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Netherlands4522 Posts
On January 21 2010 00:18 s.a.y wrote:
tvz for sure.
you don't stand a chance vs CaStrO or kolll or mondragon or sen in ZvZ.
after you played TvZ for 8-10 years, switching to ZvZ can't get you those years of exp.
please choose fast, so i can finish my TSL contest :D
you are pretty ignorant... i played them plenty and zergs better than them and I know my chances ZvZ
aaand where do u get 8-10 years from? :|
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Whatever makes you win dude... It's the TSL not practise
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On January 21 2010 01:15 ret wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 00:18 s.a.y wrote:
tvz for sure.
you don't stand a chance vs CaStrO or kolll or mondragon or sen in ZvZ.
after you played TvZ for 8-10 years, switching to ZvZ can't get you those years of exp.
please choose fast, so i can finish my TSL contest :D you are pretty ignorant... i played them plenty and zergs better than them and I know my chances ZvZ aaand where do u get 8-10 years from? :| looooool... owned by ret himself.
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Given that your TvZ looked kind of rusty last night on stream, I would honestly suggest playing straight-out ZvZ. Or if you feel more comfortable, aren't you allowed to play ZvP, ZvT, TvZ still?
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I say just stick with Zerg. Your ZvZ is not bad at all, and while there is a little luck involved, I would rather do what I've been practicing the last few months than suddenly switch in the small timeframe from now until your matches. As you've said before, even stopping TvZ for a few days makes you suck at the match up. It might take a bit to regain your former prowess right away, so I'd go with the safe option and not last minute panics.
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Its obvious the majority is going to want to see your tvz. One because a lot more people prefer watching tvz over zvz and two your tvz is really good and fun to watch. Also im pretty sure a lot of people were abit worried when they saw the results with your series vs flaf. Even though your zvz is on par with your other mus just with the dice roll nature of the mu.
Personally it just all comes down to how important courage is to you. Since your bracket from now on mostly just seem to be zergs it is actually beneficial to you because you can just mostly play tvz for awhile if you switch now.
And im secretly hoping you can play kolll tvz ^^. You guys had a nice series last time you played.
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Use whatever you feel gives you the best chance of winning the matches in TSL :O
(didn't vote)
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On January 21 2010 00:24 Salv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 23:58 Tom Phoenix wrote:On January 20 2010 22:24 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On January 20 2010 22:14 stenole wrote:
I say you focus on ZvZ until Courage is over regardless of future plans in or out of Korea, simply because you're there and that is an opportunity that is unique for you. You can always win TSL3 later. What good is a 1/256 chance on a progaming license when you're leaving the country? He should just play whatever gives him the best chance at winning TSL. Beacuse he has nothing to lose with giving it a try and beacuse winning a progaming license would not only be a historical achievement, but also a confirmation of all his efforts? Just beacuse the chances of him winning a license are small does not mean that he should not try and take it anyway. Besides which, Ret has spent a lot of time and effort getting his ZvZ up to snuff. At this point, switching back to TvZ would be counterproductive. I think it's obvious that his TvZ is still good, or else he wouldn't even be contemplating it. I think the question is more, "Should I just stick it out and try with ZvZ like I planned?" or "Should I revert to my stronger matchup, even though I've invested all this time into my ZvZ?". I bet Ret's TvZ is still better than his ZvZ and that his chances are significantly higher with T than with Z. With Ret going home regardless of courage, he should be concentrating on winning TSL.
Yet, I seriously doubt he has practiced his TvZ much, if at all, since he started his attempt of becoming a progamer in Korea. Even if it is still "good", that does not mean it is still competitive material and switching matchups at the last minute would not give him enough time to get his TvZ back in shape before it is put to the test. It does not matter how good you are, not playing a certain matchup on a regular basis for an extended amount of time will cause your skills in that matchup to deteriorate.
As such, he might as well stick to his original plan of going ZvZ. Not only does this not waste all the training he has put up so far, it also gives him better chances during his third Courage attempt.
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I like your Zerg play.
But, look at the top 16.
You'll have to decide.
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TVZ RET TVZ!!! 
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Let me throw this out there too: Castro beat brat_ok 2-0, stelok 2-0, and went a solid 1-2 vs idra in the Highlander. In zvz he won a 2-0 vs. Shad, but also lost to Naugrim 0-3 in the Love of the game tourney last November.
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if its going to be T then i demand reviewing my unofficial TSL predictions, i had you out first round vs castro
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United States2802 Posts
It's very simple; let's do some thinking:
Ret hasn't focused on TvZ for quite a while because of the race restrictions they have at courage, thus, his TvZ should be kind of rusty, more likely than not. On the other hand, Ret has been practicing ZvZ for a while now and is at his top at the moment, no doubt.
Now Castro is a South American Zerg. What does this mean? This means that he's going to be playing against you doing some crazyfuck retarded strategies al BO5 series long, and I'm talking about lurker openings with a high probability of dropping non-stop from the early through the late midgame and also maybe some crazy ling allins. He also lags and this means your marine micro will totally fail against lurkers, and we all know that he is a heavy macro Zerg and defends his exps with mass sunken.
Now if you play ZvZ against him, what is the worst things he can do? Ling allin hands down, and I'm quite sure you can actually handle that, aren't you?
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oops, I misunderstood the thread so I voted Terran but if it is about what race you should play, I wish I could change my vote to Zerg.
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I voted zerg. I just don't think you'll have enough time to shake off the rust in TvZ to be able to beat CaStrO. If you got past him with TvZ though, I could see you beating Sen/kolll/[insert zerg here] as well.
I'd also like to say that, despite losing two games, I was pretty impressed with your ZvZ vs FlaF. Your micro is really solid now.
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On second thought, pick the matchup that you feel more comfortable playing in lag with.
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USA29055 Posts
zvz or tvz.. doesn't matter.. but the longer you sit in between the two mu's the MORE fucked you are getting.
PICK ONE AND GOGO
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EPT
