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On January 08 2010 21:26 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Note that you can save on certain places/parts, without screwing the whole project.
Firstly, the memory. You could just get 4 gigs now, later if you need more it´s a lot cheaper. Getting 8 gigs right now is an overkill, don´t worry about installing the extra memory yourself as it´s probably the easiest thing to do compwise.
Nr. 2, assemble it yourself, the internet is full of instructions WITH PICTURES !, all parts have their own warranty ( memories can have a lifetime warranty even ) and so on.
Only the processor and RAM can be destroyed by static electricity if no precautions have been made.
And lastly: your old computer. If you are not going to use it/ sell it, you can always use some parts of it (and then maybe sell the rest or smth). Parts you can keep(unless you really need a replacement/upgrade...or it´s almost dead anyways) : Case, HD, Disk drives..
Old computers tend to get noisy but that´s mostly due to loose screws and old fans so just by some cleaning and fan replacing the case is as new.
I too think your processor seems a bit of an overkill at this point, I´ve always gone by the rule that the GPU should be the most expensive part of the computer.
And get a small SSD drive, what I´ve seen they really upgrade the experience with OS and games. Something like 64gigs should be enough, however it would be a good idea to wait about 6months for the prices to drop.
It's all about creating a balance, a computer needs to be balanced with all it's components if you buy a cheaper motherboard then don't go with a i7 processor, you need to balance the components you want with that big CPU, so then you need a good mobo and great ram with good latency and you can't go cheap on hard drive or psu... it's a combination... so if you buy a medium processor then follow with medium stuff afterwords so that you computer is well balanced and will run well.
In the end, the person with a normal PC but ad's a raptor 76Go will not be really using the raptor's real speed capacity since he's limited on the pc's information process. ex: processor...
So don't go cheap on one thing and go all in somewhere else it's not going to be worth it in the end.
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On January 08 2010 20:11 Carnac wrote:
good suggestion by pakje, some comments:
- not a glossy screen!!! I have one myself, and altho it's not annoying me most of the time I'd switch mine into the same model w/o glossy surface in a heartbeat if I could
idk i originally wanted the 2443BW, but they're out of stock i figured this one would be atleast half decent
- phenom II x4 is certainly great bang for the buck wise and one of the best choices for a gaming rig right now, gonna buy myself one of those soon as well (actually, the exact same model pakje mentioned and the same mainboard as well :p ). don't wanna start a quasi-religious amd vs intel war here, but imho for a gaming rig intel is not worth the money right now (especially because the mainboards are more expensive too, I'd rather spend my money on sth else). regular video encoding would be a different story
- case: good, lian li makes some of the best cases
yea lancool is the budget division of lian li, ofcourse a budget lian li still pwns almost everything
- hd is ok, altho with that budget I'd go with an SSD (some Intel PostVille) for the system and a big WD Caviar Greens for storage
currently ssd's are too expensive for me, might change soon as they are releasing allot at CES
- gfx: too much imho (certainly unnecessary for SC2), I'd go with a 5770, but I dunno what else you play. but otherwise a good choice
well he said bioshock, but honestly what isn't too much for sc2
- psu: yeah, little too much, at least you didnt pick a 700 :p should be ok tho, some good brands are bequiet, seasonic, enermax, cooler master.
I couldn't find a cm real power m520 
- cpu cooler is ok, I'd prolly go with like a scythe mugen 2, but not much of a difference
same here but it was out of stock -_-
add 2-3 120mm fans, for example some noctuas or scythe s-flex
for non-overclockers the case fans should be sufficient
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On January 08 2010 22:48 LorD_AreS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 21:26 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Note that you can save on certain places/parts, without screwing the whole project.
Firstly, the memory. You could just get 4 gigs now, later if you need more it´s a lot cheaper. Getting 8 gigs right now is an overkill, don´t worry about installing the extra memory yourself as it´s probably the easiest thing to do compwise.
Nr. 2, assemble it yourself, the internet is full of instructions WITH PICTURES !, all parts have their own warranty ( memories can have a lifetime warranty even ) and so on.
Only the processor and RAM can be destroyed by static electricity if no precautions have been made.
And lastly: your old computer. If you are not going to use it/ sell it, you can always use some parts of it (and then maybe sell the rest or smth). Parts you can keep(unless you really need a replacement/upgrade...or it´s almost dead anyways) : Case, HD, Disk drives..
Old computers tend to get noisy but that´s mostly due to loose screws and old fans so just by some cleaning and fan replacing the case is as new.
I too think your processor seems a bit of an overkill at this point, I´ve always gone by the rule that the GPU should be the most expensive part of the computer.
And get a small SSD drive, what I´ve seen they really upgrade the experience with OS and games. Something like 64gigs should be enough, however it would be a good idea to wait about 6months for the prices to drop. It's all about creating a balance, a computer needs to be balanced with all it's components if you buy a cheaper motherboard then don't go with a i7 processor, you need to balance the components you want with that big CPU, so then you need a good mobo and great ram with good latency and you can't go cheap on hard drive or psu... it's a combination... so if you buy a medium processor then follow with medium stuff afterwords so that you computer is well balanced and will run well. In the end, the person with a normal PC but ad's a raptor 76Go will not be really using the raptor's real speed capacity since he's limited on the pc's information process. ex: processor... So don't go cheap on one thing and go all in somewhere else it's not going to be worth it in the end.
They don't make "cheap" motherboards for the core i7, so no worries there anyhow 
Also the idea of a processor bottlenecking a hard drive makes me giggle a little bit
I will also add that you should NEVER go cheap on a PSU. I mean really, it's like the heart of your computer!
And last but not least, Core i7 uses triple channel memory, so your best option is probably getting 3GB (3x1GB) so you have 1GB for each each channel. If you are really ballsy then you could get 6gb, or 12, or 24 :O:O:O:O:O:O!!!!!).
Edit: Only 9xx i7's use triple channel, Thanks to FragKrag and KOFgokuon for correcting me!
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Well it depends on the i7 you choose. The i7 8xx have the 'cheap' motherboards :D
Honestly I have a huge issue with the hard drives people are recommending. Samsung Spinpoint, Caviar Green, wtf? The guy has 1.5k, and the least you could do is invest an extra $20-50 for a larger, faster hard drive like a Seagate Barracuda, WD Blue/Black.
8GB of RAM is more than useless. Buy 2x2GB and save yourself the money because RAM is amazingly expensive now T_T
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On January 09 2010 01:00 FragKrag wrote:
Well it depends on the i7 you choose. The i7 8xx have the 'cheap' motherboards :D
Honestly I have a huge issue with the hard drives people are recommending. Samsung Spinpoint, Caviar Green, wtf? The guy has 1.5k, and the least you could do is invest an extra $20-50 for a larger, faster hard drive like a Seagate Barracuda, WD Blue/Black.
8GB of RAM is more than useless. Buy 2x2GB and save yourself the money because RAM is amazingly expensive now T_T
Haha I just read about the i7 8xx this and I was about to edit that in, thanks for clarifying. Last time I really looked into this stuff, the 8xx models didn't exist ^_^
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On January 09 2010 00:03 Pakje wrote:Show nested quote +- hd is ok, altho with that budget I'd go with an SSD (some Intel PostVille) for the system and a big WD Caviar Greens for storage
currently ssd's are too expensive for me, might change soon as they are releasing allot at CES Show nested quote +
- gfx: too much imho (certainly unnecessary for SC2), I'd go with a 5770, but I dunno what else you play. but otherwise a good choice
well he said bioshock, but honestly what isn't too much for sc2
meh, I have no idea what the gfx requirements of bioshock are
I just know that if my budget were 1.5k I'd rather buy SSD + HD5770 than spending the money on a HD5850  Always assuming that the 5770 suffices ofc
for non-overclockers the case fans should be sufficient
well, performance wise for sure, but I find most preinstalled case fans too loud
just a personal preference
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On January 08 2010 19:22 Pakje wrote:
The only thing I have to note about that is that I've tried fatal1ty headset before, and it was one of the worst I've ever tried. total crap.
This is my humble opinion of course. Personally I'd go for steelseries 5hv2 or speedlink medusa 5.1 or something for the headset.
I just thought I'd mention this to avoid dissapointments, as it's very easy to be dissapointed about items such as these.
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On January 09 2010 01:52 Ahzz wrote:The only thing I have to note about that is that I've tried fatal1ty headset before, and it was one of the worst I've ever tried. total crap. This is my humble opinion of course. Personally I'd go for steelseries 5hv2 or speedlink medusa 5.1 or something for the headset. I just thought I'd mention this to avoid dissapointments, as it's very easy to be dissapointed about items such as these.
np I already said that you can move the mouse, headset, screen a bit around. I just took them caus i saw some good reviews
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On January 09 2010 00:46 TheNearl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 22:48 LorD_AreS wrote:On January 08 2010 21:26 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Note that you can save on certain places/parts, without screwing the whole project.
Firstly, the memory. You could just get 4 gigs now, later if you need more it´s a lot cheaper. Getting 8 gigs right now is an overkill, don´t worry about installing the extra memory yourself as it´s probably the easiest thing to do compwise.
Nr. 2, assemble it yourself, the internet is full of instructions WITH PICTURES !, all parts have their own warranty ( memories can have a lifetime warranty even ) and so on.
Only the processor and RAM can be destroyed by static electricity if no precautions have been made.
And lastly: your old computer. If you are not going to use it/ sell it, you can always use some parts of it (and then maybe sell the rest or smth). Parts you can keep(unless you really need a replacement/upgrade...or it´s almost dead anyways) : Case, HD, Disk drives..
Old computers tend to get noisy but that´s mostly due to loose screws and old fans so just by some cleaning and fan replacing the case is as new.
I too think your processor seems a bit of an overkill at this point, I´ve always gone by the rule that the GPU should be the most expensive part of the computer.
And get a small SSD drive, what I´ve seen they really upgrade the experience with OS and games. Something like 64gigs should be enough, however it would be a good idea to wait about 6months for the prices to drop. It's all about creating a balance, a computer needs to be balanced with all it's components if you buy a cheaper motherboard then don't go with a i7 processor, you need to balance the components you want with that big CPU, so then you need a good mobo and great ram with good latency and you can't go cheap on hard drive or psu... it's a combination... so if you buy a medium processor then follow with medium stuff afterwords so that you computer is well balanced and will run well. In the end, the person with a normal PC but ad's a raptor 76Go will not be really using the raptor's real speed capacity since he's limited on the pc's information process. ex: processor... So don't go cheap on one thing and go all in somewhere else it's not going to be worth it in the end. They don't make "cheap" motherboards for the core i7, so no worries there anyhow Also the idea of a processor bottlenecking a hard drive makes me giggle a little bit I will also add that you should NEVER go cheap on a PSU. I mean really, it's like the heart of your computer! And last but not least, Core i7 uses triple channel memory, so your best option is probably getting 3GB (3x1GB) so you have 1GB for each each channel. If you are really ballsy then you could get 6gb, or 12, or 24 :O:O:O:O:O:O!!!!!).
only the 1366 core i7's use triple channel, the i7 860 uses the 1156 socket and uses dual channel ram
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On January 09 2010 00:46 TheNearl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2010 22:48 LorD_AreS wrote:On January 08 2010 21:26 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Note that you can save on certain places/parts, without screwing the whole project.
Firstly, the memory. You could just get 4 gigs now, later if you need more it´s a lot cheaper. Getting 8 gigs right now is an overkill, don´t worry about installing the extra memory yourself as it´s probably the easiest thing to do compwise.
Nr. 2, assemble it yourself, the internet is full of instructions WITH PICTURES !, all parts have their own warranty ( memories can have a lifetime warranty even ) and so on.
Only the processor and RAM can be destroyed by static electricity if no precautions have been made.
And lastly: your old computer. If you are not going to use it/ sell it, you can always use some parts of it (and then maybe sell the rest or smth). Parts you can keep(unless you really need a replacement/upgrade...or it´s almost dead anyways) : Case, HD, Disk drives..
Old computers tend to get noisy but that´s mostly due to loose screws and old fans so just by some cleaning and fan replacing the case is as new.
I too think your processor seems a bit of an overkill at this point, I´ve always gone by the rule that the GPU should be the most expensive part of the computer.
And get a small SSD drive, what I´ve seen they really upgrade the experience with OS and games. Something like 64gigs should be enough, however it would be a good idea to wait about 6months for the prices to drop. It's all about creating a balance, a computer needs to be balanced with all it's components if you buy a cheaper motherboard then don't go with a i7 processor, you need to balance the components you want with that big CPU, so then you need a good mobo and great ram with good latency and you can't go cheap on hard drive or psu... it's a combination... so if you buy a medium processor then follow with medium stuff afterwords so that you computer is well balanced and will run well. In the end, the person with a normal PC but ad's a raptor 76Go will not be really using the raptor's real speed capacity since he's limited on the pc's information process. ex: processor... So don't go cheap on one thing and go all in somewhere else it's not going to be worth it in the end. They don't make "cheap" motherboards for the core i7, so no worries there anyhow Also the idea of a processor bottlenecking a hard drive makes me giggle a little bit I will also add that you should NEVER go cheap on a PSU. I mean really, it's like the heart of your computer! And last but not least, Core i7 uses triple channel memory, so your best option is probably getting 3GB (3x1GB) so you have 1GB for each each channel. If you are really ballsy then you could get 6gb, or 12, or 24 :O:O:O:O:O:O!!!!!).
Yes exactly what I'm saying and yes I know most motherboard i7 are almost all good "almost" some brands are DO NOT TOUCH in my case. Memory always works better in channels so thats good and psu well it goes with what you have I mean don't tell the guy that has a standard graphic card and low processor to get a 800W psu it's just insane and won't spend the money correctly... But yes PSU is very important.
Why does the idea of processor bottlenecking a hard drive make you giggle you don't think it's true or you find it funny that people actually do that ! ?
You could always benchmark a raptor on a x2phenom (let's not go too high) and then benchmark it on a amd Athlon 4200+ and will see the difference your score (HDD only) will be higher for the access information.
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^ No one is talking about freaking 5 years old CPUs. nice theorycrafting there.
And you are really comparing sequential writes/read on a HD. For random accessing which your operating system will do alot, it is very very unlikely that you will bottleneck it.
People, stop recommending the Samsung F3. It is a great storage drive, its main advantage is sequential read/write (transferring).
Look, pick any CPU you want and grab a SSD or velociraptor.
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I cringe at the speak + headphone selection.
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there is absolutely no reason to be buying a gtx260 at this point in time, especially at that price. get a 4890 or 5770. that WD500gb black is a three platter drive. that means increased heat and access time. go for a WD640gb blue or seagate 7200.12 500gb.
there is also no reason to buy an i7 860 unless you need the slightly more aggressive turbo or power saving it provides. at that price point i dont think spending an extra $50 on a 1366 motherboard matters but it opens up more options.
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On January 08 2010 20:29 Carnac wrote:
the revamped ati reference design for the 5770 has a much quieter cooler (the one with the egg kind of shape) than the 1st design btw
Yeah I just got my 5770 a few weeks ago, and the new cooler is really nice. I idle at 40C and load at 65C with a nice overclock. Much, much quieter than the X1950XT it replaced. I run Dragon Age at 1680x1050 with full AA/AF, details, etc at around 40-60FPS. I'm pretty sure I'm actually CPU bottlenecked at this point, since I'm still on a 2.53ghz E7200.
A core i5 should be more than enough for gaming. You can always overclock too. As for RAM, I'm on 4GB right now, and I run a shitton of apps in the background (I have 80 processes open right now), so I push the envelope a bit when I play games. RAM needs will vary from person to person though, so that's up to you.
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Why are people recommending a 5770 at a 1.2k-1.3k budget
Get a 5850, and an i5 750.
I know a bunch of people are going to attack this statement, but if you plan on going i7 920, you may want to look into CyberPowerPC's line of customizable prebuilts. It's really hard to configure a workable i7 920 at under 1.3k (with OS, mouse, keyboard, wireless adapter, etc) and still fit in a 5850 without skimping on mobo or something, but somehow it is possible on CyberPowerPC to get a 1.2k i7 920. The only 'problem' would be the reliability of the 700W PSU, but it should be fine.
That said, don't buy gaming peripherals or monitors from CyberPower. Just the essentials like the adapter and stuff. For monitors, it's better to stalk newegg.com for when they have free shipping/discounts on LCDs.
edit: if you don't want to build your PC:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com
coupon code: Myspace for $30 off.
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Just set up what I think I'm gonna buy, what do you guys think? I'm gonna sleep on it and make the purchase tomorrow.
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FYI that I have that case and it's LOUD.
I would probably spend a little more on the monitor but it's your choice.
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not sure why you insist on 8 gb ram, various ppl including the r1ch the wizard have told you it's a waste :p
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yea minus the ram i think it looks fine
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On January 09 2010 20:56 Meta wrote:Just set up what I think I'm gonna buy, what do you guys think? I'm gonna sleep on it and make the purchase tomorrow.
get another case and a cpu cooler (mugen 2) assuming you want a silent pc.
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