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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
January 21 2010 14:18 GMT
#141
On January 20 2010 21:47 enzym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2010 21:39 Plexa wrote:
ZvZ is a luckfest
sarcasm much?

its just more demanding than other matchups when it comes to following your opponent closely (how many drones and zerglings he makes, when spire starts) and having good micro to defend the bo you went with or abuse the speed of your units. its very challenging, but this is starcraft and not poker. luck never decides a starcraft game.

.....
Unbelievably wrong. Seriously, luck is a part of any game with imperfect information, and it's exacerbated in any mirror matchup.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
FantomX
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada247 Posts
January 21 2010 14:27 GMT
#142
On January 21 2010 22:58 IdrA wrote:
go z
terran is too hard for you


I can't believe I used to dislike Idra, the guy is amazing.

Go T, less luck in TvZ, more fun to play? and watch
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
January 21 2010 14:45 GMT
#143
Voted T because it's the best matchup in the game to watch.
We did. You did. Yes we can. No. || http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/crate.html || twitch.tv/crate3333
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 14:55:50
January 21 2010 14:51 GMT
#144
Whatever gets the job done tbh. It's a lot of money, it can make a big difference certainly in your situation, I'd say fuck the haters and go TvZ if that's what you're most confident in. Please, please, please win. ^_^
觀過斯知仁矣.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
January 21 2010 15:27 GMT
#145
zerg
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 21 2010 16:36 GMT
#146
I voted ZvZ because I think since your practicing it hardcore for courage you should keep playing it at the moment but in the future TvZ..
You gotta play to your strengths and ZvZ is a massively micro based match-up. I'm not saying your micro is poor because obviously it's great. It's just not awesome in the way your understanding of the game and macro are.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
January 21 2010 17:05 GMT
#147
Go with what you feel more confident in, and I imagine it's TvZ.

Don't act out of stupid principles or anything of that kind.
Just win it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 21 2010 17:14 GMT
#148
On January 21 2010 22:58 IdrA wrote:
go z
terran is too hard for you


Idra wins thread... again.

Maybe only go TvZ against Castro? I think the lag has slightly less impact in TvZ than ZvZ.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
AraqirG
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States266 Posts
January 21 2010 17:14 GMT
#149
Play terran for the TSL but keep working on your ZvZ. With lag and the prize money on the line, you seem more confident with TvZ, so go with that.

Ignore the silly purists who want you to play Z. They aren't in the running for the TSL prize pool
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
January 21 2010 18:45 GMT
#150
Terran, because I think it's awesome that someone can be gosu with two races.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
Splunge
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 19:55:50
January 21 2010 19:55 GMT
#151
if you think you would play better with t then do it... but its not to much time to practice.. i dont know

Edit: didnt vote
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 21 2010 20:00 GMT
#152
go with whatever you are most comfortable with
sib-pelle
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden162 Posts
January 21 2010 20:29 GMT
#153
I'd also take some time to investigate the other player's matchups. If he sucks ZvT, go for it.
Jangbi fanboy & Gaming Community Scientist
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-24 15:08:55
January 21 2010 20:34 GMT
#154
EDIT: I was annoyed. I retract my original post. It seems unnecessary.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 21 2010 20:54 GMT
#155
On January 21 2010 22:58 IdrA wrote:
go z
terran is too hard for you

I was about to say 'What Would Jesus Do'? and then IdrA posted. There's your answer Ret.
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AraqirG
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States266 Posts
January 21 2010 21:43 GMT
#156
On January 20 2010 22:30 enzym wrote:

im glad that you know what i mean. so your pride isnt worth 10k? its obviously about pride and thats what i said in my first post - it depends on who you are (who ret is).


I would trade my pride for 10k in a heartbeat.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 21 2010 21:53 GMT
#157
I don't see how deciding whether to play TvZ or ZvZ is an issue of pride at all.
BalloonFight
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States2007 Posts
January 21 2010 22:00 GMT
#158
On January 21 2010 01:28 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 01:15 ret wrote:
On January 21 2010 00:18 s.a.y wrote:
tvz for sure.

you don't stand a chance vs CaStrO or kolll or mondragon or sen in ZvZ.

after you played TvZ for 8-10 years, switching to ZvZ can't get you those years of exp.

please choose fast, so i can finish my TSL contest :D


you are pretty ignorant... i played them plenty and zergs better than them and I know my chances ZvZ


aaand where do u get 8-10 years from? :|
looooool... owned by ret himself.


What this blog shows is simply that every single person posting in here has a worthless opinion and that Ret made it only for attention or because he was bored, since he already knows all his odds, has probably made his decision, and only replies to anyone to refute them.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 22 2010 04:52 GMT
#159
You've invested so much into learning ZvZ, stick with it and believe in yourself!
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
January 22 2010 05:00 GMT
#160
On January 21 2010 22:58 IdrA wrote:
go z
terran is too hard for you

Dont you guys just love him?
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
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