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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 20 2010 14:09 GMT
#61
pride is worthless when you're leaving the country and have given up on being a progamer (not judging ret here). i think the fact that he's even considering switching to TvZ means he values the TSL above courage, which only makes sense
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
January 20 2010 14:13 GMT
#62
I think like other people said you should go with whichever one you think you have a better chance to win with. Your ZvZ seems to be pretty good to me but I wouldn't let TLers decide for you ^^
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sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
January 20 2010 14:14 GMT
#63
It seems like there's a pretty good chance of you playing nothing but zergs until the finals, so I'd say whichever MU you feel you will be your best with 2-3 weeks of practice.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
January 20 2010 14:16 GMT
#64
On January 20 2010 23:09 CTStalker wrote:
pride is worthless when you're leaving the country and have given up on being a progamer (not judging ret here). i think the fact that he's even considering switching to TvZ means he values the TSL above courage, which only makes sense

i think he isnt so sure. thats why the poll is here ^_^. and for a person that likes thinking about things (philosophying) this is not only a thing of courage vs tsl, but also about deciding what you value, who you want to be, a question of integrity.

the less things you care about the easier your decisions become.
i only provide thoughts. how you use them is up to you.
"I fart a lot, often on my gf in bed, then we roll around laughing for 5 mins choking in gas." — exog // "…be'master, the art of reflection. If you are not a thinking man, to what purpose are you a man at all?" — S. T. Coleridge
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
January 20 2010 14:24 GMT
#65
On January 20 2010 23:16 enzym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 23:09 CTStalker wrote:
pride is worthless when you're leaving the country and have given up on being a progamer (not judging ret here). i think the fact that he's even considering switching to TvZ means he values the TSL above courage, which only makes sense

i think he isnt so sure. thats why the poll is here ^_^. and for a person that likes thinking about things (philosophying) this is not only a thing of courage vs tsl, but also about deciding what you value, who you want to be, a question of integrity.

the less things you care about the easier your decisions become.
i only provide thoughts. how you use them is up to you.

What the fuck are you talking about.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
January 20 2010 14:28 GMT
#66
On January 20 2010 22:55 Frits wrote:
ZvZ, definately. Keep improving your ZvZ and your ZvT and ZvP will benefit as well.

If this is true for you Ret, then I guess the choice is obvious. Though for watching, TvZ is better than ZvZ.

Go for winning the TSL no matter what, you said you were low on money due to your Korea adventure so all is justified.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
January 20 2010 14:29 GMT
#67
This is a pretty annoying choice. You have to either deal with the highly volatile ZvZ, or take a big risk by switching to a match-up that you probably lack practice in. I'd say go T only if you think the maps favour them.
No I'm never serious.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
January 20 2010 14:33 GMT
#68
On January 20 2010 23:29 Nytefish wrote:
This is a pretty annoying choice. You have to either deal with the highly volatile ZvZ, or take a big risk by switching to a match-up that you probably lack practice in. I'd say go T only if you think the maps favour them.


Ret's TvZ is better than his ZvZ IMO and I think he knows this also, not sure why he is so hesitant to switch. Given the fact that he will most likely be playing Zerg's up to the finals, I don't see this being a hard choice at all. Ret: you have been playing ZvZ lately, but also TvZ, you know which one will give you a better chance of winning, so why are you so hesitant?

Let's put it this way, in the TSL predictions video on SCForAll, Ret said that he thinks he would lose to Sen or Koll ZvZ, and maybe even Castro, do you think he would say the same if he was playing TvZ? I doubt it.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 20 2010 14:43 GMT
#69
Selfishly, I would want to see TvZ more than ZvZ.

That said, you probably (hopefully?) have not seriously trained with T in months, while you have worked a lot on your ZvZ, which has improved quite a bit. You've also won in the R3 ZvZ. Don't second guess yourself - keep practicing and play Z.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 20 2010 14:46 GMT
#70
If your TvZ is still in shape I'd say go with that but if not you really shouldn't risk playing poorly and should just go with ZvZ regardless, good luck with your TSL run!
Hi.
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
January 20 2010 14:58 GMT
#71
On January 20 2010 22:24 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
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On January 20 2010 22:14 stenole wrote:
I say you focus on ZvZ until Courage is over regardless of future plans in or out of Korea, simply because you're there and that is an opportunity that is unique for you. You can always win TSL3 later.

What good is a 1/256 chance on a progaming license when you're leaving the country? He should just play whatever gives him the best chance at winning TSL.


Beacuse he has nothing to lose with giving it a try and beacuse winning a progaming license would not only be a historical achievement, but also a confirmation of all his efforts? Just beacuse the chances of him winning a license are small does not mean that he should not try and take it anyway.

Besides which, Ret has spent a lot of time and effort getting his ZvZ up to snuff. At this point, switching back to TvZ would be counterproductive.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28785 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 15:04:12
January 20 2010 15:03 GMT
#72
On January 20 2010 22:55 Frits wrote:
ZvZ, definately. Keep improving your ZvZ and your ZvT and ZvP will benefit as well.


his zvt improves more from playing tvz than it does from playing zvz. muta micro zvz is quite a bit different from muta micro zvt.

and if you have enough time to get awesome tvz again, definitely change.
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 20 2010 15:05 GMT
#73
TvZ! I believe in you Ret!
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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
January 20 2010 15:13 GMT
#74
tvz for sure !! You managed to beat flaf but it was a close call, flaf looked pretty good in those games but i think zergs like castro, kolll and sen can do better in zvz, so if you think you can take them, well then go for zvz, but i think you have more of a chance with your sexy tvz !
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
January 20 2010 15:18 GMT
#75
tvz for sure.

you don't stand a chance vs CaStrO or kolll or mondragon or sen in ZvZ.

after you played TvZ for 8-10 years, switching to ZvZ can't get you those years of exp.

please choose fast, so i can finish my TSL contest :D
I am not good with quotes
machinehead..
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
412 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 15:22:31
January 20 2010 15:21 GMT
#76
I don't think you would be able to live with losing due to " bad luck" if that happened to happen. So... start training TVZ and not bring up the possibilities of living with regret.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
January 20 2010 15:24 GMT
#77
On January 20 2010 23:58 Tom Phoenix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 22:24 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On January 20 2010 22:14 stenole wrote:
I say you focus on ZvZ until Courage is over regardless of future plans in or out of Korea, simply because you're there and that is an opportunity that is unique for you. You can always win TSL3 later.

What good is a 1/256 chance on a progaming license when you're leaving the country? He should just play whatever gives him the best chance at winning TSL.


Beacuse he has nothing to lose with giving it a try and beacuse winning a progaming license would not only be a historical achievement, but also a confirmation of all his efforts? Just beacuse the chances of him winning a license are small does not mean that he should not try and take it anyway.

Besides which, Ret has spent a lot of time and effort getting his ZvZ up to snuff. At this point, switching back to TvZ would be counterproductive.


I think it's obvious that his TvZ is still good, or else he wouldn't even be contemplating it. I think the question is more, "Should I just stick it out and try with ZvZ like I planned?" or "Should I revert to my stronger matchup, even though I've invested all this time into my ZvZ?". I bet Ret's TvZ is still better than his ZvZ and that his chances are significantly higher with T than with Z. With Ret going home regardless of courage, he should be concentrating on winning TSL.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
January 20 2010 15:40 GMT
#78
I saw you playing T on your stream, and it looked pretty good! Z can easily be decided om BO's, go Terran, youll rape and get money too.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Quint
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
467 Posts
January 20 2010 15:49 GMT
#79
Terran. Even though you played a lot of ZvZ in the past, your general mechanics should still be better than those of most other foreigners. Also, you can still recover and come back in the lategame after a mistake, with Zerg you rarely have that kind of second opportunity.
Dracid
Profile Joined December 2009
United States280 Posts
January 20 2010 16:11 GMT
#80
Orc. Blademaster imba.
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