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hifriend
China7935 Posts
I'm really starting to think I just don't enjoy modern 3d RTS's as much as the older 2d ones. Wc2, SC, AoE, C&C etc. I also had tons of fun with Total Annahilation, but got disappointed by supreme commander because it just didn't have the same feel to it. Movement and commands just feel kind of clumsy. Pretty obvious pattern. Will I ever be able to appreciate a brand new rts again?    | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
cnc games are pretty much just awful in every way. War3 had that silly turning system or whatever Dawn of war.. units had a hard time moving through eachother. But sc2 feels just fine to me. My only problem with the 3d now is that I keep missing collosi when I want to neural parasite them. I click on their legs, i click on their head, but their area or whatever is somewhere in the middle. | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
Beside that, you should try some _actual_ 3D RTS games. It started with good 'ol Ground Control and has evolved into World in Conflict. They're really fun single player games to keep you occupied 'til you've gotten into beta. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
It's too bad that newer is equated with better. But I guess some noobs who aren't hardcore sc1 fans would be put off by reviews that blizz is using "old" 2d graphics. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
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Aurra
United States469 Posts
1080P sprites can be visually amazing and I wish more games would utilize them rather than automatically going for 3D graphics even if the gameplay is 2 dimensional. | ||
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renchak
209 Posts
On March 11 2010 09:29 Aurra wrote: I've always felt as though if a game sticks to two dimensional gameplay then the graphics should be in 2D. 1080P sprites can be visually amazing and I wish more games would utilize them rather than automatically going for 3D graphics even if the gameplay is 2 dimensional. This is exactly what i've been thinking for a long time. 3D does not automatically make a game better looking! | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
BW >>>>>>>>>>>> SCII, for now at least. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
A lot of things could be better today, but the newness of the tech and the slowness of the cards meant 3d looked terrible, and lot of games that were 3d were awful. Some benefited sure, but so many franchises just died (like Duke Nukem lol). I've just never been of the opinion that everything needed to be 3d and that feeling never left after the late 90s screwed everything up | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On March 11 2010 09:36 RoieTRS wrote: I dont think scbw was isometric. The building's and unit's graphics look as though you are looking down from an angle, but you are, in fact, looking from a bird's eye view directly above. if it was directly above then we wouldn't be able to see the sides of buildings and units and it would look more like SimCity classic lol -. - haha | ||
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mykyoyo
United States33 Posts
Starcraft, Doom, The Sims and Half Life are among the most popular PC video games (Just check any Best Of or Most Selling list and you'll see these) ever made, played and had *fun* with. That's what I want, I want to have fun. Did RTS need 3d to make fun happen? Not at all. Does better graphics make fun happen? Nope. So, then, you are totally correct to look at SC II, Blizzard's offering for the next generation of RTS and plainly ask, "Why 3D?" So far the beta has looked dark and hard to decipher what's going on. A typical SC1 screen let's you know exactly which units are there. They're all a bright color that stands out from everything else. How are you going to watch a televised match between the best SC2 players when you can't even tell what's going on? | ||
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keNn)
Philippines297 Posts
You all had played sc1 for many years of course you will not be confuse anymore in large army fighting. Its not just because its in 2d it is because you are so used to sc1 graphics. Just give sc2 some time. On March 11 2010 09:43 lac29 wrote: There is something intrinsically beautiful about 2D that 3D can't recreate =/. there are also in 3d that can't be done in 2D. one is, in sc2 you can make an fps games using the editor. who knows what kind of games will be made by some hardcore map editors out there. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On March 12 2010 00:05 keNn) wrote: Just wait for your eyes to get used to sc2 graphics. After many games I'm sure you'll adjust to it and wont be confuse anymore during battles. You all had played sc1 for many years of course you will not be confuse anymore in large army fighting. Its not just because its in 2d it is because you are so used to sc1 graphics. Just give sc2 some time. there are also in 3d that can't be done in 2D. one is, in sc2 you can make an fps games using the editor. who knows what kind of games will be made by some hardcore map editors out there. But I don't agree that a game should require "time to adjust" An RTS game should be instantly decipherable Like I never had to give BW time for me to be able to decipher a battle. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Same for RPGs ( infinty engine <3 ) My main problem with real 3D is that it is not only clumsy but also not even more beautiful than old games. I mean if you think that bw makes Sc2 look bad just try to make a comparison between the BG and the never NwN 2 ( terrible laggy, clumsy and ugly engine ). I think that 3D only really shines for FPS, simulation, sport games and hybrids. Also even if i'm just a terrible casual fighting game player i prefer SFII / SFIII to SFIV. Hand made sprites have just more personality than polygons. | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
On March 11 2010 09:14 hifriend wrote:I'm really starting to think I just don't enjoy modern 3d RTS's as much as the older 2d ones. Wc2, SC, AoE, C&C etc. I also had tons of fun with Total Annahilation, but got disappointed by supreme commander because it just didn't have the same feel to it. Movement and commands just feel kind of clumsy. Total Annihilation is 3D though :D | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On March 11 2010 09:23 Jonoman92 wrote: Despite the fact that 3D is new technology or w/e it does seem to be inferior so far in terms of one's ability to see what exactly is going on. It's too bad that newer is equated with better. But I guess some noobs who aren't hardcore sc1 fans would be put off by reviews that blizz is using "old" 2d graphics. you dont know much about game development do you? developing a 3d game, modelling 3d figures are much more flexible then drawing sprites. You would need high resolution sprites which look good on high resolution screens [this is not 640 480 anymore], making those is years' work. If you want to modify something on a character, you have to change that on every directional sprite [omfg thats disgusting to even think about] but if you use 3d models this is a simple job. Thats why even fighting game developers slowly crawl toward 3D. | ||
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mykyoyo
United States33 Posts
On March 12 2010 05:00 freelander wrote: You would need high resolution sprites which look good on high resolution screens [this is not 640 480 anymore], making those is years' work. If you want to modify something on a character, you have to change that on every directional sprite [omfg thats disgusting to even think about] but if you use 3d models this is a simple job. Thats why even fighting game developers slowly crawl toward 3D. I doubt you'd edit individual sprites. You would change the 3d model and then render the directions/actions again. SC units are surprisingly high in detail. I would expect that they used pretty nice models to create them. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
No it isn't. :p | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On March 12 2010 06:54 JohannesH wrote: Camera angle is fixed, but terrain and models are 3d. "The terrain is strictly 2D but contains height values which allow it to act as a 3D surface." I guess it's something inbetween, neither strictly 3d nor 2d, but with 3d units. Whereas sc is 2d presented as "3d". | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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