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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 19:19:47
January 20 2010 19:14 GMT
#101
On January 21 2010 04:08 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
zvz or tvz.. doesn't matter.. but the longer you sit in between the two mu's the MORE fucked you are getting.

PICK ONE AND GOGO

For reals.
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 20 2010 19:56 GMT
#102
On January 21 2010 04:14 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 04:08 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
zvz or tvz.. doesn't matter.. but the longer you sit in between the two mu's the MORE fucked you are getting.

PICK ONE AND GOGO

For rela.

beep boop
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
January 20 2010 20:12 GMT
#103
On January 21 2010 01:15 ret wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 00:18 s.a.y wrote:
tvz for sure.

you don't stand a chance vs CaStrO or kolll or mondragon or sen in ZvZ.

after you played TvZ for 8-10 years, switching to ZvZ can't get you those years of exp.

please choose fast, so i can finish my TSL contest :D


you are pretty ignorant... i played them plenty and zergs better than them and I know my chances ZvZ


aaand where do u get 8-10 years from? :|


the amount of SC you played over the years. You stated that you played SC from the start.

Also, I have a right for an opinion and I think that castro will do better than you at ZvZ. you can always prove me wrong.

gl.
I am not good with quotes
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
January 20 2010 21:05 GMT
#104
For a serious response: you should pick the one which you are better at.

From an outsider's perspective (mine), it seems to me that your ZvZ will be your better overall matchup right now (since you have been hitting it hard recently). The TvZ might be more familiar, but in a tense situation you're unfortunately more likely to misclick, forget timings etc. when switching races "all of a sudden".

I really feel that you know what the best option is but are trying to find an objective or outside opinion about it. You are a smart guy, you just have to trust in your instinct. I would say go with your gut.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 20 2010 21:10 GMT
#105
Zerg, man. Take the challenge
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
January 20 2010 21:13 GMT
#106
i'm going with eri
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 21:24:43
January 20 2010 21:17 GMT
#107
no one here knows better than you how comfortable you are or how well you will do with either matchup.

but yea i agree from a spectators perspective, tvz is way more fun to watch.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
January 20 2010 21:17 GMT
#108
I'd much prefer you playing TvZ as a spectator standpoint, but you've been grinding out ZvZ for awhile now might as well see it through.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
ApotheosisX
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States61 Posts
January 20 2010 21:20 GMT
#109
i'd love to see you master zerg in all match ups, but play what ever you feel is more fun!
"As the pattern gets more intricate and subtle, being swept along is no longer enough." - Waking Life
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 22:34:20
January 20 2010 22:15 GMT
#110
nvm read it wrong.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28865 Posts
January 20 2010 22:19 GMT
#111
he means tvz or zvz, he is definitely continuing to play zvp and zvt
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NeoOmega
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States495 Posts
January 20 2010 22:24 GMT
#112
TIME FOR SOME EPIC D+ ANALYSIS
-ret mentions regret for switching to ZvZ in TSL predictions video
-ret streams several TvZ
-ret creates crazy TL poll that ultimately has no bearing on his decision
-a confused castro is unable to see through the fog and splits his practice between ZvZ and ZvT
-ret practices ZvZ hard core
-ret 3 > castro 1
-ret wins courage
-ret wins TSL
-ret shoots NeoOmega for revealing his evil plan
NeoOmega
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States495 Posts
January 20 2010 22:25 GMT
#113
But in all seriousness, what effect could this have on castro?
GrayArea
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States872 Posts
January 20 2010 22:50 GMT
#114
tvz is more fun to watch. voted t.
Kang Min Fighting!
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
January 20 2010 22:54 GMT
#115
Ret had some of the sickest foreign TvZ I've ever seen back in the day. Even though ZvZ is my favorite matchup, I think you should switch to TvZ again at some point. (though it doesn't have to be right now)
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 23:00:29
January 20 2010 23:00 GMT
#116

-a confused castro is unable to see through the fog and splits his practice between ZvZ and ZvT
-ret practices ZvZ hard core



mind games!
Studying Chinese~
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 20 2010 23:02 GMT
#117
zvz. some fun match up it is.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
January 20 2010 23:03 GMT
#118
Terran for sure. Are you just wanting to play tvz for the tsl or are you thinking of fully switching?
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 20 2010 23:03 GMT
#119
Idra vs Ret

Nony and Whitera cant touch them
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
January 20 2010 23:06 GMT
#120
ill be quite straight up.

your zvz was 3-2 vs FLAF.

You probably would have beat him 3-0 TvZ so..
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