hot" guy and a mediocre one and test what either one of us are saying, also, it depends on what you mean by "bad traits". If it's him being a prick, it wont matter to the girl on a sexual level, if its him being submissive or weak, then that's behavior she wont forgive regardless of genetic looks. Again, be carefull of applying your own standards to women.
Of course you want someone who is both physically and mentally attractive, the mental attraction usually carries more weight and cant be 0, but the physical attraction can't be 0 either, you do usually want to sleep with the guy to want to be in a relationship.
not sure how to respond to the first part of this because i dont really know what having 0 mental or physical attractiveness actually looks like, so sorry i cant adress that >.<. I agree with the last sentence, sex be important yo.
EDIT: Probably should PM me if you give enough of a shit to continue because i'm pretty sure OP posted this a while ago and this is a pretty big derail.
Are these guys actually completely ugly? An average looking guy with a great personality and awesome lifestyle is more attractive than hot guy with a terrible personality.
I'd say slightly less then average to average. I agree with your second sentence.
Exactly, their average looking. Most guys are average looking and average looking guys are physically attractive, they aren't completely hideous. They have looks.
Although a guy that a girl doesn't find at all physically attractive is worse off than a guy that isn't at all mentally attractive, at least you could sleep with the latter if nothing else (although if his personality was that bad you probably wouldn't), where you would just be friends with the former.
A girl that doesnt find a guy physically attractive will be because he did something or had a demeanor that she didnt find attractive, rather then his raw looks, girls really aren't that visual. A girl would never sleep with a guy based entirely on looks with zero interaction. Btw to further clarify by looks i mean raw genetics, i do think grooming/etc does make a difference.
If you don't find a guy at all physically attractive you won't be interested in him, so what if he has a good personality, it's easy to find an average looking guy (that you do find physically attractive) with an equal or better personality. Without absolutely zero interaction of course you can't get to point of sleeping with someone, but if a guy is very hot, or even very good looking some girls will have sex with him after very little communication, this is apparent in clubs at the very least.
If a guy is good looking or hot you want to get to know him just based off that
I'm totally happy to admit i'm wrong to anything, so long as the other argument coincides with what i've seen personally in my own experience, but i just havn't seen a girl wanting to know a guy solely based on how hot he is.
mmm this is a little hard to explain I guess, if you see a really hot guy somewhere, your interested in him, you want to know if he has a good personality too, you want to talk to him. There is already some attraction there.
if he asks you out and you don't know anything else about him you will say yes because you want to get to know him, you will clear your schedule and want to make a good impression. If [he] ends up having nothing but good looks then you wont be interested. Yet you will be more forgiving of bad traits than you would if he was just average looking.
Even if a girl does clear her schedule and is on best behavior for a "hot dude", if he has zero game he wont be able to get her into the sack, whats the point? If you threw 100 women at brad pitt (this example assumes he has no game) then he'll get laid 0 times. if you threw 100 women at Artosis, the result will still be 0. (i dont mean it Artosis! ILY!!!! baller terran ^___^) so neither has an advantage. i can see that people will disagree with this example, so perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree eventually. Onwards!
The hot guy probably carries himself with more confidence, or is more assertive in his behavior. i've seen situations where the mediocre guy gets tons more interest from girls based just on that. i'm not accusing you of this, but be careful about applying your own standards to women, they value different things.
In your example there you agree that looks matter. Although the example is a bad one, not every girl is attracted to the same thing, or turned off by the same thing. Not every girl will want to sleep with a guy she finds super hot, but not good personality, some do though, after all your not entering a relationship and sticking with them.
If the looks are something that you really just don't find attractive you wont bother too much getting to know their fantastic personality, you know there are easily better looking guys out there with just as good personalities, you don't want a relationship with this guy, but maybe you like who they are as a person and want to be friends.
...If [he] ends up having nothing but good looks then you wont be interested. Yet you will be more forgiving of bad traits than you would if he was just average looking
agree with first sentance, disagree with second. Its very hard to compare two situations, as they will never be the same. So we can't get a "hot" guy and a mediocre one and test what either one of us are saying, also, it depends on what you mean by "bad traits". If it's him being a prick, it wont matter to the girl on a sexual level, if its him being submissive or weak, then that's behavior she wont forgive regardless of genetic looks. Again, be carefull of applying your own standards to women.
By more forgiving I mean you wont hold so much weight to him doing something you dislike as you would an average looking or mediocre guy doing the same thing, you might let it slide.
I gotta disagree with your submissive/weak thing making a guy completely unattractive, I think a complete prick is much less attractive than a guy who doesn't have a very dominant personality.
Be careful when deciding absolutes, everyone is different and attracted to different traits in the personality.
Of course you want someone who is both physically and mentally attractive, the mental attraction usually carries more weight and cant be 0, but the physical attraction can't be 0 either, you do usually want to sleep with the guy to want to be in a relationship.
not sure how to respond to the first part of this because i dont really know what having 0 mental or physical attractiveness actually looks like, so sorry i cant adress that >.<. I agree with the last sentence, sex be important yo.
what i mean by mental attraction is being attracted to their personality and all things non-physical. Physical attraction is all physical traits. I address it in a general way as not all women are attracted to the same thing.
To put it another way, the holy grail guy is a hot one with a stellar personality, personality always carries more weight but a guy still needs to be physically attractive. If the personality is good enough you can find things about the physical side attractive that you wouldn't normally, and a guy that you would normally see as average can be very good looking for you because of that, but that doesn't mean that looks means nothing, often the guy already has physical traits you find fine and liking the personality means you focus on the physical traits about them that you like, they don't have to be outstanding looking, they don't even have to be good looking, but they can't be hideous to you.
Equally a guy can become less attractive physically if his personality is completely awful, and just really rubs you up the wrong way, but a mediocre -> average personality is acceptable and the guy is still super hot, you will still go for this, and look at the things you like in the personality. They might not be someone you want to have a long term meaningful relationship with, but you can still have fun.
I think it's pretty much proven that looks indeed do matter. As in, you have to have a symmetric face for the women to want to share their genes with you. That means to have babies with you. That means to have sex with you. This is of course the production of evolution. But looks isn't end-all-be-all. As Rekrul pointed out, money, for example, can overtake looks easily. And in fact, so can an awesome personality. By awesome personality I mean a confident and funny personality.