On April 04 2010 09:05 Athos wrote:
Chess is my game because I love searching for tactics. Really, all I do now is just chess puzzles. chesstempo.com ftw!

Go's much more general and applicable in terms of searching for tactics or strategy.

To be honest, I think Go is a much closer game to Starcraft than Chess.

Archaic

United States4024 Posts

April 04 2010 00:46 GMT

#22

I like Chess, I enjoy it's complexity. But Go's simplicity, combined with its depth makes it intriguing. I don't play either competitively, nor well, but if you were going to learn one, I'd suggest Go. Chess seemed too repetitive to me, though it has quite a bit of potential for interest.

JohannesH

Finland1364 Posts

April 04 2010 01:44 GMT

#23

What does it mean or matter if one is "harder"? Its not like you can master either of them perfectly.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

April 04 2010 02:13 GMT

#24

what the heck is "better" supposed to mean...

Judicator

United States7270 Posts

April 04 2010 02:56 GMT

#25

Seriously, I don't know how you are going to define "better".

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

April 04 2010 05:00 GMT

#26

On April 04 2010 11:56 Judicator wrote:
Seriously, I don't know how you are going to define "better".

Well... of course you can't come to an exact definition, but the word does have some meaning here. I mean, suppose someone asked you, which is a better game, chess or Tic Tac Toe? Or Starcraft vs. Minesweeper lol? I think almost everyone would agree which one is better, even if we can't exactly explain why.

My feeling is that Go offers more variety, and more space for creativity. Whereas Chess is more about just playing solidly, and just trying to avoid making any mistakes that'll cost you a piece, because once you lose a piece in chess you're at a significant disadvantage. Whereas losing a piece in Go is not really a disadvantage (other than the points lost), so you can easily make a comeback later.

However I suck at both games so I can't really say.

kainzero

United States5211 Posts

April 04 2010 06:10 GMT

#27

On April 04 2010 14:00 Luddite wrote:
Well... of course you can't come to an exact definition, but the word does have some meaning here. I mean, suppose someone asked you, which is a better game, chess or Tic Tac Toe? Or Starcraft vs. Minesweeper lol? I think almost everyone would agree which one is better, even if we can't exactly explain why.

Chess outnumbers Tic Tac Toe in game possibilities on an exponential level. Tic Tac Toe was solved in 1952.

Starcraft vs. Minesweeper is comparing two completely different games; one is a fixed single-player game, the other is a dynamic multi-player game. Arguably, single player Minesweeper can be more fun than playing Starcraft against the CPU.

Neither Go or Chess is better than the other. Both require a lot of memorization, logic, and require lots of endgame calculation to win by the slimmest of margins.

Just play what you like.

DreaM)XeRO

Korea (South)4667 Posts

April 04 2010 07:01 GMT

#28

my dad 2 dan go instructor
tried to teach me when i was younger

i didnt like it at all
always had the impression he was messing with my mind

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

April 04 2010 07:03 GMT

#29

mahjong is better because there's no luck involved in go

Comeh

United States18919 Posts

April 04 2010 07:44 GMT

#30

Thread title should be changed from "is better" "which one do you like more".
American football is better then European football because i said so.
Not a great concept for discussion (if you dont want to end in flame wars).

Klockan3

Sweden2866 Posts

April 04 2010 08:31 GMT

#31

On April 04 2010 14:00 Luddite wrote:
My feeling is that Go offers more variety, and more space for creativity. Whereas Chess is more about just playing solidly, and just trying to avoid making any mistakes that'll cost you a piece, because once you lose a piece in chess you're at a significant disadvantage. Whereas losing a piece in Go is not really a disadvantage (other than the points lost), so you can easily make a comeback later.

You obviously don't know anything about chess...

I don't play either game but thinking like that is how the sub amateurs do it...

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

April 04 2010 08:59 GMT

#32

On April 04 2010 17:31 Klockan3 wrote:

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You obviously don't know anything about chess...

I don't play either game but thinking like that is how the sub amateurs do it...

if you don't play either game then you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about, do you?

konadora

Singapore66358 Posts

April 04 2010 13:24 GMT

#33

I love Go way much more than Chess.

Nothing to do with being azn.

Zozma

United States1626 Posts

April 04 2010 13:50 GMT

#34

On April 04 2010 14:00 Luddite wrote:My feeling is that Go offers more variety, and more space for creativity. Whereas Chess is more about just playing solidly, and just trying to avoid making any mistakes that'll cost you a piece, because once you lose a piece in chess you're at a significant disadvantage. Whereas losing a piece in Go is not really a disadvantage (other than the points lost), so you can easily make a comeback later.

I don't think that's true. If you're looking for creativity in chess, then check out the games of Mikhail Tal or Paul Morphy.

Solid play is important in chess, but it's the same in Go; it's certainly not a good idea to lose your groups through careless moves, right?

baller

527 Posts

April 04 2010 14:18 GMT

#35

hello chess players. look at your game, now back at go. now back to your game, now back at go. sadly, chess isn't go, but if chess made every piece a pawn and doubled the board size, chess could be like go. look down, back up, where are you? you are in a chess club, playing the game chess could be like. what's in your hand? it's a chess piece. look again, the knight is now a go stone. anything is possible when you switch from chess to go. i'm on a starcraft forum.

Tenryu

United States565 Posts

April 04 2010 19:30 GMT

#36

Hmm alright. Why do you guys think Go never really made it in the western countries. I bet about atleast 3 out of 4 Americans dont even know what Go is, or if they do, they dont have the slightest idea of anything about it.

I dont know how big Chess is around the Asian countries. Is it as big as Go or even bigger?

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

April 04 2010 19:51 GMT

#37

I don't like the way people use "computers suck at Go" as an argument for Go being the "harder" or "better" of the two. Computer algorithms are worse at playing Go because more inferences need to be made in a game of Go comparative to chess, combined with the large board size (more possibilities), it is almost impossible to evaluate the positions properly.

It shows only a poor/lack of development in machine intelligence theories in the application of Go, rather than provides a deterministic view on which game is superior.

Wiser

United States11 Posts

June 25 2010 19:59 GMT

#38

On April 04 2010 09:46 Archaic wrote:
I like Chess, I enjoy it's complexity. But Go's simplicity, combined with its depth makes it intriguing. I don't play either competitively, nor well, but if you were going to learn one, I'd suggest Go. Chess seemed too repetitive to me, though it has quite a bit of potential for interest.

Yeah...Chess is so repetitive that people have been formulating new openings, puzzles and strategies for it for centuries now... Oh, not to mention the 50+ books that have been written on Chess theory and strategies... So far, Go and Starcraft are so ;complex; (they are not complex) that only one book for each has been developed concerning their ;theories; and ;strategies;.

Wiser

United States11 Posts

June 25 2010 19:59 GMT

#39

On April 04 2010 09:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:

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Go's much more general and applicable in terms of searching for tactics or strategy.

To be honest, I think Go is a much closer game to Starcraft than Chess.

Thank you, finally someone else who knows how to use his\her brain has posted.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

June 25 2010 20:19 GMT

#40

I've played chess since I was young and I've always loved the game. I've always wanted to learn how to play go though, and whenever I read into it the game just seems so interesting in how abstract it is compared to chess. I don't know anyone that plays go though, so I dunno when I'll ever be able to learn how to play. I really do want to though, some day. My little brother, who lives in Korea, has been taking go lessons and apparently he beats my dad regularly now. I think I'm going to ask him to teach me the next time I see him.

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